Improve Fire Rune (since no one uses it).

Zsymon

Right now Fire Rune and either of its morphs, is a skill almost no one ever uses, not in PvP and not in PvE, mostly because it is slow and cumbersome. When you cast it, it needs like two seconds before it finally activates, at which time all enemies are long ago.

My suggestion is to allow the Rune to activate instantly. Meaning the moment the Rune hits the ground after you cast it, it activates and blows up/burns any nearby enemy. Visually it would look like throwing a grenade, which is cool. If no enemies are near, the Rune would ofcourse just sit on the ground until someone walks near.

That way you can use it offensively, if you practice your aiming, rather than cast it at your feet and hope someone charges into it, after which you really haven't gained much. I think this is an easy change, all you have to do is remove the activation timer.

Scyantific

So basically you want a mobile Impulse.

I use it, and it works well enough for what I want it to do. I use Scalding Rune as my opener before dropping a Liquid Lightning that way once I cast LL, the rune is primed and ready to go. Not everything should be SPAM SPAM SPAM you know. Sometimes it's good to think ahead.

If anything, I suggest increasing either the initial damage or the resulting DoT because it can sometimes be underwhelming.

Zsymon

Scyantific wrote: »

So basically you want a mobile Impulse.

I use it, and it works well enough for what I want it to do. I use Scalding Rune as my opener before dropping a Liquid Lightning that way once I cast LL, the rune is primed and ready to go. Not everything should be SPAM SPAM SPAM you know. Sometimes it's good to think ahead.

If anything, I suggest increasing either the initial damage or the resulting DoT because it can sometimes be underwhelming.

One morph is a DoT and the other is a stun, neither of those effects can be spammed, so I don't see your point. The initial damage is too low to justify spamming this spell, it would be nowhere near anything like a ranged Impulse.

My point was that especially in PvP, the skill is useless because of its slow activation timer. If there was no timer, you could aim the skill and actually hit people with it, and it already has a delay because it has to travel through the air before it hits, it's not like it's instant. Unlike Daedric Mines, Fire Rune is far too easily avoided the way it is now, it can't be used offensively in PvP, and defensively it is still too easy to avoid it.

Which is why no one uses it in PvP, and honestly in the past months of playing I have never seen anyone use it in PvE either. I have no idea why you would want to waste a skill slot to use Scalding Rune as an opener, it does such tiny damage. Why not use Volcanic Rune as an opener, at least that knocks down all enemies so you get some time before they come at you.

ItsMeToo

Zsymon wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

So basically you want a mobile Impulse.

I use it, and it works well enough for what I want it to do. I use Scalding Rune as my opener before dropping a Liquid Lightning that way once I cast LL, the rune is primed and ready to go. Not everything should be SPAM SPAM SPAM you know. Sometimes it's good to think ahead.

If anything, I suggest increasing either the initial damage or the resulting DoT because it can sometimes be underwhelming.

One morph is a DoT and the other is a stun, neither of those effects can be spammed, so I don't see your point. The initial damage is too low to justify spamming this spell, it would be nowhere near anything like a ranged Impulse.

My point was that especially in PvP, the skill is useless because of its slow activation timer. If there was no timer, you could aim the skill and actually hit people with it, and it already has a delay because it has to travel through the air before it hits, it's not like it's instant. Unlike Daedric Mines, Fire Rune is far too easily avoided the way it is now, it can't be used offensively in PvP, and defensively it is still too easy to avoid it.

Which is why no one uses it in PvP, and honestly in the past months of playing I have never seen anyone use it in PvE either. I have no idea why you would want to waste a skill slot to use Scalding Rune as an opener, it does such tiny damage. Why not use Volcanic Rune as an opener, at least that knocks down all enemies so you get some time before they come at you.

Wrong... I use it. Therefore, this statement is false. I've also seen others use it in PvP.

Joy_Division

I never understood why people defend crappy abilities.

Dracane

Joy_Division wrote: »

I never understood why people defend crappy abilities.

Fire rune is pretty underwhelming and the DoT simply useless.
If someone uses it, then it's like using lightning splash back in 1.5: Nothing but a weak fun build.

I would like to see the DoT of scalding rune to be increased.

olsborg

The initial dmg is too low, and the dmg is also blockable, also the cc from it is blockable. Dmg needs a buff for sure.

Wreuntzylla

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

Dracane

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

Not everyone is a Sorcerer.....

And everything you've just mentioned is blockable, making it useless.

Mojmir

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

for sorc thats quite a rotation of aoes, i always considered fire rune to be the AOE for NB's for leveling. worked for me anyways.

Maulkin

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

....and also the OP is talking about Fire Rune, not Volcanic rune.

Volcanic Rune has low dmg but at least it has a nice CC. Fire Rune is mediocre damage, long build up to the damage and no CC. Not sure why anyone would use it ever.

Mojmir

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

....and also the OP is talking about Fire Rune, not Volcanic rune.

Volcanic Rune has low dmg but at least it has a nice CC. Fire Rune is mediocre damage, long build up to the damage and no CC. Not sure why anyone would use it ever.

i remember at one time (this was like 6-7months ago) someone telling me it was good for trials and DSA. even with time passing, i still have yet to also see its usefulness.

wrathofrraath

My scalding runes dot has a tooltip that exactly equal to fire ring, the only difference is that destro staff skills have 10% more spell pen therefore fire ring although initial hit is 1k less than my rune tooltip is better because of the spell pen and cast time. Spell pen is going to be very important next patch.

Right now for my build I use it as an opener, after I cast it I don't use it but it stays on my bar to have my magicka equal on both bars.

Treat it like a rune have your enemy walk on to it dont throw it at them and while that happens slam them with either a full heavy or use the might of the guild that you just procd to strengthen a nice burst spell.

Edit: scalding rune 4 lyfe

Maulkin

Mojmir wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

....and also the OP is talking about Fire Rune, not Volcanic rune.

Volcanic Rune has low dmg but at least it has a nice CC. Fire Rune is mediocre damage, long build up to the damage and no CC. Not sure why anyone would use it ever.

i remember at one time (this was like 6-7months ago) someone telling me it was good for trials and DSA. even with time passing, i still have yet to also see its usefulness.

It was a core DPS skill for fire damage DKs because back then DoT damage was higher and it could stack with itself. By which I mean that if you Fire Rune'd twice there would be 2 dots ticking on your target. So you could do insane damage just keeping up Engulfing Flames, Unstable Flame and Fire Rune.

Suru

Have some of the highest scores in vDSA and I use it on every portal. 8)

Wreuntzylla

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

....and also the OP is talking about Fire Rune, not Volcanic rune.

Volcanic Rune has low dmg but at least it has a nice CC. Fire Rune is mediocre damage, long build up to the damage and no CC. Not sure why anyone would use it ever.

Nobody would ever use it because they morph the ability. You realize fire rune is the base ability, right?

ItsMeToo

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

....and also the OP is talking about Fire Rune, not Volcanic rune.

Volcanic Rune has low dmg but at least it has a nice CC. Fire Rune is mediocre damage, long build up to the damage and no CC. Not sure why anyone would use it ever.

Nobody would ever use it because they morph the ability. You realize fire rune is the base ability, right?

And as the base ability they have to use it to get to the level to morph it. So your statement is false.

Kilandros

People actually use it all the time in PvP for tower farms, breach control, etc. Just because people don't use it in every and all situations doesn't mean it doesn't have its uses.

OtarTheMad

I think Fire Rune is one of those abilities that often gets over looked. It is a real good way, when combined with other CC's (Daedric Minefield, Caltrops, Encase, Talons etc), to slow down zergs when they charge into a keeps breach... just that only a handful of people use it anymore for some reason.

Maulkin

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Daedric mines, curse, volcanic rune in the mines, a frag timed to hit after runes is triggered and maybe a shooting star, all hitting within the space of a second. If they somehow survive, laugh as the knockback activates more mines.

Why people get hung up on magnitudes and linear uses of abilities is beyond me.

....and also the OP is talking about Fire Rune, not Volcanic rune.

Volcanic Rune has low dmg but at least it has a nice CC. Fire Rune is mediocre damage, long build up to the damage and no CC. Not sure why anyone would use it ever.

Nobody would ever use it because they morph the ability. You realize fire rune is the base ability, right?

Derp. I confused it with Scalding Rune, my bad.

Taleof2Cities

As others have mentioned, I use volcanic rune as a bread 'n butter CC skill ... knowing already it's not meant for high damage output. It works for me really good in both PvE and PvP. The best moments are when the lead dogs of a zerg streak or critical rush right into it. It has helped break down a zergs momentum on more than one occasion.

If you learn to use it effectively, with CC in mind only, it's a nice skill. Increasing the damage can only make it better.

Joy_Division

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I think Fire Rune is one of those abilities that often gets over looked. It is a real good way, when combined with other CC's (Daedric Minefield, Caltrops, Encase, Talons etc), to slow down zergs when they charge into a keeps breach... just that only a handful of people use it anymore for some reason.

Not a big mystery. It's not like the majority of players in Cyrodiil are nubs...

hedna123b14_ESO

Suru wrote: »

Have some of the highest scores in vDSA and I use it on every portal. 8)

Same here, I actually think it's a must if you want top vDSA scores.

Scyantific

Hard to believe people don't want to learn to actually use planning and skill with their setups. They just want to hit hard and disappear.

I've always thought of Mages' Guild skills as being more of a Utility toolset instead of straight up damage.