Chuck Norris PVP -- Battle at ROE on 8/24

CN_Daniel

Creating 10min of lag > living through 10 hours of it because we didn't show them the error of their ways.

That's sound logic.

And please remember my team left all the other DC before anyone else (basically) just to avoid the lag.

Winnamine

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild loses.

Takllin

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Creating 10min of lag > living through 10 hours of it because we didn't show them the error of their ways.

That's sound logic.

And please remember my team left all the other DC before anyone else (basically) just to avoid the lag.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html

LOL. So sound logic = insanity, I see. It's hilarious that you think you show them the error in their ways when they keep doing it over and over and over again, and you have the same reaction over and over and over again...

I've yet to see 10 hours of constant lag where people can't use abilities, seige or enter doors, from anyone that spams meteor, or at all so I'm curious where you've gotten that number from. Thin air?

You do realize you can wipe them without spamming meteors, thereby lagging out the servers right? I mean if you can't...

Huckdabuck

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Creating 10min of lag > living through 10 hours of it because we didn't show them the error of their ways.

That's sound logic.

And please remember my team left all the other DC before anyone else (basically) just to avoid the lag.

You're trying to show the AD/EP the error of their ways with meteor spam/lag while the rest of us are trying to show you the error of your ways in dealing with it. It would appear that showing people the error of their ways just doesn't work. Hopefully you'll be able to understand this error of your ways and adjust (since you've missed everything else noted here)......you only need 3 people on a ram in order to do the max damage against a door....6 people is for the quicker movement speed.

Kobaal

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild loses.

We have a lot of respect for the top guilds out there. You all know who you are. There are times when we wipe and I can hear Daniel saying "That was a really good job by them".

That being said.

I just think its super hypocritical of people to come on here and blame Daniel for lag and tell him that he should "know better" and "take the high road" when their own guilds do the same thing. This is a fact. No amount of denial will change the fact because we have all seen this first hand. Most of us have been playing this game long enough to know whats really going on. We have all heard the same complaints in our TS rooms. We all have people in our guilds that don't know any better and want to blame the other side for "lag switches" and creating lag on purpose. It's just silly in my opinion. I get tired of hearing it from my own guildies as well. We even had a drikning game at one point so everytime someone claimes the other team was using lag or exploits we would have to take a shot. lol good times.

BigTone

Slaxis

All of us who run groups are equally to blame for the lag. Yes some of us leave the keep when we know the odds are stack against us to flip it and some of us don't out of frustration. Game allows you to run in large groups so be it. My only issue with Ep, Dc and Ad guilds/groups are taking a keep with 60+ people and there no way of defending it. Hey I might have been part of that problem befor running my guild/groups. But I can tell you know we avoid it all cost unless its ours or another factions last emp keep. And no one in my groups run meteors.

Huckdabuck

BigTone wrote: »

Poxheart

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Good lord. CN vs TKO

Your team is also one of the best in the game. But the fights that preceded Roe included us wiping your group twice...

I didn't include them out of respect ma'am.

That was us at Nikel right before :-)

When was this? Deci hasn't had a group in a few days now.
Regardless, you've gotten us now and then, I don't deny it, it happens
OTOH, at the risk of sounding exactly like WRX, gvg us bro?

as soon as tea pot can 1v1 tele :-)

My money is on Decibel and tea pot in both cases.

Takllin

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild and everyone else loses.

Well said, just added a tid bit in at the end.

Kobaal wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild loses.

We have a lot of respect for the top guilds out there. You all know who you are. There are times when we wipe and I can hear Daniel saying "That was a really good job by them".

That being said.

I just think its super hypocritical of people to come on here and blame Daniel for lag and tell him that he should "know better" and "take the high road" when their own guilds do the same thing. This is a fact. No amount of denial will change the fact because we have all seen this first hand. Most of us have been playing this game long enough to know whats really going on. We have all heard the same complaints in our TS rooms. We all have people in our guilds that don't know any better and want to blame the other side for "lag switches" and creating lag on purpose. It's just silly in my opinion. I get tired of hearing it from my own guildies as well. We even had a drikning game at one point so everytime someone claimes the other team was using lag or exploits we would have to take a shot. lol good times.

So you are saying VE and Decibel spam meteor on purpose to cause lag? I see.

They don't, sorry to burst your bubble.

Kobaal

Takllin wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild and everyone else loses.

Well said, just added a tid bit in at the end.

Kobaal wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild loses.

We have a lot of respect for the top guilds out there. You all know who you are. There are times when we wipe and I can hear Daniel saying "That was a really good job by them".

That being said.

I just think its super hypocritical of people to come on here and blame Daniel for lag and tell him that he should "know better" and "take the high road" when their own guilds do the same thing. This is a fact. No amount of denial will change the fact because we have all seen this first hand. Most of us have been playing this game long enough to know whats really going on. We have all heard the same complaints in our TS rooms. We all have people in our guilds that don't know any better and want to blame the other side for "lag switches" and creating lag on purpose. It's just silly in my opinion. I get tired of hearing it from my own guildies as well. We even had a drikning game at one point so everytime someone claimes the other team was using lag or exploits we would have to take a shot. lol good times.

So you are saying VE and Decibel spam meteor on purpose to cause lag? I see.

They don't, sorry to burst your bubble.

We all do man. Didnt you know? We all hit our lag switches and eat our hot dog pizza's

Winnamine

Kobaal wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild and everyone else loses.

Well said, just added a tid bit in at the end.

Kobaal wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild loses.

We have a lot of respect for the top guilds out there. You all know who you are. There are times when we wipe and I can hear Daniel saying "That was a really good job by them".

That being said.

I just think its super hypocritical of people to come on here and blame Daniel for lag and tell him that he should "know better" and "take the high road" when their own guilds do the same thing. This is a fact. No amount of denial will change the fact because we have all seen this first hand. Most of us have been playing this game long enough to know whats really going on. We have all heard the same complaints in our TS rooms. We all have people in our guilds that don't know any better and want to blame the other side for "lag switches" and creating lag on purpose. It's just silly in my opinion. I get tired of hearing it from my own guildies as well. We even had a drikning game at one point so everytime someone claimes the other team was using lag or exploits we would have to take a shot. lol good times.

So you are saying VE and Decibel spam meteor on purpose to cause lag? I see.

They don't, sorry to burst your bubble.

We all do man. Didnt you know? We all hit our lag switches and eat our hot dog pizza's

Only pugs and bad players believe in "lag switches."

Certain skills we know cause more lag than others (meteor), and there are ways to use the lag to your advantage (lag repairing the keep), but a "lag switch"? Let's just not

Draxys

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild and everyone else loses.

Well said, just added a tid bit in at the end.

Kobaal wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild loses.

We have a lot of respect for the top guilds out there. You all know who you are. There are times when we wipe and I can hear Daniel saying "That was a really good job by them".

That being said.

I just think its super hypocritical of people to come on here and blame Daniel for lag and tell him that he should "know better" and "take the high road" when their own guilds do the same thing. This is a fact. No amount of denial will change the fact because we have all seen this first hand. Most of us have been playing this game long enough to know whats really going on. We have all heard the same complaints in our TS rooms. We all have people in our guilds that don't know any better and want to blame the other side for "lag switches" and creating lag on purpose. It's just silly in my opinion. I get tired of hearing it from my own guildies as well. We even had a drikning game at one point so everytime someone claimes the other team was using lag or exploits we would have to take a shot. lol good times.

So you are saying VE and Decibel spam meteor on purpose to cause lag? I see.

They don't, sorry to burst your bubble.

We all do man. Didnt you know? We all hit our lag switches and eat our hot dog pizza's

Only pugs and bad players believe in "lag switches."

Certain skills we know cause more lag than others (meteor), and there are ways to use the lag to your advantage (lag repairing the keep), but a "lag switch"? Let's just not

Pretty sure that was sarcasm Winnie, are you drinking already?

Winnamine

Draxys wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild and everyone else loses.

Well said, just added a tid bit in at the end.

Kobaal wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild loses.

We have a lot of respect for the top guilds out there. You all know who you are. There are times when we wipe and I can hear Daniel saying "That was a really good job by them".

That being said.

I just think its super hypocritical of people to come on here and blame Daniel for lag and tell him that he should "know better" and "take the high road" when their own guilds do the same thing. This is a fact. No amount of denial will change the fact because we have all seen this first hand. Most of us have been playing this game long enough to know whats really going on. We have all heard the same complaints in our TS rooms. We all have people in our guilds that don't know any better and want to blame the other side for "lag switches" and creating lag on purpose. It's just silly in my opinion. I get tired of hearing it from my own guildies as well. We even had a drikning game at one point so everytime someone claimes the other team was using lag or exploits we would have to take a shot. lol good times.

So you are saying VE and Decibel spam meteor on purpose to cause lag? I see.

They don't, sorry to burst your bubble.

We all do man. Didnt you know? We all hit our lag switches and eat our hot dog pizza's

Only pugs and bad players believe in "lag switches."

Certain skills we know cause more lag than others (meteor), and there are ways to use the lag to your advantage (lag repairing the keep), but a "lag switch"? Let's just not

Pretty sure that was sarcasm Winnie, are you drinking already?

Yeah, I get he's being sarcastic there, but this is what I was referring to:
"We all have people in our guilds that don't know any better and want to blame the other side for "lag switches" and creating lag on purpose. It's just silly in my opinion. I get tired of hearing it from my own guildies as well. We even had a drikning game at one point so everytime someone claimes the other team was using lag or exploits we would have to take a shot. lol good times."
If you have people in your guild who believe in "lag switches"....get rid of them.

TheBull

Zergers crack me up.

Minno

Kobaal wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Daniel... please. I said pull off the flags, not switch between each flag. That means get out of the inside of the keep.

I'm also not talking about you specifically lagging out the server in this video..because like you said you didn't use meteor in this video....I'm talking about when you decide to meteor spam other people like what Draxys posted. You should not be spamming meteor, you know it causes lag. Who cares if people use it on you, there isn't a single good guild in the game that does back and spams meteor back. Take the *** high road and wipe them without lagging the server and causing crap performance for everyone else...that's what the rest of the good guilds do...

Yeah Daniel I main a Templar, and that AOE heal doesn't put a big green ring on the ground with little sparkles...it's being used in your video on your guys.

Maybe if you took a second to actually comprehend things you wouldn't have been so quick to act like you've one upped me and failed...

I was struggling to understand your rage until I saw you have 2 AD toons. Silly banana.

@NPK Daniel

He expects you to control every member of your team as well as all the pugs around you. Apparently thats what all the "Good" guilds do bro. And if the other team is spamming meteor on you lagging the server to hell so that nothing works, he expects you to sit there and wipe or just walk away and give up the last emp keep. Becuase thats what all the "Good" guilds do man. Didn't you know?

To be fair, a certain amount of control over your team is in the job description of GMs and raid leaders.
No one can control pugs, we all know and accept that pugs do pug things.
But good guilds shouldn't. Basically, you either know better and you care enough about healthy pvp to avoid doing things that ruin it (like spamming meteor, or stacking raids, or gate camping, for example)....or you're in it for the instant gratification of a win, and you haven't realized yet that the more you "win" with such tactics, the more your guild loses.

We have a lot of respect for the top guilds out there. You all know who you are. There are times when we wipe and I can hear Daniel saying "That was a really good job by them".

That being said.

I just think its super hypocritical of people to come on here and blame Daniel for lag and tell him that he should "know better" and "take the high road" when their own guilds do the same thing. This is a fact. No amount of denial will change the fact because we have all seen this first hand. Most of us have been playing this game long enough to know whats really going on. We have all heard the same complaints in our TS rooms. We all have people in our guilds that don't know any better and want to blame the other side for "lag switches" and creating lag on purpose. It's just silly in my opinion. I get tired of hearing it from my own guildies as well. We even had a drikning game at one point so everytime someone claimes the other team was using lag or exploits we would have to take a shot. lol good times.

Daniel is the first person to say good job when they face against a superior team. And superior fights where CN makes a mistake tactically. He's also adamant about what skills are better versus others in each class. Since a majority of CN are templars, you'll only see novas.

Besides the lag syems from ZOS misallocating resources to recode the way the server and user codes send info back and forth. Deal with it. Untill they recode the game the lag stays unless all factions stay at least 2 bars of pop in each camp.

Grampa_Smurf

@Takllin

Well after reading all you comments all I can say is well done 10/10.....That is one of the best trolling I have seen in ages.

Minno

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

@Takllin

Well after reading all you comments all I can say is well done 10/10.....That is on of the best trolling I have seen in ages.

Ice staff of trolling. Sheogoraths pride.

Ghostbane

Last PTS patch took forever to download.

#blameDaniel

Xiphyla

999+ in haderus and 999+ in azura during most of the NA primetime. GG ?

Takllin

Keep your head in the sand and the white knight act up, it suits you all well.

@Winnamine if they can't show their own members the error in their ways about lag switches I can't possibly see how they could show anyone else the errors in their ways. Agreed on getting rid of them.

@Minno we all deal with the lag on a nightly basis. What we shouldn't have to deal with, because people should know better, is meteor spam to purposefully lag out the server in retaliation for having it done to them. It's assinine. People shouldn't spam it at all.

Zheg

To clarify some things, one raid (no more than 24) can accomplish everything you need to in Cyrodiil. So long as lag cooperates, you can take on far more than 24 if you're mitigating dmg, doing dmg, and maneuvering correctly. If you stack more than 24, you increase the chances of there being lag, in which case you're actually diminishing your chances for a win because your ability to move/mitigate dmg/do dmg is now delayed or doesn't work correctly. No one can help pug aggro, it happens to most guilds. If a guild has more members than there are spots for the active raid, put them on a waiting list, put them in another campaign, or have them scout/prep keeps/etc. far away from the main raid to still be useful and involved.

ZOS has been anything but transparent when it comes to the lag in pvp, but the majority of players have come to the conclusion that skills like meteor (and a few others) exacerbate a laggy fight to a state of just being unplayable. There is absolutely no need for meteor to be on anyone's bar, not even for the mage guild passives. If a guild wants to earn the respect of pvpers, slotting meteor on members' bars, and especially trying to defend the use of meteor does anything but gain respect. For me, if I see someone using meteor in the current state of cyrodiil I instantly add them to my mental black list as a troll or a bad player. I'm not so self-deluded to think that should mean much of anything to anyone, but I can say that everyone I pvp with and talk to in pvp about the issue feels the same, regardless of alliance. Just because a guild or two of yellows does everything counter to what needs to be done to prevent lag does not mean blue or red guilds should do the same in retaliation or to prove some kind of bogus point. In fact, if all of blue and red were able to stop doing things like using meteor and stacking 60+, it would put that much more pressure on the 1 or 2 yellow guilds doing it, and it would allow for the better yellow guilds to put more pressure on them to change.

I can't stop a random pug from using meteor, though I'd certainly tell them to not do so because of its effects on lag. I also can't stop a guild from using meteor, but I can tell you with certainty that I will assume the guild and its raid leads are jokes because of it in spite of all of the other accomplishments of that guild, which is quite sad. That one decision to use meteor negates all of the other skill and achievements of a guild in my eyes, and I think it's safe to say there are a large number of people on all sides that feel the same way. Whether I'm solo, in a small group, or in a raid, if I were to spam that skill in a fight and be caught I know it's an instant guild kick. If I were to even use that skill I know it would be an instant loss of respect from the people I pvp with. I fail to see why other guilds can't establish a similar environment, unless the leadership wants to invite lag and cares nothing for being respected by other pvpers.

Daniel, you seem to be pretty adamant that using meteor is justified because a yellow guild is doing it. CN is your guild, so do what you want with it and play the way you want with it, but I'd encourage you to take a step back and reevaluate what you're really after. I was a blue puggle for a very long time until I joined VE and have seen the ebb and flow of all blue pvp guilds. When NPK broke apart, I had hoped that the better players leaving to join CN would abandon the insanity and become the rallying point for blue. While (I think) you've done a better job about not stacking as many players as you used to, when you and your members fight yellow on the ash mine flag between 4-8pm EST on azura's (yes, it's like clockwork) and blue meteors are launched from our side, as much as we'd like to, it's impossible for many blue to respect you, and impossible for you to be a rallying point for the alliance. Again, play the way you want, but if being taken seriously and being respected is of any concern to you, are you really accomplishing what you're hoping to accomplish with CN? I'm only one person and you shouldn't give a flying you know what about what I think, but there seems to be a large number of people in your own alliance and in red/yellow that have strong negative feelings towards CN simply because of the use of one skill that you don't need to win fights. Is the use of an unnecessary skill really worth this much disdain?

Kupoking

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Good lord. CN vs TKO

A real heavyweight fight. Note: that's not a compliment. Welterweight and bantamweight fights are much better!

Except when they are crying in zone for the heavyweight back up because they cant handle it themselves.

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

I would post my own lagshyte video of this event but I might get banned for showing all the double mundus users in chuck norris.

lol someone got out on the wrong side of bed today.

No Im always a ***.

Grampa_Smurf

Takllin wrote: »

Keep your head in the sand and the white knight act up, it suits you all well.

@Winnamine if they can't show their own members the error in their ways about lag switches I can't possibly see how they could show anyone else the errors in their ways. Agreed on getting rid of them.

@Minno we all deal with the lag on a nightly basis. What we shouldn't have to deal with, because people should know better, is meteor spam to purposefully lag out the server in retaliation for having it done to them. It's assinine. People shouldn't spam it at all.

Huckdabuck

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Keep your head in the sand and the white knight act up, it suits you all well.

@Winnamine if they can't show their own members the error in their ways about lag switches I can't possibly see how they could show anyone else the errors in their ways. Agreed on getting rid of them.

@Minno we all deal with the lag on a nightly basis. What we shouldn't have to deal with, because people should know better, is meteor spam to purposefully lag out the server in retaliation for having it done to them. It's assinine. People shouldn't spam it at all.

Don't be a derp! No one likes a derp. Except for other derps and in that case you can be king of the derps.

Jules

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Keep your head in the sand and the white knight act up, it suits you all well.

@Winnamine if they can't show their own members the error in their ways about lag switches I can't possibly see how they could show anyone else the errors in their ways. Agreed on getting rid of them.

@Minno we all deal with the lag on a nightly basis. What we shouldn't have to deal with, because people should know better, is meteor spam to purposefully lag out the server in retaliation for having it done to them. It's assinine. People shouldn't spam it at all.

Those trolls are mad cute. Also, Jasenn is right about everything forever for he praises the holy Brady with his love.

WRX

Zheg wrote: »

To clarify some things, one raid (no more than 24) can accomplish everything you need to in Cyrodiil. So long as lag cooperates, you can take on far more than 24 if you're mitigating dmg, doing dmg, and maneuvering correctly. If you stack more than 24, you increase the chances of there being lag, in which case you're actually diminishing your chances for a win because your ability to move/mitigate dmg/do dmg is now delayed or doesn't work correctly. No one can help pug aggro, it happens to most guilds. If a guild has more members than there are spots for the active raid, put them on a waiting list, put them in another campaign, or have them scout/prep keeps/etc. far away from the main raid to still be useful and involved.

ZOS has been anything but transparent when it comes to the lag in pvp, but the majority of players have come to the conclusion that skills like meteor (and a few others) exacerbate a laggy fight to a state of just being unplayable. There is absolutely no need for meteor to be on anyone's bar, not even for the mage guild passives. If a guild wants to earn the respect of pvpers, slotting meteor on members' bars, and especially trying to defend the use of meteor does anything but gain respect. For me, if I see someone using meteor in the current state of cyrodiil I instantly add them to my mental black list as a troll or a bad player. I'm not so self-deluded to think that should mean much of anything to anyone, but I can say that everyone I pvp with and talk to in pvp about the issue feels the same, regardless of alliance. Just because a guild or two of yellows does everything counter to what needs to be done to prevent lag does not mean blue or red guilds should do the same in retaliation or to prove some kind of bogus point. In fact, if all of blue and red were able to stop doing things like using meteor and stacking 60+, it would put that much more pressure on the 1 or 2 yellow guilds doing it, and it would allow for the better yellow guilds to put more pressure on them to change.

I can't stop a random pug from using meteor, though I'd certainly tell them to not do so because of its effects on lag. I also can't stop a guild from using meteor, but I can tell you with certainty that I will assume the guild and its raid leads are jokes because of it in spite of all of the other accomplishments of that guild, which is quite sad. That one decision to use meteor negates all of the other skill and achievements of a guild in my eyes, and I think it's safe to say there are a large number of people on all sides that feel the same way. Whether I'm solo, in a small group, or in a raid, if I were to spam that skill in a fight and be caught I know it's an instant guild kick. If I were to even use that skill I know it would be an instant loss of respect from the people I pvp with. I fail to see why other guilds can't establish a similar environment, unless the leadership wants to invite lag and cares nothing for being respected by other pvpers.

Daniel, you seem to be pretty adamant that using meteor is justified because a yellow guild is doing it. CN is your guild, so do what you want with it and play the way you want with it, but I'd encourage you to take a step back and reevaluate what you're really after. I was a blue puggle for a very long time until I joined VE and have seen the ebb and flow of all blue pvp guilds. When NPK broke apart, I had hoped that the better players leaving to join CN would abandon the insanity and become the rallying point for blue. While (I think) you've done a better job about not stacking as many players as you used to, when you and your members fight yellow on the ash mine flag between 4-8pm EST on azura's (yes, it's like clockwork) and blue meteors are launched from our side, as much as we'd like to, it's impossible for many blue to respect you, and impossible for you to be a rallying point for the alliance. Again, play the way you want, but if being taken seriously and being respected is of any concern to you, are you really accomplishing what you're hoping to accomplish with CN? I'm only one person and you shouldn't give a flying you know what about what I think, but there seems to be a large number of people in your own alliance and in red/yellow that have strong negative feelings towards CN simply because of the use of one skill that you don't need to win fights. Is the use of an unnecessary skill really worth this much disdain?

For this first paragraph, why can this logic not be applied to smaller groups? 12 or 16 for example. Saying "well, the max group is 24, and ZoS clearly intended that" is extremely flawed logic. With the same logic, if Zos said groups could be 48 at launch then the same groups would defend running nearly FIFTY players.

And running a group for 24+ always means latency "won't cooperate". Spam meteor, or dbreaker, or whatever skill/ulti you want, the premise is the same. We all understand the game can not handle what it advertised at this time. Players can deflect, but ignorance isn't much of an excuse.

Zheg

WRX wrote: »

For this first paragraph, why can this logic not be applied to smaller groups? 12 or 16 for example. Saying "well, the max group is 24, and ZoS clearly intended that" is extremely flawed logic. With the same logic, if Zos said groups could be 48 at launch then the same groups would defend running nearly FIFTY players.

And running a group for 24+ always means latency "won't cooperate". Spam meteor, or dbreaker, or whatever skill/ulti you want, the premise is the same. We all understand the game can not handle what it advertised at this time. Players can deflect, but ignorance isn't much of an excuse.

You can certainly run smaller than 24. While the number 24 may indeed be an arbitrary pick from ZOS, it's the built-in maximum for group size. You can have 40 people all clumped together sometimes fighting another group and the lag is fine, my point was that the more people you add the higher the probability the lag gets an invite to a party. If you want to say 16 or 20 or whatever is the sweet spot, go for it, but I find it's easier to use the maximum group size built into the game as an upper threshold since it's pretty obvious when you go past that. And if you start insisting the max group size for lag should be 16, someone else will say 12, someone else will say 19, and then there's just a pointless back and forth. It's far easier to just say 24 and be done with it since everyone is already familiar with that number.

On a side note, sure, there is a potential for the game to have allowed you to run nearly 50 players, but I would suggest that it would be quite difficult for a raid lead to effectively manage that many in the middle of a fight, and you'd have few if any players even capable of making that happen. It'd also be hard to fit that many health bars onto the screen. It wouldn't be impossible for someone to effectively lead that many, but across the alliances (trying not to be too presumptuous) I'd consider the most dangerous raid leads to be you, bulb, and zavus, and if I could imagine all three of you having difficulty, I'd say the possibility of finding people to herd that many cats is pretty high.

24 could be a totally random number that was picked for us, but it does seem to work out well for lag so long as the server vulnerabilities are not intentionally exploited by players and skill use.

Leovolao

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Good lord. CN vs TKO

Your team is also one of the best in the game. But the fights that preceded Roe included us wiping your group twice...

I didn't include them out of respect ma'am.

That was us at Nikel right before :-)

When was this? Deci hasn't had a group in a few days now.
Regardless, you've gotten us now and then, I don't deny it, it happens
OTOH, at the risk of sounding exactly like WRX, gvg us bro?

as soon as tea pot can 1v1 tele :-)

I'm so glad you know your limitations and didn´t volunteer to fight me yourself.

I asume by tele you mean that teleporter or w/e sorc? I believe the only time he has killed me was a couple weeks (if not months) ago, I'm flattered that one person killing me is such a big deal for you guys that you are still bringing it up.

WRX

Leovolao wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Good lord. CN vs TKO

Your team is also one of the best in the game. But the fights that preceded Roe included us wiping your group twice...

I didn't include them out of respect ma'am.

That was us at Nikel right before :-)

When was this? Deci hasn't had a group in a few days now.
Regardless, you've gotten us now and then, I don't deny it, it happens
OTOH, at the risk of sounding exactly like WRX, gvg us bro?

as soon as tea pot can 1v1 tele :-)

I'm so glad you know your limitations and didn´t volunteer to fight me yourself.

I asume by tele you mean that teleporter or w/e sorc? I believe the only time he has killed me was a couple weeks (if not months) ago, I'm flattered that one person killing me is such a big deal for you guys that you are still bringing it up.

Theyd have to 1v1 me first before they get a shot at you.