Please Reconsider - Templar Rune Focus

Imdrefan

Please reconsider the "fix" to the templar ability Rune Focus. Right now on live, the armor/spell resist, and magicka from channeled focus will stay with you after casting the ability until the ability ends. In my opinion, this is needed because Templars will be the only class without a mobile armor/spell resist buff. This is a "fix" because it's not working as intended, but I would like you to reconsider making that change. I understand that the buff will remain for 8 seconds after leaving the rune, but I don't think this is enough. Templars suffer from the worst mobility in the game and I feel like this adds to their current disadvantage.

Thank you for your consideration.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Soris

words into the void

david.haypreub18_ESO

Imagine if they could just make a 'bug' into a 'feature' in a way that didn't hurt Templars!

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Imagine a patch without templar nerfs

Thalmor-Nordmaster

I play a Nerfplar ∞ I understand that the nerfs are the new challenge and will rise to meet them ♪♪

I like channeled it has the floaty rings I use TC to port from enemy to enemy like i did with my Conqueror in AOC. Thats my mobility

Joy_Division

Did you just ask ZoS to reconsider a Templar nerf?

It's like asking Palpatine to reconsider his turn to the dark side.

Halfwitte

Joy_Division wrote: »

Did you just ask ZoS to reconsider a Templar nerf?

It's like asking Palpatine to reconsider his turn to the dark side.

Now that's funny.

Nerf Zenimax's automated response system and their ability to remain silent on game breaking issues. Why is it the really nasty issues are always near and dear to their hearts for no explicable reason?

Thalmor-Nordmaster

The grammar does lead one to reach the conclusion that the OP is asking for a Nerf.

Hiero_Glyph

It's because Channeled Focus stacks with all the passive regen bonuses they have. [/sarcasm]

Akinos

Imdrefan wrote: »

Please reconsider the "fix" to the templar ability Rune Focus. Right now on live, the armor/spell resist, and magicka from channeled focus will stay with you after casting the ability until the ability ends, but the focused healing passive does not apply unless you are in the focus. In my opinion, this is needed because Templars will be the only class without a mobile armor/spell resist buff. This is a "fix" because it's not working as intended, but I would like you to reconsider making that change. I understand that the buff will remain for 8 seconds after leaving the rune, but I don't think this is enough. Templars suffer from the worst mobility in the game and I feel like this adds to their current disadvantage.

Thank you for your consideration.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to please calm down, you are asking for way to much!








All jokes aside, I am totally down with channeled focusing staying with you for the full duration

Imdrefan

Akinos wrote: »

Imdrefan wrote: »

Please reconsider the "fix" to the templar ability Rune Focus. Right now on live, the armor/spell resist, and magicka from channeled focus will stay with you after casting the ability until the ability ends, but the focused healing passive does not apply unless you are in the focus. In my opinion, this is needed because Templars will be the only class without a mobile armor/spell resist buff. This is a "fix" because it's not working as intended, but I would like you to reconsider making that change. I understand that the buff will remain for 8 seconds after leaving the rune, but I don't think this is enough. Templars suffer from the worst mobility in the game and I feel like this adds to their current disadvantage.

Thank you for your consideration.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_GinaBruno

Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to please calm down, you are asking for way to much!








All jokes aside, I am totally down with channeled focusing staying with you for the full duration

I don't think it's too much to ask, and if you don't ask you don't get

AfkNinja

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

It's because Channeled Focus stacks with all the passive regen bonuses they have. [/sarcasm]

Soooo sad, but sooo true. ZOS: "Oh! You want resources? Be a Vampire or Werewolf!"

Dyride

Yeah, the way Channeled focus works now is the only way I can purify or Radiant ward more than 2-3 times on my Stamplar.

Someone watched a Ebonheart Templar pvp video and realized this allows you to regen magicka while in Mistform and said NOPE!.

Though that technique is nowhere near overpowered and only allows a slight extension of time spent in Mistform if you are really trying.

I feel like they are carving everything good out of the classes and making everyone into cookie cutter FOTM builds.

Imdrefan

I don't think having the buffs stay with you is overpowered, so I don't understand the reason for the "fix".

I would love to know what the reasoning is behind making the buff work only in a VERY small radius rune. This isn't practical in PvE or PvP.

Zsymon

There is no reason for this skill to be immobile at all, just change it into Aedric Armor that stays with you 20 seconds.

Right now it is vastly inferior to Boundless Storm and inferior even to Spiked Armor, the latter of which has horrible secondary effects.

Boundless Storm lasts 23 seconds, gives 7.5 seconds speed bonus AND an AoE DoT. Rune Focus is ludicrously inferior to this.

Imdrefan

And

Zsymon wrote: »

There is no reason for this skill to be immobile at all, just change it into Aedric Armor that stays with you 20 seconds.

Right now it is vastly inferior to Boundless Storm and inferior even to Spiked Armor, the latter of which has horrible secondary effects.

Boundless Storm lasts 23 seconds, gives 7.5 seconds speed bonus AND an AoE DoT. Rune Focus is ludicrously inferior to this.

Also Nighblades have their shadow barrier.

Cinbri

That bright future where templars won't be nerfed..

danno8

Can someone please tell me where, if anywhere, they heard the magicka return was going to fade if you left the circle? I just tested on the PTS and it still remains for the full duration of the circle regardless if you leave it or not.

Major Ward and Major resolve used to only apply if you stayed in the circle then it got buffed in 1.6 to stay sticky to you for 8 seconds if you leave, which you can reset by stepping in the circle again.

Kaliki

danno8 wrote: »

Can someone please tell me where, if anywhere, they heard the magicka return was going to fade if you left the circle? I just tested on the PTS and it still remains for the full duration of the circle regardless if you leave it or not.

If I remember correctly the tooltip says the magicka regen only applies while "near" the rune. Given I cannot really see the regen I just believed in it and tried to stay as near to the rune as possible... Silly isnt it, just believing the tooltips.

leeux

Yep, I've tested it myself just now and the regen ticks are still coming (according to combat cloud addon) even if you leave the focus area past the distance in which the other buffs are removed.

EDIT: I've recorded a small clumsy video of this test, it just finished uploading.

http://youtu.be/5jI-Lz7GFyY

Imdrefan

danno8 wrote: »

Major Ward and Major resolve used to only apply if you stayed in the circle then it got buffed in 1.6 to stay sticky to you for 8 seconds if you leave, which you can reset by stepping in the circle again.

That was the intention, but after 1.6 major ward and resolve would stay with you for the full duration outside the rune.

Justice31st

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danno8

Imdrefan wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Major Ward and Major resolve used to only apply if you stayed in the circle then it got buffed in 1.6 to stay sticky to you for 8 seconds if you leave, which you can reset by stepping in the circle again.

That was the intention, but after 1.6 major ward and resolve would stay with you for the full duration outside the rune.

Weird because I tested this a lot after 1.6, and the Major Resolve and Major Ward never stayed for longer than 8 seconds after leaving the circle. So this "nerf" seems like a non-issue to me, or it was just a "can happen sometime" kind of bug that I just never ran into.

Either way I am glad there is no real change to the skill.

Soris

Spell resist buff was staying for the full duration outside of circle but armor buff was ending after 8 seconds.

So they made it both ends after 8 second outside of circle. But I would rather they make it a true mobile buff for the full duration since it is just a buff and not gonna make anyone OP.

Rook_Master

leeux wrote: »

Yep, I've tested it myself just now and the regen ticks are still coming (according to combat cloud addon) even if you leave the focus area past the distance in which the other buffs are removed.

EDIT: I've recorded a small clumsy video of this test, it just finished uploading.

http://youtu.be/5jI-Lz7GFyY

How generous of Zenimax not to completely nerf this skill into Oblivion.

If the magicka regen was nerfed to only in the circle this would be just another Templar skill that gets relegated to the scrap heap.

Cinbri

Rook_Master wrote: »

leeux wrote: »

Yep, I've tested it myself just now and the regen ticks are still coming (according to combat cloud addon) even if you leave the focus area past the distance in which the other buffs are removed.

EDIT: I've recorded a small clumsy video of this test, it just finished uploading.

http://youtu.be/5jI-Lz7GFyY

How generous of Zenimax not to completely nerf this skill into Oblivion.

If the magicka regen was nerfed to only in the circle this would be just another Templar skill that gets relegated to the scrap heap.

Personally, i started to use this morph after ZOS screwed Restoring Focus morph. If they will ruin this morph, i won't be surprised.

Imdrefan

danno8 wrote: »

Imdrefan wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Major Ward and Major resolve used to only apply if you stayed in the circle then it got buffed in 1.6 to stay sticky to you for 8 seconds if you leave, which you can reset by stepping in the circle again.

That was the intention, but after 1.6 major ward and resolve would stay with you for the full duration outside the rune.

Weird because I tested this a lot after 1.6, and the Major Resolve and Major Ward never stayed for longer than 8 seconds after leaving the circle. So this "nerf" seems like a non-issue to me, or it was just a "can happen sometime" kind of bug that I just never ran into.

Either way I am glad there is no real change to the skill.

Unless its just a UI error, currently on live, major ward/resolve will staywith you for the full duration (not just 8 seconds) even if you leave the Rune. That's why I refer to this as a "fix" but it ends up being a nerf in my opinion.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Yould someone test this while using mist form? That skill stops mana regen but still allows rune focus to restore magicka if you still get magicka outside the focus they did not ruin another templar skill to complete uselessness. I cant test it myself atm because I cant get on pts

Imdrefan

Cinbri wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

leeux wrote: »

Yep, I've tested it myself just now and the regen ticks are still coming (according to combat cloud addon) even if you leave the focus area past the distance in which the other buffs are removed.

EDIT: I've recorded a small clumsy video of this test, it just finished uploading.

http://youtu.be/5jI-Lz7GFyY

How generous of Zenimax not to completely nerf this skill into Oblivion.

If the magicka regen was nerfed to only in the circle this would be just another Templar skill that gets relegated to the scrap heap.

Personally, i started to use this morph after ZOS screwed Restoring Focus morph. If they will ruin this morph, i won't be surprised.

Me too, I used to run a really Troll'y +% healing build with the ritual stone, restoring focus and Malubeth set and ran rapid regen, purifying ritual, entropy, quick siphon, and puncturing sweep. I had so many hots on me I could just chill out when I got cc'ed and they couldn't out dps the healing.

leeux

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Yould someone test this while using mist form? <snip>

Sadly, after using the book they give you to catch vampirism, the vamp skills on the PTS templates aren't fully levelled

Don't know if the VR14 templates still give you the book that works in full, but that check would have to wait until after I get back from work.

If someone want to do it in the meantime, be my guest

danno8

Imdrefan wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Imdrefan wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Major Ward and Major resolve used to only apply if you stayed in the circle then it got buffed in 1.6 to stay sticky to you for 8 seconds if you leave, which you can reset by stepping in the circle again.

That was the intention, but after 1.6 major ward and resolve would stay with you for the full duration outside the rune.

Weird because I tested this a lot after 1.6, and the Major Resolve and Major Ward never stayed for longer than 8 seconds after leaving the circle. So this "nerf" seems like a non-issue to me, or it was just a "can happen sometime" kind of bug that I just never ran into.

Either way I am glad there is no real change to the skill.

Unless its just a UI error, currently on live, major ward/resolve will staywith you for the full duration (not just 8 seconds) even if you leave the Rune. That's why I refer to this as a "fix" but it ends up being a nerf in my opinion.

I just tested on Live and it is only the spell resist one that will stay for the whole duration. The physical resist will fall off after 8 seconds. Magicka return will stay the whole time.