Assassin's Will needs to be fixed on next patch

Sarousse

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Way too much damage on PTS right now.

Is there a fix on the way ?

Maulkin

Sweet Jesus

Xeniph

Keeping in mind that was a crit, with Molag Kenna proced and a high spell power build. What's the issue? I have seen a lot of abilities do this while heavily buffed, from all classes.

EDIT- I don't use it, so I have no vested interest in defending the skill. It's a pain in the arse to use.

Dracane

Assassin's Will is the name of the attack caused by Grim Focus, right ?
23k..... Auri-El

Sarousse

Exactly. It's the Grim Focus Bow attack.

No other ability fully buffed can go that high in pvp on PTS.

Manoekin

You can probably just make a light attack build with that, molag kena, and shield breaker. Definitely should have the damage lowered since they reduced the required attacks by more than half.

Maulkin

Xeniph wrote: »

Keeping in mind that was a crit, with Molag Kenna proced and a high spell power build. What's the issue? I have seen a lot of abilities do this while heavily buffed, from all classes.

EDIT- I don't use it, so I have no vested interest in defending the skill. It's a pain in the arse to use.

lol

Draehl

Nerf the damage, increase the number of attacks to proc, whatever, but PLEASE make the projectile reset the buff timer. Double tapping this skill is sooo clunky.

Iyas

Xeniph wrote: »

Keeping in mind that was a crit, with Molag Kenna proced and a high spell power build. What's the issue? I have seen a lot of abilities do this while heavily buffed, from all classes.

EDIT- I don't use it, so I have no vested interest in defending the skill. It's a pain in the arse to use.

lol

Ryuho

Draehl wrote: »

Nerf the damage, increase the number of attacks to proc, whatever, but PLEASE make the projectile reset the buff timer. Double tapping this skill is sooo clunky.

Exactly bolted part.. but rest no! Pls keep this skill like it is, u need to do 4 light att to proc it.. its not insta high burst dmg skill..

TheBull

I have not seen it hit that high on a person. Only on mobs. With a spell power build the highest I've had it hot for is 11-12k.

actosh

The removal of softcaps was one of the greatest design fails ever made. At least this is my opinion and others may disagree wich is ok to me.

Another funny thing is that all dps sets from ic dont have any cd wich kinda suxx. They will get a cd when next dlc pops i assume.

Too much stuff is broken in the game and not working as it should right now and there is not so much hope left since they told us they will only do small fixes from now on.

Kloud

Please stop nerfing damage ffs it's low enough already leave the last decent skill left that you absolutely have to stack every thing in the world damage wise to hit this number alone! lol

Draehl

Rather than go back to softcaps, I think they'd be better off emphasizing hybrid stats. So while you could go pure damage, someone who splits the difference between damage with either durability, or resource sustain to be slightly more well rounded might gain more overall benefit. Its' sort of like soft-caps, but in non-punitive "gamey" manner. It lets niche builds continue to do their thing, while others can be a little more general to try and counteract stronger combinations like this.

IxSTALKERxI

It's not as simple as doing 4 light attacks and hitting a button to do 23k damage. After the 4 light attacks 2 of which being consecutive with molag kena you need Aggressive warhorn/ soul harvest + entropy + shadowy disguise, without being CC'd or forced on the defensive by the enemy. Without all those buffs you will only hit 10-12k. Also a dk can reflect it back in your face to add another 35% on to that. Or you can dodge roll/ block.

Edit:
I thought that number looked familiar... coincidence? haha

Amica

Hey Shashu of DC, i agree the npc's need a damage nerf. The hit points on them is fine and i do understand they should be hard to take down. But, for the love of god i swear they programmed it so that, the moment you get low on stam that fire ring hits you and BAM your roasted like Mel Gibson after that phone call.

Xeniph

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

It's not as simple as doing 4 light attacks and hitting a button to do 23k damage. After the 4 light attacks 2 of which being consecutive with molag kena you need Aggressive warhorn/ soul harvest + entropy + shadowy disguise, without being CC'd or forced on the defensive by the enemy. Without all those buffs you will only hit 10-12k. Also a dk can reflect it back in your face to add another 35% on to that. Or you can dodge roll/ block.

Edit:
I thought that number looked familiar... coincidence? haha

And see, the uninformed laughed at me. I am only quoting you so people can see what I meant by a "High spell power build, heavily buffed"

It's astounding how many people refuse to think outside the box, and then point and laugh when you tell them some things are possible. However I wasn't going to hold their hands while they figured it out, you are nicer than I am Mojar.

olsborg

Not sure this needs a nerf, in this case it was probably setup pretty thoroughly with molag kena active, might of the guild and a crit after shadowy disguise. If anything, nerf molag kena.

Ryuho

olsborg wrote: »

Not sure this needs a nerf, in this case it was probably setup pretty thoroughly with molag kena active, might of the guild and a crit after shadowy disguise. If anything, nerf molag kena.

Agree, Molag Kena allows to get insanly high burst, and if u combo that with cloak + might of the guild, the results are like posted above..

Sarousse

In any case a combo of abilities should be able to instant shot a player.

Many changes were made to help the fights last longer, and this combo isn't going in the right direction.

Maulkin

Xeniph wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

It's not as simple as doing 4 light attacks and hitting a button to do 23k damage. After the 4 light attacks 2 of which being consecutive with molag kena you need Aggressive warhorn/ soul harvest + entropy + shadowy disguise, without being CC'd or forced on the defensive by the enemy. Without all those buffs you will only hit 10-12k. Also a dk can reflect it back in your face to add another 35% on to that. Or you can dodge roll/ block.

Edit:
I thought that number looked familiar... coincidence? haha

And see, the uninformed laughed at me. I am only quoting you so people can see what I meant by a "High spell power build, heavily buffed"

It's astounding how many people refuse to think outside the box, and then point and laugh when you tell them some things are possible. However I wasn't going to hold their hands while they figured it out, you are nicer than I am Mojar.

You guys don't get it do you? It's not the 24k damage of the example per se. If you can get 24k will all these buffs you can get probably get 15k crits with a bursty build + entropy + cloak/cloudswarm, no probs.

That is still an invisible/undodgeable projectile hitting for 3/4 of peoples health at a time when healing is pretty much a joke.

The whole point of the Battle Spirit change was to reduce incidents of severe burst. If such burst is still happening considering the current state of healing we have a bigger problem than the 15k-20k snipes/frags/proxies on current live. At least on live if you survive the burst you can heal back up pretty quickly.

Soulac

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

It's not as simple as doing 4 light attacks and hitting a button to do 23k damage. After the 4 light attacks 2 of which being consecutive with molag kena you need Aggressive warhorn/ soul harvest + entropy + shadowy disguise, without being CC'd or forced on the defensive by the enemy. Without all those buffs you will only hit 10-12k. Also a dk can reflect it back in your face to add another 35% on to that. Or you can dodge roll/ block.

Edit:
I thought that number looked familiar... coincidence? haha

And see, the uninformed laughed at me. I am only quoting you so people can see what I meant by a "High spell power build, heavily buffed"

It's astounding how many people refuse to think outside the box, and then point and laugh when you tell them some things are possible. However I wasn't going to hold their hands while they figured it out, you are nicer than I am Mojar.

You guys don't get it do you? It's not the 24k damage of the example per se. If you can get 24k will all these buffs you can get probably get 15k crits with a bursty build + entropy + cloak/cloudswarm, no probs.

That is still an invisible/undodgeable projectile hitting for 3/4 of peoples health at a time when healing is pretty much a joke.

The whole point of the Battle Spirit change was to reduce incidents of severe burst. If such burst is still happening considering the current state of healing we have a bigger problem than the 15k-20k snipes/frags/proxies on current live. At least on live if you survive the burst you can heal back up pretty quickly.

If the projectile isn't noticeable stronger than normal attacks it's simply not worth using it.
When someone stacks up so many damage buffs it takes some time and the enemy could react in most cases, but 24k shouldn't be possible tho.

RollDodger

Draehl wrote: »

Nerf the damage, increase the number of attacks to proc, whatever, but PLEASE make the projectile reset the buff timer. Double tapping this skill is sooo clunky.

@Draehl hey man can you pls explaing double tapping thing?

Soulac

RollDodger wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

Nerf the damage, increase the number of attacks to proc, whatever, but PLEASE make the projectile reset the buff timer. Double tapping this skill is sooo clunky.

@Draehl hey man can you pls explaing double tapping thing?

Once it's ready you need to use the skill to shoot the arrow and then press it again to regain the buffs.

Erondil

Don't nerf the damage.
Reincrease the amount of light attacks needed to 7.
Increase the buff duration to 30 seconds.
Done.

xylena

was this hit from stealth? if so, the problem isn't grim focus...

ADarklore

Erondil wrote: »

Don't nerf the damage.
Reincrease the amount of light attacks needed to 7.
Increase the buff duration to 30 seconds.
Done.

This idea actually only benefits those who only use GF for the buff, not for the actual Assassin's Will proc. They whole rational behind this ability was the multi-action process... and now they've made the multi-action process faster to further encourage players to use it 'as was intended' instead of only using it for the buff.

trimsic_ESO

Obviously, this must be fixed before update 7 is released. This update tries to increase the ttk so people can react to incoming burst damage.

Soulac

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Obviously, this must be fixed before update 7 is released. This update tries to increase the ttk so people can react to incoming burst damage.

What do you want to fix at it? Someone could do the same with many other skills if you stack it that high with buffs..
Probably a bit less damage, but most abilities don't need to be casted twice and build up.

GCVDJ11T

I'm a siphon NB on live pulling 15-18k dps PvE. This has always crit for me at 24k with might of the guild. Has nothing to do with the new sets. I get that all day with 4 MK, 2 adroitness, 2 cyro rings, 2 torgs. Without might of the guild it is around 13k. That is one of the reasons for my dps. Just because one guy gets hit one time cry nerf! I can't tell you the amount of times I've been hit in a single instance in PVP by a bow from stealth, or Mojician, or Pain in the Axe with the tool tip coming up with one hit in the 20k's. Seriously if you can't throw a shield or get out of four light attacks, then entropy then casting assin's will ....DUDE.... Come on.....that is not a one shot or overpowered... Seriously we have to cast the ability then cast four light attacks then cast entropy then cast the ability again. It has to be in that order and entropy had to be cast immediately before assin's will or its 13k. It also has to be done in 20 seconds or it doesn't proc at all. I would use it for PVP only if peeps would stand still and not attack me while I cast 7 times just to get 24k. If you guys consider 7 keystrokes/button pushes burst damage......

trimsic_ESO

Soulac wrote: »

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Obviously, this must be fixed before update 7 is released. This update tries to increase the ttk so people can react to incoming burst damage.

What do you want to fix at it? Someone could do the same with many other skills if you stack it that high with buffs..
Probably a bit less damage, but most abilities don't need to be casted twice and build up.

Then fix all the other skills too.

If this is not enough, implement diminishing returns on damage inflicted, i.e. increase the PVP bonus on damage reduction when the amount of damage dealt to a player is too important.

For instance:
0-10k damage dealt: 50% damage reduction on players
> 10k damage dealt: 75% damage reduction on players (above 10k damage dealt)

Example:
You hit a target for a potential of 30k damage: then, you actually hit the target for 10k * 50% + 20k * 25% = 5k + 5k = 10k damage (instead of 15k with the current system).

Easy.