Do you feel as though being a member is worth $15?

Lightninvash

jackiemanuel wrote: »

It depends on your agreement with your bank. Many will cover the expense and then hit you with a insufficient funds charge on top of the $15 they covered for your sub. Some banks simply won't cover the charge.

from working at a bank most auto-renewal services get paid even if you have no money in the bank as per your "request" to have a recurring payment. then they hit you with a non sufficient funds fee(nsf) and you are out way more than you would have if you just had money to cover it. And no declining an overdraw option(opting out) doesn't mean an auto-renewal wont go through. It will just deny you from making purchases with your card via online or a store.

andreasv

I'm pretty happy with my sub. Considering I was happy with paying a sub for a year to simply being able to play the game. Now to get XP boosts and crowns to buy stuff (mostly mounts) is enough for me to keep on paying and playing.

Saltypretzels

It will be worth it for new players 3 years from now, when there is far more DLC content. For players now- no way no how is it a good deal.

icontested

BigM wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

I agree there should be more but not xp, games get ruined when too much xp is given out. Right now after all these months I think there should be 12 character slots for plus members. That could end up making more money in long run for them because a LOT of players will sub just for that reason.

But who am I? LOL when the game was announced going B2P with a crown store and how PC/MAC players were treated during that time, they forgot about us and concentrated on consoles. During that time I was screaming loyal players should get lifetime subs. But now the more time I think about it 12 character slots would be fair and acceptable to all party's.

I think extra slots make sense as crown store purchases but character slots for a sub don't make sense as those characters would become locked if an account ran into a renewal problem.

Also being a PC beta tester and playing on PC at release and then moving to Xbox while continuing on PTS for PC , the PC group needs to be real. It's not all about any one group. There is no favoritism going on and no one is left out.

For the most part we are all playing the same game.
Development delays and set back influenced all groups.

You are kidding right? Sorry we are not all playing the same game. Going from PC to Consoles you should know that more than anyone else. But I won't get into argument with you over it, just amazes me when people like you make statements like this.

1. SWTOR republic does this but they take it to extremes but you can also purchase the extra slots from store to activate those characters.
2. Again too much xp ruins the games, been proven in games like SWTOR and LOTRO. It isn't always (or shouldn't be) about getting to end game. A lot of people just enjoy the journey.
3. With more layoffs hitting ZoS they are going to be forced to do something soon because after all it is all about money if you want the game to expand and flourish!
4. People on these forums that think just the box dollars will keep the game alive are foolish and have no idea how MMORPG's work!

So you would know layoffs are more than normal in the gaming industry. If you are mowing the lawn and you are renting the mower for a two day Job, if you complete the job in one day, get paid for two days work, do you still rent the mower? No! Why would you pay to rent the mower a second day when you just don't need it. This expectation was already set so there are no surprises. Thanks for setting us fools straight

Elsonso

Currently subscribed into 2016, mostly for the convenience of the XP boost, but I do use the Crowns.

This was before the data-mined Halloween stuff. As I am a TES fan more than an MMO fan, this arrangement is contingent upon them showing TES oriented restraint and responsibility in how they monetize the game. I will be watching to see what they decide to do with the trick-or-treaters this fall.

BigM

icontested wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

I agree there should be more but not xp, games get ruined when too much xp is given out. Right now after all these months I think there should be 12 character slots for plus members. That could end up making more money in long run for them because a LOT of players will sub just for that reason.

But who am I? LOL when the game was announced going B2P with a crown store and how PC/MAC players were treated during that time, they forgot about us and concentrated on consoles. During that time I was screaming loyal players should get lifetime subs. But now the more time I think about it 12 character slots would be fair and acceptable to all party's.

I think extra slots make sense as crown store purchases but character slots for a sub don't make sense as those characters would become locked if an account ran into a renewal problem.

Also being a PC beta tester and playing on PC at release and then moving to Xbox while continuing on PTS for PC , the PC group needs to be real. It's not all about any one group. There is no favoritism going on and no one is left out.

For the most part we are all playing the same game.
Development delays and set back influenced all groups.

You are kidding right? Sorry we are not all playing the same game. Going from PC to Consoles you should know that more than anyone else. But I won't get into argument with you over it, just amazes me when people like you make statements like this.

1. SWTOR republic does this but they take it to extremes but you can also purchase the extra slots from store to activate those characters.
2. Again too much xp ruins the games, been proven in games like SWTOR and LOTRO. It isn't always (or shouldn't be) about getting to end game. A lot of people just enjoy the journey.
3. With more layoffs hitting ZoS they are going to be forced to do something soon because after all it is all about money if you want the game to expand and flourish!
4. People on these forums that think just the box dollars will keep the game alive are foolish and have no idea how MMORPG's work!

So you would know layoffs are more than normal in the gaming industry. If you are mowing the lawn and you are renting the mower for a two day Job, if you complete the job in one day, get paid for two days work, do you still rent the mower? No! Why would you pay to rent the mower a second day when you just don't need it. This expectation was already set so there are no surprises. Thanks for setting us fools straight

LOL I see you know exactly how MMO's work. You deserve a big LOL! Layoffs in an MMO is not normal unless the game is doing bad, but then being around them from UO beta wouldn't make me understand MMO's at all I guess.

jackiemanuel

Lightninvash wrote: »

jackiemanuel wrote: »

It depends on your agreement with your bank. Many will cover the expense and then hit you with a insufficient funds charge on top of the $15 they covered for your sub. Some banks simply won't cover the charge.

from working at a bank most auto-renewal services get paid even if you have no money in the bank as per your "request" to have a recurring payment. then they hit you with a non sufficient funds fee(nsf) and you are out way more than you would have if you just had money to cover it. And no declining an overdraw option(opting out) doesn't mean an auto-renewal wont go through. It will just deny you from making purchases with your card via online or a store.

I did not know that. Fortunately i haven't had to deal with insufficient funds in a long time.

Ysne58

The monthly benefits really don't mean that much. I outlevel content without the 10% exp bonus on characters that are under v1. It does help slightly with vet levels.

I did drop my sub for a couple of months, because I had no reason to keep subbing. I started subbing again after ZOS announced plans to start making some content cross alliance (instanced dungeons will be first). I really hope ZOS follows through on this promise, the have been less than reliable and less than honest in their dealings with the customer base in the past.

CGPsaint

This is quite literally the only game that I'm playing right now and even though there are plenty of things that need to be fixed, changed, added, or removed, I'm subbed as my part to support the continued development of this game and it's community. Do I think that it's money well spent at this very moment? No. I am however ever hopeful that there is a bright, shining light at the end of this tunnel, and in the meantime, I will continue to enjoy the game to the greatest extent possible.

As a side note, I don't think that it's really necessary that they increase the XP bonus for subscribers. I have been playing for weeks and I just hit level 20, and I'm not even remotely mad about it. I refuse to grind, and have been enjoying exploring and playing the game as it was meant to be played, and I know that hitting level 50 and progressing into the Vet ranks will actually feel rewarding. Just my 2 cents.

jircris11

barbarian340 wrote: »

I think there should be more benefits... more of an xp boost... More discounts... One exclusive item per month... Discuss

honestly the crown reward and the xp boost is good enough, they balanced it correctly and no one can claim it is pay to win.

@MudcrabsRus In that case they might do one of three things. A. be unable to draft thus not allowing you to even complete the order. B complete the order but charge you 30 bucks for the over fee (bank wise) or C and this happened to someone in my guild. they would try to take the 15 over drafting your account then they would ban you due to fraud.

Savetti

Unfortunately, no its not worth it for me. I have yet to buy anything from the CS since they haven't released anything that's worth the purchase. The bonuses for subbing are a joke for me. I just can't bring myself to unsub yet. I am hoping they turn this game around before they drive it into the ground further.

Preyfar

Yes, I do. Why? Because I know how much servers cost to run. I know how much good devs and artists make in salary. And I want to support that. I want to support ZOS' coding efforts to improve the game, artists to create new designs and environments, writers to develop more story and background. That's worth $15 to me.

I can spend $15 on a good quality pizza that we'll enjoy for like... maybe 20-30 minutes? Yet I can pay $15 an enjoy the game the entire month. Why wouldn't I? I dunno. I find it odd that people will go to Starbucks and spend $5 on a coffee and shrug at the price, but when asked to pay $15 a month for a game suddenly go "WHOA, WHOA, WHOA... you want me to what, now?"

waterfairy

Poll?

What are you paying for? 1500 crowns, free XP boost and renting DLC. If you love the game then you can say you're paying to help it thrive but I don't have money to burn to help an AAA game...I helped them with my $60 on release day like hundreds of thousands of other console players (perhaps even millions).

TheShadowScout

Worth it?

That's not my consideration...

I stay with ESO+ because I believe in putting my money where my game is, and supporting those who make a game I like.

That said... considering the crown stipend and the 10% boni on pretty much everything, I'd say its well worth it if you plan on spending those crowns.

Of course, many have fluctuating income, and thus would rather pay for crowns or DLC as they choose.

Cach as to how it suits them best...

ObsidianMichi

I sub to ESO+, I've thought about unsubscribing but the game hasn't gotten me to a point where I've seriously considered it as of yet and that's more monetary concerns than a problem with the game itself.

I like the stipend. With it, I've been able to afford every mount I wanted in game, a few pets here and there, and even a costume or two. (That includes a Nightmare Courser and the Frost Mare.) I haven't dropped a cent in the Crown Store that didn't come from the sub and nothing so far has really tempted me off that. (Some of those datamined items though...)

Basically, I like the game. I want to support the game. So, I pay the sub fee.

It's worth it for me. Not for everybody.

reften

I like to level. I like my CPs. But, I've come to the realization that I can't keep up with the powergamers anymore despite my exclusive focus on 1 VR14 player and the inability to get the XP potions...when the powergamers are now running non-stop with the XP bonus, I can not.

Paying $16 for a 10% xp boost when the powergamers basically get a non-stop 50% xp boost...is quite deflating

Waffennacht

Im going to sub. Im going to buy the dlc, why not sub for a few months, build up the crowns (leveling up in the mean time) and buying the dlc?

I know I wont sub forever but seeing as i plan on buying the dlc anyway might as well get some perks in the mean time

briandivisionb16_ESO

barbarian340 wrote: »

Do you feel that being a member is worth $15?

Considering the internet cost $15 an hour back in my day. Yes.

Riga_Mortis

I think subscribers should get priority queing into PvP at the least.

reften

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I think subscribers should get priority queing into PvP at the least.

yes, completely agree. Now you have real value.

BatenKajtos

I honestly subscribed because I want to support ZOS, clearly not for the poor bonuses.

BlackEar

Nope. Which is why I am not.

I applaud those who are, because that keeps me from paying

UrQuan

barbarian340 wrote: »

Xp boost of 50% is enough to make me think my sub is worth it... Or an exclusive monthly item... Either is welcome

An exclusive cosmetic item every few months would be nice, as long as it has no game effect. Costumes, mounts, pets, etc.

As far as increasing the XP boost to 50% goes... No. That would be bad. It's bad enough you can already get up to +80% on your XP (+10% ESO Plus boost, +10% Rings of Mara boost, +10% grouping boost, +50% Psijic Ambrosia or Crown Store XP Scroll boost). Changing the +10% for ESO Plus would mean that you could get up to +120% to your XP. That would be insane. If it wouldn't stack with either the Psijic Ambrosia or Crown Store XP scrolls, then maybe it would be OK balance-wise, but even then it would make me unsubscribe. I have a hard enough time trying not to massively out-level everything in a zone as it is (without ever using Rings of Mara or Psijic Ambrosia/Crown Store XP Scrolls). I'd be way too high level if I had a +50% XP boost that I couldn't even turn off!

ghostwise

I think they did an amazing job with their subscription model. It puts other mmos sub models to shame. I think the only thing they are lacking in it are extra character slots. Overall though, it's good.

UrQuan

Lightninvash wrote: »

jackiemanuel wrote: »

It depends on your agreement with your bank. Many will cover the expense and then hit you with a insufficient funds charge on top of the $15 they covered for your sub. Some banks simply won't cover the charge.

from working at a bank most auto-renewal services get paid even if you have no money in the bank as per your "request" to have a recurring payment. then they hit you with a non sufficient funds fee(nsf) and you are out way more than you would have if you just had money to cover it. And no declining an overdraw option(opting out) doesn't mean an auto-renewal wont go through. It will just deny you from making purchases with your card via online or a store.

Having worked on automated clearing item return decisioning software (that's not what we called it, but we called it the specific name of the piece of software, and I can't think of a better way to describe it - basically the software that makes the decision about whether or not to return an item that overdraws an account), this is essentially correct. Different FIs will have different business rules around when an automated debit will be returned vs. when it will be allowed to clear, but generally unless the account is overdrawn by a significant amount (depending on the business rules and the complexity of the software involved it might only look at the specific account being debited, or it might look at the sum of all of the accounts that client has with the FI), or is delinquent on loan payments, the pre-authorized debit will not be returned. Instead, as you say, it will be allowed to overdraw the account, and a fee for the overdraft will be charged to the account.

The clearing rules are slightly different between the US and Canada, but here in Canada you're not allowed to charge an NSF fee unless you return the item, but you are allowed to charge an overdraft fee, which pretty much amounts to the same thing (although there are limits on how big an OD fee can be, because under Canadian law it can be considered that allowing an overdraft is the same as providing credit, and beyond a certain dollar amount the OD fee is considered interest on that credit, so if the fee is too high the FI can run into legal trouble for charging illegal interest rates). If the item is returned, you generall get charge a larger NSF fee.

psicorpb16_ESO

A discount on crown purchases for ppl who are subbed would be nice (if there was something worth buying)

I have subbed for quite a while cos I love the game and want to support it even though at the moment I rarely get chance to play , I generally always contribute to one game at a time and until something better comes along ESO gets my money. Alot needs fixing I guess but unless it all goes 'pear shaped' like archeage did then they have my support.

(I'm not sure how I'd feel though if I was a 'hardcore' player facing all the issues I see posted about on here) for your guys/girls sake I hope they start fixing the things you're passionate about. But for now , just for the graphics and world immersion, they get my money

Volkodav

Yup.I've been subbed since the beginning an plan to stay that way.When they let it go to free to play,it kinda made me sick. People say that subbing isnt worth it.Well,at least I support Bethesda.This is why I do it,even though you guys would say it's ZOS I support.I am hoping that Bethesda will do something more in the Elder Scrolls line. Whether it is Online or just a single player game.I'll buy it either way.And keeping this game alive might just show them that people still love the Elder Scrolls series enough for them to continue it.

Zorrashi

IMO, the tricky thing about optional subs in a B2P model is that while you want to make the sub attractive, you don't want to make the sub seem mandatory for playing the game. That is, while the sub may give benefits, it is entirely possible to access most if not all of the game and all of its mechanics while still having the potential to be competitive in game if they so wish.

Thus I usually see as the % boosts to XP, gold and the reduced research times as more than enough given the material advantages they give in game which seems worth the 15 bucks to me. Then the sub also offers free crowns and free DLC rent. But if they added things like priority PvP queuing, access to the DLC earlier or a private subscriber only forum, then I wouldn't mind.

Mitchblue

I can't see why. The game certainly isn't better being subbed.. In-fact I'd say many who sub have more hatred towards the game than the non sub people.

barbarian340

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

barbarian340 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

barbarian340 wrote: »

Xp boost of 50% is enough to make me think my sub is worth it... Or an exclusive monthly item... Either is welcome

So 50% exp boost overpriced rowns or other benefits?
Or
One in-game item and no other benefits?

I like ESO plus as is vs those other options

No... I mean one of those things on top of the current benefits... Because my point was that the current benefits aren't enough to warrant a $15 monthly sub... ther items in the crown store are already overpriced, imo

1500 crowns is $15 as is...I don't believe that it makes financial sense for ZOS I give out exp at 50% and doc access with crowns for $15.

The exp scrolls alone are 1000 crowns for 5
1500 crowns - $15
DLC = ?

Don't you think that's very unrealistic as a suggestion to ZOS?

no...because crowns are overpriced...so are the items in the store