Lets have an offical Nerf Nb thread.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Avenias · August 2015

Ya lets nerf everything. Infact lets make it so that u start from 0 everytime u log in to play.

Tholian1 · August 2015

We can also talk about how squishy NBs are if they make a mistake. I think you are just jealous of our cool cloak.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Tholian1 wrote: »

We can also talk about how squishy NBs are if they make a mistake. I think you are just jealous of our cool cloak.

Apart from those infinite roll dodge builds (ty there being sorted out...) you can just cloak. You think if a sorc misses his hardened ward he isn't squishy? same with other classes...

If you make a mistake doesn't matter which class you are, you'll pay for it.

Lowenhigh · August 2015

Razor Caltrops > NB.

tommyshelby · August 2015

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

TheArchitects · August 2015

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

leepalmer95 · August 2015

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

eNumbra · August 2015

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal.

Obligatory post pointing out the siphoning line and relating an anecdote about my Vamp-NB-Restro-Blood-Mage-Healer

BrassRazoo · August 2015

Cloak, hit, hit, cloak, shoot, hide, run away, cloak, boring!
Usually I'll just get out a chair and sit down and wait for them to do something or I just get on my horse and ride away.
There is no point wasting time looking for them.
The cloak and hide is just too powerful and should not work when they are two inches away.
Cloak / hide should also not work after they have just hit you. There should be a cooldown or need to break line of site until they can re-use cloak / hide.
It is just really, really stupid.

TheBull · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Regen is nerfed on pts. Plus the took a 35% damage reduction. You should be ok now.

Mojmir · August 2015

Why don't they just eliminate classes and allow you to choose the best 3 plus whatever wep skill lines,and armor

leepalmer95 · August 2015

TheBull wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Regen is nerfed on pts. Plus the took a 35% damage reduction. You should be ok now.

Dmg by 30% seems were already at 20% reduction
Stamina regen when blocking, nb's don't block they roll dodge or cloak.

Cloak is actually getting buffed.

aco5712 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Before you go asking for nerfs please play the class and play with cloak and how unreliable it is. Play with no heal that isn't a dot. And for the fear comment, heard of talons? It's on par with fear coz it's spammable and doesn't give immunity and the choking morph reduces damage

It seriously just sounds like you got ganked and wanna complain about it. The new patch helps with that so Yeh

Dracane · August 2015

You get nerf and you get nerfed EVERYONE GETS NERFED !

tommyshelby · August 2015

NB siphoning line is a joke in PVP (though some may disagree). NB cloaking ability often fails in PVP. And as for sorcerors not having a self heal-- call it what you like but it is an ability that restores and keeps their health full through attack after attack after attack.

By the way, it is misleading when you say the NBs gap closer stuns. It immobilizes for one second, but you can still attack.

You people just don't get it -- NBs are made of GLASS. They are made to be dangerous but fragile. You can sit around and complain about a gap closer and a cloak ability, but those are the things that make up for the terrible lack of survivability. This is ridiculous. It is a trade-off, whichever class you choose. You get some amazing abilities that will frustrate a lot of people and lead to threads like these, but you also have deficiencies to adapt to.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

aco5712 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Before you go asking for nerfs please play the class and play with cloak and how unreliable it is. Play with no heal that isn't a dot. And for the fear comment, heard of talons? It's on par with fear coz it's spammable and doesn't give immunity and the choking morph reduces damage

It seriously just sounds like you got ganked and wanna complain about it. The new patch helps with that so Yeh

Please don't even compare talons to fear, there not in the same league, talons just roots you, you dodge roll out it doesn't even cost much stamina, if your a sorc you can just BE out. Fear is the only skill that makes you lose control of your character and does like 4 effects. The running, the dmg reduction, the movement speed and the snare.

Cloak is unreliable huh? , is it the fact it removes 4 dots?, or its instant?

leepalmer95 · August 2015

tommyshelby wrote: »

NB siphoning line is a joke in PVP (though some may disagree). NB cloaking ability often fails in PVP. And as for sorcerors not having a self heal-- call it what you like but it is an ability they keeps their health full through attack after attack after attack.

By the way, it is misleading when you say the NBs gap closer stuns. It immobilizes for one second, but you can still attack.

You people just don't get it -- NBs are made of GLASS. They are made to be dangerous but fragile. You can sit around and complain about a gap closer and a cloak ability, but those are the things that make up for the terrible lack of survivability. This is ridiculous. It is a trade-off, whichever class you choose. You get some amazing abilities that will frustrate a lot of people and lead to threads like these, but you also have deficiencies to adapt to.

Templers are a joke in pvp.

Why are they made of glass? nb's rarely get hit, cloak + dodge roll.

You ever seen videos of s siphon tank is pvp? , nb's do have self heals ppl just choose to ignore them.

Sorc don't have a self heal? Sure they can make a 14k ward, but the shield has no armour resist and can be brought down so fast by a nb's insanely high dps, Fear will take more than half of a sorc's stamina.

Reeko · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

Sorcerers, if they are smart, use magicka builds. As such they tend to use resto staff which is heals. NBs have to spec magicka to use resto staff efficiently. As stamina NB the only reliable instant heals we have are Vigor and Rally. Forcing NB to use 2h as well.

Sorcerers have crystal frags that i have seen hit for 14k plus. It is instant.

As a sorcerer, would you really want to gap close? Are they not ment to be ranged?

As a stamina NB you can only get away with 2 maybe 3 fears before your out of magicka. Same goes for Cloak.

The only NB only thing we have for stealth speed is Concealed weapon, which stamina builds do not use.

Get ALL of your facts together before spouting bs on the forums please.

Tholian1 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

tommyshelby wrote: »

NB siphoning line is a joke in PVP (though some may disagree). NB cloaking ability often fails in PVP. And as for sorcerors not having a self heal-- call it what you like but it is an ability they keeps their health full through attack after attack after attack.

By the way, it is misleading when you say the NBs gap closer stuns. It immobilizes for one second, but you can still attack.

You people just don't get it -- NBs are made of GLASS. They are made to be dangerous but fragile. You can sit around and complain about a gap closer and a cloak ability, but those are the things that make up for the terrible lack of survivability. This is ridiculous. It is a trade-off, whichever class you choose. You get some amazing abilities that will frustrate a lot of people and lead to threads like these, but you also have deficiencies to adapt to.

Templers are a joke in pvp.

Why are they made of glass? nb's rarely get hit, cloak + dodge roll.

You ever seen videos of s siphon tank is pvp? , nb's do have self heals ppl just choose to ignore them.

Sorc don't have a self heal? Sure they can make a 14k ward, but the shield has no armour resist and can be brought down so fast by a nb's insanely high dps, Fear will take more than half of a sorc's stamina.

Unless I am mistaken, dodge rolling is getting a big nerf next month. Or at least a high cost to use repeatedly, however you want to look at it.

ETA - And I don't think I have ever successfully just cloaked and got away. It takes a bit more work than that. At least for me it does.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

Sorcerers, if they are smart, use magicka builds. As such they tend to use resto staff which is heals. NBs have to spec magicka to use resto staff efficiently. As stamina NB the only reliable instant heals we have are Vigor and Rally. Forcing NB to use 2h as well.

Sorcerers have crystal frags that i have seen hit for 14k plus. It is instant.

As a sorcerer, would you really want to gap close? Are they not ment to be ranged?

As a stamina NB you can only get away with 2 maybe 3 fears before your out of magicka. Same goes for Cloak.

The only NB only thing we have for stealth speed is Concealed weapon, which stamina builds do not use.

Get ALL of your facts together before spouting bs on the forums please.

But nb's can also use a resto staff?
Your not forced to use anything just like sorc aren't forced to use a resto staff.

Frags is a proc, easily noticeable easily to dodge.

A class isn't meant to be anything, they aren't meant to be ranged or melee it's how people play them. It's not the fact a sorc needs a gap closer it's the fact that you have the most dmging one and your best one as your class ability.

Using your logic, stamina dk's are forced to use a 2h because they need a gap closer.

As a stamina nb, you can roll around because of that magical 30% regen passive, must be nice to also get more magicka if you slot cloak or fear.

Why would you spam cloak as a stamina nb, you cloak, use your instantly cast gap closer that hits harder from stealth or invisbilty, stuns the target and increase your next attack by 20%.

Fear also doesn't get spammed, half the time you can't break it, but for one cc move it sure does a lot, lose control of your chara, run away for another 'gap closer' (more like a dmg skill on the same tier as wb) , reduce my dmg, snare me and reduce my movement speed by 50%. Crit rush just crits.

You seem worried that someone finally decided to make a thread about your op class, next time get some actual facts and a actual viable defence before posting because this literally did nothing.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Tholian1 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

tommyshelby wrote: »

NB siphoning line is a joke in PVP (though some may disagree). NB cloaking ability often fails in PVP. And as for sorcerors not having a self heal-- call it what you like but it is an ability they keeps their health full through attack after attack after attack.

By the way, it is misleading when you say the NBs gap closer stuns. It immobilizes for one second, but you can still attack.

You people just don't get it -- NBs are made of GLASS. They are made to be dangerous but fragile. You can sit around and complain about a gap closer and a cloak ability, but those are the things that make up for the terrible lack of survivability. This is ridiculous. It is a trade-off, whichever class you choose. You get some amazing abilities that will frustrate a lot of people and lead to threads like these, but you also have deficiencies to adapt to.

Templers are a joke in pvp.

Why are they made of glass? nb's rarely get hit, cloak + dodge roll.

You ever seen videos of s siphon tank is pvp? , nb's do have self heals ppl just choose to ignore them.

Sorc don't have a self heal? Sure they can make a 14k ward, but the shield has no armour resist and can be brought down so fast by a nb's insanely high dps, Fear will take more than half of a sorc's stamina.

Unless I am mistaken, dodge rolling is getting a big nerf next month. Or at least a high cost to use repeatedly, however you want to look at it.

ETA - And I don't think I have ever successfully just cloaked and got away. It takes a bit more work than that. At least for me it does.

Yeah dodge rolling is getting changed but everyone is just going to go magicka nb seems cloaks getting buffed next patch.

aco5712 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Before you go asking for nerfs please play the class and play with cloak and how unreliable it is. Play with no heal that isn't a dot. And for the fear comment, heard of talons? It's on par with fear coz it's spammable and doesn't give immunity and the choking morph reduces damage

It seriously just sounds like you got ganked and wanna complain about it. The new patch helps with that so Yeh

Please don't even compare talons to fear, there not in the same league, talons just roots you, you dodge roll out it doesn't even cost much stamina, if your a sorc you can just BE out. Fear is the only skill that makes you lose control of your character and does like 4 effects. The running, the dmg reduction, the movement speed and the snare.

Cloak is unreliable huh? , is it the fact it removes 4 dots?, or its instant?

it doesnt cost much stamina if your in medium armour. If your in light/heavy it does cost quite alot.

The loss of control is not a bad thing. The amount of times i have feared someone and missed all my attacks because they keep moving out of the range of surprise attack is quite high lol.
Fear is powerful i do agree but its a CC. It doesnt cause damage, there isnt anything wrong with CCing someone. Just break free from it.

And that comment about cloak is the reason i know you have never played a NB in pvp. Aoe, single target, gap closers all break cloak. Yes it can remove dots but so can purify/purge. Why not complain about them? Its hard to pull off a proper cloak and not get caught and not to mention detect pots are always there to screw you up if you do cloak neatly. Play the class and see the skills for yourself before you start complaining.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

aco5712 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy , stuns on hit and increase next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly fear/mass hysteria.. lol this skill. Aoe cc, that is the only cc to make someone lose control on their characters, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15% and snares them. All in one easy spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third surprise attack, a nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible and causes them to lose armor.

Man zos really like giving all nb ability's 3 effect for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao, here have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people crying over werewolf and thats only 15%

Cloak, doesn't every class wish they could remove dot and go invisible and then crit some from being invisible with a gap closer. Unfortunately only nbs

Theres likely so much more but i'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's lets 'discuss' your Op class!

Before you go asking for nerfs please play the class and play with cloak and how unreliable it is. Play with no heal that isn't a dot. And for the fear comment, heard of talons? It's on par with fear coz it's spammable and doesn't give immunity and the choking morph reduces damage

It seriously just sounds like you got ganked and wanna complain about it. The new patch helps with that so Yeh

Please don't even compare talons to fear, there not in the same league, talons just roots you, you dodge roll out it doesn't even cost much stamina, if your a sorc you can just BE out. Fear is the only skill that makes you lose control of your character and does like 4 effects. The running, the dmg reduction, the movement speed and the snare.

Cloak is unreliable huh? , is it the fact it removes 4 dots?, or its instant?

it doesnt cost much stamina if your in medium armour. If your in light/heavy it does cost quite alot.

The loss of control is not a bad thing. The amount of times i have feared someone and missed all my attacks because they keep moving out of the range of surprise attack is quite high lol.
Fear is powerful i do agree but its a CC. It doesnt cause damage, there isnt anything wrong with CCing someone. Just break free from it.

And that comment about cloak is the reason i know you have never played a NB in pvp. Aoe, single target, gap closers all break cloak. Yes it can remove dots but so can purify/purge. Why not complain about them? Its hard to pull off a proper cloak and not get caught and not to mention detect pots are always there to screw you up if you do cloak neatly. Play the class and see the skills for yourself before you start complaining.

Stuff only breaks cloak if you attack before they cloak, though next patch thats getting changed to only aoe effects cloak.

I'm not complaining about purge/purify because they are meant to remove dots, cloak is an escape skill that removes dots, makes you invisible and increased some of your skills dmg from cloak.

Didn't know people still use heavy armour in pvp, every has insane penetration it's literally useless.

The majority of the time the cc for fear is buggy and won't work, also most nb's use fear and teleport strike again because it'll hit.

Fear costs a lot of stamina to break, seems a lot more than dodge rolls or other cc.

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO · August 2015

I can get solo kills but if I make one little mistake I'm dead and 50% of the time I am dead....I get killed
as much as I kill and I am not complaining....NB is fine

leepalmer95 · August 2015

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO wrote: »

I can get solo kills but if I make one little mistake I'm dead and 50% of the time I am dead....I get killed
as much as I kill and I am not complaining....NB is fine

What?

Reeko · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

Sorcerers, if they are smart, use magicka builds. As such they tend to use resto staff which is heals. NBs have to spec magicka to use resto staff efficiently. As stamina NB the only reliable instant heals we have are Vigor and Rally. Forcing NB to use 2h as well.

Sorcerers have crystal frags that i have seen hit for 14k plus. It is instant.

As a sorcerer, would you really want to gap close? Are they not ment to be ranged?

As a stamina NB you can only get away with 2 maybe 3 fears before your out of magicka. Same goes for Cloak.

The only NB only thing we have for stealth speed is Concealed weapon, which stamina builds do not use.

Get ALL of your facts together before spouting bs on the forums please.

But nb's can also use a resto staff?
Your not forced to use anything just like sorc aren't forced to use a resto staff.

Frags is a proc, easily noticeable easily to dodge.

A class isn't meant to be anything, they aren't meant to be ranged or melee it's how people play them. It's not the fact a sorc needs a gap closer it's the fact that you have the most dmging one and your best one as your class ability.

Using your logic, stamina dk's are forced to use a 2h because they need a gap closer.

As a stamina nb, you can roll around because of that magical 30% regen passive, must be nice to also get more magicka if you slot cloak or fear.

Why would you spam cloak as a stamina nb, you cloak, use your instantly cast gap closer that hits harder from stealth or invisbilty, stuns the target and increase your next attack by 20%.

Fear also doesn't get spammed, half the time you can't break it, but for one cc move it sure does a lot, lose control of your chara, run away for another 'gap closer' (more like a dmg skill on the same tier as wb) , reduce my dmg, snare me and reduce my movement speed by 50%. Crit rush just crits.

You seem worried that someone finally decided to make a thread about your op class, next time get some actual facts and a actual viable defence before posting because this literally did nothing.

Lol you are contradicting yourself. Calm down and re-read the post of yours i quoted before. You stated first dk's are forced to go 2h. Critical Rush also hits WAY harder than Teleport Strike. Crystal frags proc is instant and VERY hard to dodge. Any stamina class can "roll around" without 30% stamina regen. Which btw is getting changed to 15%

Why do NB need to spam cloak? That right there tells me you have NEVER played a NB before. Everything breaks cloak atm. Single target attacks, aoe, dots, etc. And if your using cloak its because your trying to get away not jump back into the fight.

I'm not worried about somone making a thread about NB being op, why would i? Cause i know they are not. What i'm worried about is un-informed people like you making false statements before even trying to play the class he is trying (badly) at bashing. I just hate seeing people make a fool of themselves. Sorry.

PS. We don't get more magicka from slotting fear or cloak. Get YOUR facts straight because this post did nothing.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

Sorcerers, if they are smart, use magicka builds. As such they tend to use resto staff which is heals. NBs have to spec magicka to use resto staff efficiently. As stamina NB the only reliable instant heals we have are Vigor and Rally. Forcing NB to use 2h as well.

Sorcerers have crystal frags that i have seen hit for 14k plus. It is instant.

As a sorcerer, would you really want to gap close? Are they not ment to be ranged?

As a stamina NB you can only get away with 2 maybe 3 fears before your out of magicka. Same goes for Cloak.

The only NB only thing we have for stealth speed is Concealed weapon, which stamina builds do not use.

Get ALL of your facts together before spouting bs on the forums please.

But nb's can also use a resto staff?
Your not forced to use anything just like sorc aren't forced to use a resto staff.

Frags is a proc, easily noticeable easily to dodge.

A class isn't meant to be anything, they aren't meant to be ranged or melee it's how people play them. It's not the fact a sorc needs a gap closer it's the fact that you have the most dmging one and your best one as your class ability.

Using your logic, stamina dk's are forced to use a 2h because they need a gap closer.

As a stamina nb, you can roll around because of that magical 30% regen passive, must be nice to also get more magicka if you slot cloak or fear.

Why would you spam cloak as a stamina nb, you cloak, use your instantly cast gap closer that hits harder from stealth or invisbilty, stuns the target and increase your next attack by 20%.

Fear also doesn't get spammed, half the time you can't break it, but for one cc move it sure does a lot, lose control of your chara, run away for another 'gap closer' (more like a dmg skill on the same tier as wb) , reduce my dmg, snare me and reduce my movement speed by 50%. Crit rush just crits.

You seem worried that someone finally decided to make a thread about your op class, next time get some actual facts and a actual viable defence before posting because this literally did nothing.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

Sorcerers, if they are smart, use magicka builds. As such they tend to use resto staff which is heals. NBs have to spec magicka to use resto staff efficiently. As stamina NB the only reliable instant heals we have are Vigor and Rally. Forcing NB to use 2h as well.

Sorcerers have crystal frags that i have seen hit for 14k plus. It is instant.

As a sorcerer, would you really want to gap close? Are they not ment to be ranged?

As a stamina NB you can only get away with 2 maybe 3 fears before your out of magicka. Same goes for Cloak.

The only NB only thing we have for stealth speed is Concealed weapon, which stamina builds do not use.

Get ALL of your facts together before spouting bs on the forums please.

But nb's can also use a resto staff?
Your not forced to use anything just like sorc aren't forced to use a resto staff.

Frags is a proc, easily noticeable easily to dodge.

A class isn't meant to be anything, they aren't meant to be ranged or melee it's how people play them. It's not the fact a sorc needs a gap closer it's the fact that you have the most dmging one and your best one as your class ability.

Using your logic, stamina dk's are forced to use a 2h because they need a gap closer.

As a stamina nb, you can roll around because of that magical 30% regen passive, must be nice to also get more magicka if you slot cloak or fear.

Why would you spam cloak as a stamina nb, you cloak, use your instantly cast gap closer that hits harder from stealth or invisbilty, stuns the target and increase your next attack by 20%.

Fear also doesn't get spammed, half the time you can't break it, but for one cc move it sure does a lot, lose control of your chara, run away for another 'gap closer' (more like a dmg skill on the same tier as wb) , reduce my dmg, snare me and reduce my movement speed by 50%. Crit rush just crits.

You seem worried that someone finally decided to make a thread about your op class, next time get some actual facts and a actual viable defence before posting because this literally did nothing.

Lol you are contradicting yourself. Calm down and re-read the post of yours i quoted before. You stated first dk's are forced to go 2h. Critical Rush also hits WAY harder than Teleport Strike. Crystal frags proc is instant and VERY hard to dodge. Any stamina class can "roll around" without 30% stamina regen. Which btw is getting changed to 15%

Why do NB need to spam cloak? That right there tells me you have NEVER played a NB before. Everything breaks cloak atm. Single target attacks, aoe, dots, etc. And if your using cloak its because your trying to get away not jump back into the fight.

I'm not worried about somone making a thread about NB being op, why would i? Cause i know they are not. What i'm worried about is un-informed people like you making false statements before even trying to play the class he is trying (badly) at bashing. I just hate seeing people make a fool of themselves. Sorry.

PS. We don't get more magicka from slotting fear or cloak. Get YOUR facts straight because this post did nothing.

It's useless try to and defend your class it's op, everyone knows it, your cloak is getting buff, third time i stated that but apparently you won't read anything that makes sense and gives proof of nb being op, a stamina nb can use any weapon he wants because his class abilities are so op.

It's not even worth trying to talk to you. Go run a dk or templar then come back as you obviously have only played a nb.

Oh and crit rush doesn't hit harder, nb's get so much crit they can easy get 70% without even trying.

Reeko · August 2015

I think you just like saying the word op lol.

And Cloak is getting fixed, not buffed.

But hey it's your thread, so i'll pretend you won eso and leave you alone now.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Reeko wrote: »

I think you just like saying the word op lol.

And Cloak is getting fixed, not buffed.

But hey it's your thread, so i'll pretend you won eso and leave you alone now.

Too bad you can't win eso ^^ unless you get 3600 cp.

Cloak is already op, it's getting stronger.

Farorin · August 2015

Haha, I thought this was a joke thread at first. Especially considering how in PTS currently NBs are most certainly not OP and considering how easy it is to throw a spanner in their whole game plan.

Good luck trying to convince any competent player after next big update goes live that NBs are OP seeing as how they are one of the easiest classes to kill.