Skill is a Myth

Farorin

If all else is equal, meaning skills, equipment, stats, mundus buff, etc. and one player consistently beats the other, that is due to a difference in skill.

Also, skill has a lot more than just mechanical skill to it, a group leader who can consistently do well in cyrodiil is skilled with the strategy contained in the game for example, even if they may not be the most skilled solo player or at 1v1. So your view of what is an isn't skill, is a bit narrow minded and doesn't take into account the varied planes and qualities of skill.

Theory-crafting, strategy, mechanical skill/reaction time, large scale, small scale, ability to adapt to different circumstances and stimuli, etc.

TBois

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

If you main a Stam sorc are you stupid or skilled?

That's the question of life.

Just want to note how great this response was! I will no longer think of you as fake fixate

FluffiestOne

sixuponthelot wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

If you main a Stam sorc are you stupid or skilled?

That's the question of life.

Just want to note how great this response was! I will no longer think of you as fake fixate

You'd best do that, FOR I AM FLUFFERS! GREATEST ROLEPLAYER IN THE WORLD!

Araxleon

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

If you main a Stam sorc are you stupid or skilled?

That's the question of life.

Just want to note how great this response was! I will no longer think of you as fake fixate

You'd best do that, FOR I AM FLUFFERS! GREATEST ROLEPLAYER IN THE WORLD!

Fluffers the greatest roleplayer? so wait if your roleplaying as the greatest roleplayer doesnt that mean your not? because your roleplaying

TBois

Araxleon wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

If you main a Stam sorc are you stupid or skilled?

That's the question of life.

Just want to note how great this response was! I will no longer think of you as fake fixate

You'd best do that, FOR I AM FLUFFERS! GREATEST ROLEPLAYER IN THE WORLD!

Fluffers the greatest roleplayer? so wait if your roleplaying as the greatest roleplayer doesnt that mean your not? because your roleplaying

He did role play as fixate for sometime so maybe it works?

Rayste

FluffiestOne wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

Lemme put it this way.

You main a nightblade, you aren't skilled.
You main a magicka sorc, you aren't skilled.
You main a dk, you might have skill.
You main a templar, chances are you might have skill.

Sadly because of class imbalances it has to be this way.

I am sorry to say I've played sorc since launch. It's my only char and I'll not play another class. Forgive me your.....fluffyness?

-Methu

If you can be like LORD FENGRUSH I'll forgive you.

Signed, FLUFFAY, EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION.

Umm fluffy, didn't you whisper me for help in CWC the other night? Is this what you think of me?!

Rayste

Ezareth wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ehhh...I have to disagree but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

When I ran into a player last night and butchered him and his group alobg with several others multiple times he asked "how did I get so good?" I told him simply....I've played a very long time and have deep knowledge of the game and classes. I said that I felt 70% of the success of a player is build and stats, 20% pure skill in performing the correct action at the correct time and 10% strategy which is a combination of influencing your opponents into doing what you want then to do and utilizing the element of surprise when necessary.

Sorry typing on a phone at Sbux, points can't be expanded upon too much.

Myself and my small group of miscreants (all 4 of us) did this to you and around 10 DC last night for the better part of an hour. Must have been after we logged. Shots fired =/

FluffiestOne

Rayste wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

Lemme put it this way.

You main a nightblade, you aren't skilled.
You main a magicka sorc, you aren't skilled.
You main a dk, you might have skill.
You main a templar, chances are you might have skill.

Sadly because of class imbalances it has to be this way.

I am sorry to say I've played sorc since launch. It's my only char and I'll not play another class. Forgive me your.....fluffyness?

-Methu

If you can be like LORD FENGRUSH I'll forgive you.

Signed, FLUFFAY, EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION.

Umm fluffy, didn't you whisper me for help in CWC the other night? Is this what you think of me?!

Psh obviously not, anyone I know instantly has skill because I'm a hypocrite.

FluffiestOne

Araxleon wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

If you main a Stam sorc are you stupid or skilled?

That's the question of life.

Just want to note how great this response was! I will no longer think of you as fake fixate

You'd best do that, FOR I AM FLUFFERS! GREATEST ROLEPLAYER IN THE WORLD!

Fluffers the greatest roleplayer? so wait if your roleplaying as the greatest roleplayer doesnt that mean your not? because your roleplaying

You'll never know, because I'm so good at roleplaying. ZoS loves me.

PS: Looking for RP-PVP guild!

Ezareth

Rayste wrote: »

Myself and my small group of miscreants (all 4 of us) did this to you and around 10 DC last night for the better part of an hour. Must have been after we logged. Shots fired =/

I recall killing those "micreants" over and over including yourself. And it was a good 4-5 pugs and all but 2 were lowbies for far long than it was 10 DC which is was by the end. Either way I it's easy for a group of 4 to sit on a resource and kill pugs, especially when none of them were healers and you had 2 with healing ward.

Until I get access to vigor I'm not going to kill 4 decent players solo who focus me, especially considering you were the biggest healer on my team and your templar did nothing but spam RD on me.

Alcast

Easiest way to win:
1. use broken mechanics in the game
2. use all the exploits (and there are a lot )

Because:
1. ZoS does not care because they will not loose subs
2. If you are an aexploiter ZoS will put you in a witness protection Program and give you new names+alliance+gear

Rayste

Ezareth wrote: »

Rayste wrote: »

Myself and my small group of miscreants (all 4 of us) did this to you and around 10 DC last night for the better part of an hour. Must have been after we logged. Shots fired =/

I recall killing those "micreants" over and over including yourself. And it was a good 4-5 pugs and all but 2 were lowbies for far long than it was 10 DC which is was by the end. Either way I it's easy for a group of 4 to sit on a resource and kill pugs, especially when none of them were healers and you had 2 with healing ward.

Until I get access to vigor I'm not going to kill 4 decent players solo who focus me, especially considering you were the biggest healer on my team and your templar did nothing but spam RD on me.

Funny how people can remember things differently. You killed me a grand total of 1 time when we finally wiped. 1v1 I am fairly certain you wouldn't be able to kill me once.

I knew you would bite on this which is exactly why I posted this trash hah. And don't get me wrong, i have no issues with you in particular as a person or a player. This brings me to : is Skill a myth? I have actually thought about this many times in the past .....


It was around the time i was contemplating quitting MMO's altogether because they are perceived by most 'sane' people a waste of time and a way to escape reality. This is ok in small doses but we both know most posters here are .... anyways i digress.

Skill is an illusion created by gamers such as ourselves to quantify an acceptance of each other and levels of respect we deserve in game. Both are most likely meaningless in the end as we will never meet in person. But the emotions that this solicits can be very real.

And my final point, which your post brings out fairly well ..... many of us think we are actually better players than we really are and you are no exception .... it is funny actually when you sit back and read the posts and the stories of 1vxing and tales of greatness even back to the OP here. Finally, I would hate to close as a hypocrite here.... I don't post videos but I get really defensive when posts like the above quoted are made. Why? Simple, I think im a better player than you are

Derra

Rylana wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ehhh...I have to disagree but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

The freedom to disagree is a wonderful thing. You are one of the few people that actually studied the game and its mechanics early, developed that reputation early. Ahead of the curve, and well done.

But now, after everyone has copied all the things you accomplished, do you not see the curve that used to exist homogenizing? Far be it from me to take anything away from you, but youre no longer "the" big fish, everyone else grew up, know what I am saying?

Its just the reality of the game, knowledge has always been power, not skill.

the sheer number of ezareth "clones" i see out there nowadays is testament to that.

And this is where you are wrong. I´ve fought countless sorcs up to this day. I´ve only met three so far that i consider to be an even match and that´s only if we fight in a dueling setting (these three have been good since the beginning of the game).

It´s not a mechanical skill like railgunning ppl in quake 3 was - "skill" in open pvp mmos is about ability cooldowns and the right reaction to every given situation. You can´t learn that by copying builds and players and this is why most rerollers fail at what they do.

Rylana

Rayste wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Rayste wrote: »

Myself and my small group of miscreants (all 4 of us) did this to you and around 10 DC last night for the better part of an hour. Must have been after we logged. Shots fired =/

I recall killing those "micreants" over and over including yourself. And it was a good 4-5 pugs and all but 2 were lowbies for far long than it was 10 DC which is was by the end. Either way I it's easy for a group of 4 to sit on a resource and kill pugs, especially when none of them were healers and you had 2 with healing ward.

Until I get access to vigor I'm not going to kill 4 decent players solo who focus me, especially considering you were the biggest healer on my team and your templar did nothing but spam RD on me.

Funny how people can remember things differently. You killed me a grand total of 1 time when we finally wiped. 1v1 I am fairly certain you wouldn't be able to kill me once.

I knew you would bite on this which is exactly why I posted this trash hah. And don't get me wrong, i have no issues with you in particular as a person or a player. This brings me to : is Skill a myth? I have actually thought about this many times in the past .....


It was around the time i was contemplating quitting MMO's altogether because they are perceived by most 'sane' people a waste of time and a way to escape reality. This is ok in small doses but we both know most posters here are .... anyways i digress.

Skill is an illusion created by gamers such as ourselves to quantify an acceptance of each other and levels of respect we deserve in game. Both are most likely meaningless in the end as we will never meet in person. But the emotions that this solicits can be very real.

And my final point, which your post brings out fairly well ..... many of us think we are actually better players than we really are and you are no exception .... it is funny actually when you sit back and read the posts and the stories of 1vxing and tales of greatness even back to the OP here. Finally, I would hate to close as a hypocrite here.... I don't post videos but I get really defensive when posts like the above quoted are made. Why? Simple, I think im a better player than you are

When we spoke in TS a few months back, if you remember the convo, my feelings on the game were already becoming what this thread was made about. I remember flat out making the comment on why I found most 1vX youtube stuff to be utter trash (exploit/broken mechanics vs unaware newbies or underleveled fodder), and with a very few exceptional players that stream and vid and all that, I do remember you agreeing with that sentiment.

Its only gotten worse since. And while we didnt agree on every point, as people rarely do, I think you hit nail on head when you mentioned most players view of their skill/ability is inflated in their own minds.

Wasnt that long ago we went rounds sorc v sorc in the middle of a larger fight for a resource (arrius mine a ways back on Had), and it was pretty obvious we were just shield stackers smacking on each others shields and getting annoyed we couldnt break through. You eventually started hitting someone else, and so did I, because the meta on SvS is pretty silly right now, slot one ability, virtually immune to all other magicka sorcs.

Isnt really skilled gameplay there, wonder if you agree with that.

Fenrlr

Araxleon wrote: »

Get on my level

He plays without even using the mouse.
No skill!?

Rayste

Rylana wrote: »

Rayste wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Rayste wrote: »

Myself and my small group of miscreants (all 4 of us) did this to you and around 10 DC last night for the better part of an hour. Must have been after we logged. Shots fired =/

I recall killing those "micreants" over and over including yourself. And it was a good 4-5 pugs and all but 2 were lowbies for far long than it was 10 DC which is was by the end. Either way I it's easy for a group of 4 to sit on a resource and kill pugs, especially when none of them were healers and you had 2 with healing ward.

Until I get access to vigor I'm not going to kill 4 decent players solo who focus me, especially considering you were the biggest healer on my team and your templar did nothing but spam RD on me.

Funny how people can remember things differently. You killed me a grand total of 1 time when we finally wiped. 1v1 I am fairly certain you wouldn't be able to kill me once.

I knew you would bite on this which is exactly why I posted this trash hah. And don't get me wrong, i have no issues with you in particular as a person or a player. This brings me to : is Skill a myth? I have actually thought about this many times in the past .....


It was around the time i was contemplating quitting MMO's altogether because they are perceived by most 'sane' people a waste of time and a way to escape reality. This is ok in small doses but we both know most posters here are .... anyways i digress.

Skill is an illusion created by gamers such as ourselves to quantify an acceptance of each other and levels of respect we deserve in game. Both are most likely meaningless in the end as we will never meet in person. But the emotions that this solicits can be very real.

And my final point, which your post brings out fairly well ..... many of us think we are actually better players than we really are and you are no exception .... it is funny actually when you sit back and read the posts and the stories of 1vxing and tales of greatness even back to the OP here. Finally, I would hate to close as a hypocrite here.... I don't post videos but I get really defensive when posts like the above quoted are made. Why? Simple, I think im a better player than you are

When we spoke in TS a few months back, if you remember the convo, my feelings on the game were already becoming what this thread was made about. I remember flat out making the comment on why I found most 1vX youtube stuff to be utter trash (exploit/broken mechanics vs unaware newbies or underleveled fodder), and with a very few exceptional players that stream and vid and all that, I do remember you agreeing with that sentiment.

Its only gotten worse since. And while we didnt agree on every point, as people rarely do, I think you hit nail on head when you mentioned most players view of their skill/ability is inflated in their own minds.

Wasnt that long ago we went rounds sorc v sorc in the middle of a larger fight for a resource (arrius mine a ways back on Had), and it was pretty obvious we were just shield stackers smacking on each others shields and getting annoyed we couldnt break through. You eventually started hitting someone else, and so did I, because the meta on SvS is pretty silly right now, slot one ability, virtually immune to all other magicka sorcs.

Isnt really skilled gameplay there, wonder if you agree with that.

I remember our conversation well and I don't disagree with your assessment. It is very hard to nail down what skill is. I am still processing what I think it is. I do think all sides of this argument have some merit.

Thanks for making this thread by the way. I don't agree with all of your original points, but this was something that i am sure has been on the minds of some of the 'better' players. Well done sir.

Let's see how this evolves. And to Ezareth: my post was meant to be a bit snarky to highlight how we view ourselves in the pvp realm and how skill has to be viewed as anecdotal. I actually have a good amount of respect for what you do with your toons.

Rayste

Araxleon wrote: »

Get on my level

Awesome lol.

rfennell_ESO

Rylana wrote: »

All the time on these forums I hear people talk about skill factoring into battles, how skill determines X, how skill should determine Y, and I find myself more often than not rolling my eyes at the screen.

Why? Because there is no actual skill curve in this game. At best there is a knowledge of point counterpoint but that is about the limit. A simple study of what individual class abilities, effects, and the like will quickly close that gap, so what is this mythical skill people blabber about so much.

I agree and disagree.

There absolutely are skilled players, but skill isn't always what they think it is. Much of their "skill" is in their internet connection and their "rig". Another part of "skill" is your setup of keys to press as well. A great deal of "skill" is related to how good your ping is, and that usually has more to do with how far from the server you are physically than any sort of zen to gaming.

There is something you can consider "skill" in someone that uses a layout that allows them to fluidly use their character to the best of their ability. Simple thing like do you actually have to rely on double tapping to dodge roll or did you bind dodge roll to a separate key entirely? Block can be set to another key as well instead of having to rely on the right mouse button... Do you separate abilities between hands? ie do you have some abilities on the keyboard and some on the mouse? Utilizing an attack on a mouse button with say dodge roll on the keyboard is very easy to time. In many cases you can do them nearly simultaneously. It's hard to say a good setup is skill though, but lacking one is certainly the opposite of skill.

If you have a crappy slow computer with a small monitor and dell keyboard and a dell mouse, well that's a cap to your skill. Having a fast computer with multiple wide screen large monitor and a kicking video card(s) to run at high resolution with no frame lag and a mechanical keyboard and a gaming mouse eliminates that problem. But it's not actually skillful to have good gear, but it certainly shows as skill in a game.

I can say with certainty that if you are the most "skilled" player ever and you have a crappy comp running the game in low res with bad frame rate diligently trying to fight your ability usage through an excuse for a keyboard with your 2 or 3 total button mouse that isn't very responsive or accurate all being done using default keybinds and all with a 200 ping. Well, no matter how "skilled" you are... someone like me will murder you. It's really not a fair fight no matter your "skill". But it's hard to make the argument that I would be skilled or have skill in just having a better rig.

I think there are many things you can do that will allow you to do what you want with little hampering of your setup, your rig, your connection and all of these things can be perceived as skill. Now the egomaniacs of the world are the most likely to get caught up in that and usurp the true nature of reality with delusion.

But with all that said, most skill is really just your setup and how well you can instinctively use it. For instance, can you cancel an ability you were in the process of using as you saw the meteor graphic ability appear around your feet, switch bars and use dark cloak all while running? It's easy to say it's skill if you can, even though if you someone told you "hey that guy is gonna cast meteor on you" and you were just sitting there waiting to press whatever the default key that's assigned to ability 5 is that happens to be where you placed dark cloak and is patiently awaiting it's pressing on your current weapon bar achieves the same result as the skilled version of doing so. Point being that some people have an interface setup and PC setup that is clunky for them to navigate, and it makes many things people call skill nearly impossible for them to pull off reliably.

Lastly, there is also how you setup your bars. Did you put all your blue CP points into mighty and have a bar setup with abilities that are poison and magic damage? Or did you switch all morphs and all abilities to physical damage ones? In the end is that skill? Eh, hard to say ;p

Araxleon

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

FluffiestOne wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

If you main a Stam sorc are you stupid or skilled?

That's the question of life.

Just want to note how great this response was! I will no longer think of you as fake fixate

You'd best do that, FOR I AM FLUFFERS! GREATEST ROLEPLAYER IN THE WORLD!

Fluffers the greatest roleplayer? so wait if your roleplaying as the greatest roleplayer doesnt that mean your not? because your roleplaying

He did role play as fixate for sometime so maybe it works?

Fenrlr wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Get on my level

He plays without even using the mouse.
No skill!?

Im animation canceling so fast you cant see the mouse.

manny254

FluffiestOne wrote: »

Lemme put it this way.

You main a templar, chances are you might have skill.

There is hope for me.

rfennell_ESO

The other issue regarding "skill" is that a huge amount of the "skilled" are really just figments of association fallacy.

kadar

@Rylana

Skill

"You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means."

All joking aside though, I think you're definition is different from a lot of people's. You're using a lot of different words to illustrate that various things DON'T take skill. Many people would argue that those very words fall under the mantle of skill.

You've said that you yourself don't find this game difficult. Is it possible that you are simply a skilled player? If someone doesn't know how to counter the arguably easy things you are doing, it is either a lack of knowledge OR an actual failure to activate said counters. Either way, said player could be considered less skilled than yourself.

I think your argument may be one of terminology.

King Bozo

It's all in the wrist.

Araxleon

King Bozo wrote: »

It's all in the wrist.

I have battle scars on my wrist.

Vizier

ToRelax wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well can't all video games in this genre be relegated to not needing skill, but knowledge?

I mean, it's not like you have to have a special ability or training to hit keys, especially when the game is literally telling you at what point to hit those keys.

I think the real skill comes from strategy and anticipating the overall momentum of battles.

Getting to a keep and setting up defenses before the enemy gets there, ambushing, flanking etc are the only examples of "skill", but even then isn't that more tactical knowledge of battle than skill?

While I agree with much of what Rylana said. I mean for crying out loud there are addons that tell you when to block, dodge, counter, etc... Truly problematic IMO. That said I just don't agree that there is no skill involved. Ezereth and other elite players have shown that and I don't believe it's all just about exploiting Nirn and such. (true for some for sure.) I mean for instance I think at some point I sniped at Ezereth from stealth and he was off his horse and charging me before my arrow was half way to him. THAT kind of skill and reaction time make me smile even as I'm dying. lol.

@yodased you really are seconding my thoughts here. Situational awareness is IMO one of the most important skills a player can develop. Seeing and understanding the ebb and flow of battles and being able to anticipate what is going to happen is key to survival, especially for solo and small group pvp players.

This one is interesting. How would he do that? When I am very concentrated, I can dodge the very first attack as well, but the problem I then face is that the sniper enters stealth again. So my usual tactic is to either just let the first arrow hit my Defensive Rune, or, when I suspect several gankers, take it with Hardened Ward.
@Ezareth

@ToRelax

With these types of things it's always difficult to say. It could be one of the addons that tells a player in real time what is happening by flashing words in bold on the screen to dodge, block etc. I've seen where it "appears" that "some" players just "know" when they are being targeted. Call me crazy but I'm just saying that's the way it appears. I don't know...

Here's the way I look at a situation like the one I described though. Since that kind of response from a target happens so damn rarely I'm inclined to believe it's not an addon and if it is very few are showing the aptitude to utilize it like that. When being sniped you can hear the bolt coming if (you)* have quality audio. Additionally sometimes there is a little indication that you are entering combat with the screen border. The game does give cues as to what is going on. If I can dodge an ambush attack when the attacker is in stealth and from the rear (sometimes) then the above is not out of the realm of possibility for someone with intense situational awareness. Remember you can dismount instantly by casting an instant cast spell or ability. I think he cast cloak when he heard my arrow, acquired me as a target. I usually cloak just as my arrow strikes but this response threw me off and I was caught flat footed. I was then charged/abush struck to death very quickly since that character has terrible HP pool and mitigation.

I love engaging folks with skills. For the most part I'm fodder for them but it's how I can gauge where I'm at as a player. A good player is typically not an "easy" gank. Patience and timing. People hate it but they don't see what goes into some kills. They think oh you just buffed up and hit snipe, hvy attack, venom arrow, lt attack. They see the last five seconds. They didn't see you tracking them for for several minutes in stealth, staying with them while they are ahead on horse or bolting etc. Moving up and back buffing up out of earshot to be ready and then striking once their guard/shields/protection spells, etc come down. Sometimes you have only a second or two to get the hit before protections are back in place because "THAT is what GOOD PLAYERS DO!."
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I think there are seriously valid points being made on all sides of this discussion. It's nice to see. With regard to the notion that muscle memory and situational awareness aren't "skillz" I would refer folks to just about anything else we refer to as skill. Playing a musical instrument, Basketball, football, baseball, soccer etc..., shooting, drawing, painting. No I understand the human body is very complex and for instance playing a Trumpet requires more than pushing down 3 keys and blowing into the end. It takes, breath control, a trained embouchure etc, but like that playing a game like this isn't as simple as "pushing down keys." How many people fight and get flustered when in pvp? So much so they can barely do anything more than spam their spells, whereas some cats are cool as cucumbers, pull off timed combos while using terrain and read their enemies such that they are always hitting a group where they can do the most damage by prioritizing targets based on skill, level, remaining hp etc. Sorry, but THAT is skillz IMHO.

The problem with this game IMO is ZoS unimaginably disconnected approach to fixes and balancing. They introduce a system designed to replace VR because VR was proving to be jacked. THEN they DON"T bleeping replace VR! How can they balance CP without first getting rid of VR since it's designed to exist without it? And how long has Nirn-honed been a problem? or sharpened maces? Or some particular exploitable bugs that some use for virtually 100% damage mitigation etc etc and the list GOES ON! Things that should be priorities to fix and balance aren't and it's obvious. And then we have to see utterly stupid PvP "fixes" like blanket nerfs to damage etc, which don't actually fix the problems but rather increases the importance of FOTM exploitive builds and reduces the viability of other more mundane and traditional builds and playstyles!

I'm a huge TES ESO fan, but ZoS doesn't deserve my Sub at this point...they just don't.

So sorry for this wall of text. Intended this to be a one paragraph response but.....

*edited: inserted for clarity.

Phoenix99

The game, requires _some_ skill, but the skill ceiling is very low.

Majority of fight outcomes is based on the build/gear/number of CPs and their allocation.

There is no true aim, there are also target locks
Skills are spammable, so there is no tactical decision and "baiting" the skill usage of the opponent.
Given the amount of CPs and quality of gear, there is no resource management, you outregen the skill usage.

the only thing near the skill is the use of terrain and some co-ordinated bomb squad, that's it...

a guy with 0 CP and all regular dropped green items will never beat a guy in crafted sets of gold and 300+ CPs... he won't even tickle him before his resources will run out.

Araxleon

Phoenix99 wrote: »

The game, requires _some_ skill, but the skill ceiling is very low.

Majority of fight outcomes is based on the build/gear/number of CPs and their allocation.

There is no true aim, there are also target locks
Skills are spammable, so there is no tactical decision and "baiting" the skill usage of the opponent.
Given the amount of CPs and quality of gear, there is no resource management, you outregen the skill usage.

the only thing near the skill is the use of terrain and some co-ordinated bomb squad, that's it...

a guy with 0 CP and all regular dropped green items will never beat a guy in crafted sets of gold and 300+ CPs... he won't even tickle him before his resources will run out.

I beat someone with 600 more CP than me (im in 100s) and he was built around the CP system.

sooo its possible.

sadownik

Araxleon wrote: »

Phoenix99 wrote: »

The game, requires _some_ skill, but the skill ceiling is very low.

Majority of fight outcomes is based on the build/gear/number of CPs and their allocation.

There is no true aim, there are also target locks
Skills are spammable, so there is no tactical decision and "baiting" the skill usage of the opponent.
Given the amount of CPs and quality of gear, there is no resource management, you outregen the skill usage.

the only thing near the skill is the use of terrain and some co-ordinated bomb squad, that's it...

a guy with 0 CP and all regular dropped green items will never beat a guy in crafted sets of gold and 300+ CPs... he won't even tickle him before his resources will run out.

I beat someone with 600 more CP than me (im in 100s) and he was built around the CP system.

sooo its possible.

It always amazes me how people know how much their enemies have cp's. Is there an add on for it? I thought there isnt.

Araxleon

sadownik wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Phoenix99 wrote: »

The game, requires _some_ skill, but the skill ceiling is very low.

Majority of fight outcomes is based on the build/gear/number of CPs and their allocation.

There is no true aim, there are also target locks
Skills are spammable, so there is no tactical decision and "baiting" the skill usage of the opponent.
Given the amount of CPs and quality of gear, there is no resource management, you outregen the skill usage.

the only thing near the skill is the use of terrain and some co-ordinated bomb squad, that's it...

a guy with 0 CP and all regular dropped green items will never beat a guy in crafted sets of gold and 300+ CPs... he won't even tickle him before his resources will run out.

I beat someone with 600 more CP than me (im in 100s) and he was built around the CP system.

sooo its possible.

It always amazes me how people know how much their enemies have cp's. Is there an add on for it? I thought there isnt.

Dueling Guild, I was part of legend for a very long time, through that i met AD/DC players and we can talk ingame/add eachother.

its as simple as being there friend and knowing.

I main EP and only EP, but I have more friends on AD/DC than on EP side haha

(also friends of friends is how I meet other AD/DC I dont really know well, I usually see screenshots in TS as proof)

InvictoNZ

There is no skill.

Equally "skilled" players can just duel forever and get bored.

There is more skill in programming macros than playing the game.