Sorcerer changes that were not mentioned in the Patchnotes.

Dracane

Dark Magic

Blood Magic (passive): Increased the healing received when hitting enemies with dark magic abilities from 8% to 9%

Daedric Summoning

Summoned Clannfear (Morph of Summoned Familiar): Increased the healing from 35% to 42% of your max health when this pet is unsummoned or dies.

Storm Calling

Power Surge (Morph of Surge): You now restore 49% instead of 40% of your critical strike damage when hitting enemies critical

Ball of Lightning (Morph of Bolt Escape): Increased the duration of the Orb from 1.5 seconds to 2.5 seconds.



Please everyone, check other classes for unnanounced changes to passive skills and active abilities. Read the tooltips and add everything.

Dracane

And here a short comparison between the same light armor in 1.6 and with the light armor buff from the latest update. (Sorry that it looks so ugly, I just mixed a few random high level light armor pieces that I had in my bag)

Draehl

2.5 seconds is about right. It's enough for BoL to actually cover your escape, but not so much you can turtle behind it and cheese other casters. Good, reasonable buff.

GreyRanger

Nice catch on those changes, too bad none of them address the promised buffs to stamina sorcerers.

Quick question, is the heal on Blood Magic per cast or per target hit (so Encase could do a real heal in an AOE context)?

Dracane

@Draehl I agree. 2,5 seconds is reasonable and perfectly valid.

I also can confirm, that damage shields in Cyrodiil now work as intended. Their values are correctly reduced by 50%.
8k Hardened ward with average Magicka. So 1 or max 2 hits and it breaks

If there are still people compaining now, then I don't know what to say

-Overload exploit still in the game.

k2blader

Dracane wrote: »

@Draehl I agree. 2,5 seconds is reasonable and perfectly valid.

I also can confirm, that damage shields in Cyrodiil now work as intended. Their values are correctly reduced by 50%.
8k Hardened ward with average Magicka. So 1 or max 2 hits and it breaks

If there are still people compaining now, then I don't know what to say

-Overload exploit still in the game.

Thanks for all this info.

Hmm, I may keep BoL after all.. :-)

Dracane

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Draehl I agree. 2,5 seconds is reasonable and perfectly valid.

I also can confirm, that damage shields in Cyrodiil now work as intended. Their values are correctly reduced by 50%.
8k Hardened ward with average Magicka. So 1 or max 2 hits and it breaks

If there are still people compaining now, then I don't know what to say

-Overload exploit still in the game.

Thanks for all this info.

Hmm, I may keep BoL after all.. :-)

2,5 seconds still is a long safe haven against projectiles. It still requires you to accept the 4 second cost increase, or to be vulnerable for 1,5 seconds. But you also have enough time to react.

I won't be using Ball of lightning, I still think it's a mean ability. The gap between streak and Ball of Lightning has become closed now though. Ball of Lightning was too good in 1.6 and probably a bit to bad with the first pts patch.

Cathexis

BoLs main utility for stamina was the ability to cover behind it. These are nice buffs for magicka sorcs, but as a stam sorc, I'd rather have my 6 second BoL than a couple of minor tweaks to a bunch of passives and active skills that are still sub-par.

Dracane

Cathexis wrote: »

BoLs main utility for stamina was the ability to cover behind it. These are nice buffs for magicka sorcs, but as a stam sorc, I'd rather have my 6 second BoL than a couple of minor tweaks to a bunch of passives and active skills that are still sub-par.

I see this is rather not beneficial for stamina Sorcerers.
You could try to use these 2,5 seconds and close the gap between that and the 4 seconds limitation by performing a roll dodge makes you immune to all projectiles, something Magicka Sorcerer cannot do all the time. Also Evade is an essential ability for Stamina Sorcerers in my opinion. Roll doge, BoL and Evasion combined will make Magicka Sorcerers and other Mages cry.

It's possible to survive this way.

FENGRUSH

Dracane wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

BoLs main utility for stamina was the ability to cover behind it. These are nice buffs for magicka sorcs, but as a stam sorc, I'd rather have my 6 second BoL than a couple of minor tweaks to a bunch of passives and active skills that are still sub-par.

I see this is rather not beneficial for stamina Sorcerers.
You could try to use these 2,5 seconds and close the gap between that and the 4 seconds limitation by performing a roll dodge makes you immune to all projectiles, something Magicka Sorcerer cannot do all the time. Also Evade is an essential ability for Stamina Sorcerers in my opinion. Roll doge, BoL and Evasion combined will make Magicka Sorcerers and other Mages cry.

It's possible to survive this way.

Then you just have to figure out how to actually kill people.

Cathexis

Dracane wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

BoLs main utility for stamina was the ability to cover behind it. These are nice buffs for magicka sorcs, but as a stam sorc, I'd rather have my 6 second BoL than a couple of minor tweaks to a bunch of passives and active skills that are still sub-par.

I see this is rather not beneficial for stamina Sorcerers.
You could try to use these 2,5 seconds and close the gap between that and the 4 seconds limitation by performing a roll dodge makes you immune to all projectiles, something Magicka Sorcerer cannot do all the time. Also Evade is an essential ability for Stamina Sorcerers in my opinion. Roll doge, BoL and Evasion combined will make Magicka Sorcerers and other Mages cry.

It's possible to survive this way.

I already stack roll dodge, evasion, and BoL (plus orc spring bonus, plus leather speed bonus, plus sometimes bow roll dodge bonus). It doesn't, however make casters cry - it just forces them to use abilities that penentrate BoL and roll dodge (yes there are things that do that). You also have to factor in that stamina sorcs can cast only 1-2 BoLs before being completely magicka drained, so you aren't really doing roll dodges "in between" anything.

FENGRUSH

You can already roll dodge the hell out of that stuff. The things that are rough are curse/det/dawnbreaker combos. The good sorcs out there know how to do it. And beyond that, theyre one of the most tanky players with endless resources youll face. Stam sorc is weaker in all categories. Magicka sorc is welll above average - stam sorc well below it. And theyre pussyfooting with these stam sorc changes like they need to tread a fine line to keep things in balance.

k2blader

Dracane wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Draehl I agree. 2,5 seconds is reasonable and perfectly valid.

I also can confirm, that damage shields in Cyrodiil now work as intended. Their values are correctly reduced by 50%.
8k Hardened ward with average Magicka. So 1 or max 2 hits and it breaks

If there are still people compaining now, then I don't know what to say

-Overload exploit still in the game.

Thanks for all this info.

Hmm, I may keep BoL after all.. :-)

2,5 seconds still is a long safe haven against projectiles. It still requires you to accept the 4 second cost increase, or to be vulnerable for 1,5 seconds. But you also have enough time to react.

I won't be using Ball of lightning, I still think it's a mean ability. The gap between streak and Ball of Lightning has become closed now though. Ball of Lightning was too good in 1.6 and probably a bit to bad with the first pts patch.

"Mean"? Why? I think using bugged nirn is far worse. lol

Dracane

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Draehl I agree. 2,5 seconds is reasonable and perfectly valid.

I also can confirm, that damage shields in Cyrodiil now work as intended. Their values are correctly reduced by 50%.
8k Hardened ward with average Magicka. So 1 or max 2 hits and it breaks

If there are still people compaining now, then I don't know what to say

-Overload exploit still in the game.

Thanks for all this info.

Hmm, I may keep BoL after all.. :-)

2,5 seconds still is a long safe haven against projectiles. It still requires you to accept the 4 second cost increase, or to be vulnerable for 1,5 seconds. But you also have enough time to react.

I won't be using Ball of lightning, I still think it's a mean ability. The gap between streak and Ball of Lightning has become closed now though. Ball of Lightning was too good in 1.6 and probably a bit to bad with the first pts patch.

"Mean"? Why? I think using bugged nirn is far worse. lol

It was very mean in 1.6. Almost 7 seconds immunity to spell projectiles.... weak
But 2.5 seconds is manageable

k2blader

Dracane wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Draehl I agree. 2,5 seconds is reasonable and perfectly valid.

I also can confirm, that damage shields in Cyrodiil now work as intended. Their values are correctly reduced by 50%.
8k Hardened ward with average Magicka. So 1 or max 2 hits and it breaks

If there are still people compaining now, then I don't know what to say

-Overload exploit still in the game.

Thanks for all this info.

Hmm, I may keep BoL after all.. :-)

2,5 seconds still is a long safe haven against projectiles. It still requires you to accept the 4 second cost increase, or to be vulnerable for 1,5 seconds. But you also have enough time to react.

I won't be using Ball of lightning, I still think it's a mean ability. The gap between streak and Ball of Lightning has become closed now though. Ball of Lightning was too good in 1.6 and probably a bit to bad with the first pts patch.

"Mean"? Why? I think using bugged nirn is far worse. lol

It was very mean in 1.6. Almost 7 seconds immunity to spell projectiles.... weak
But 2.5 seconds is manageable

I really did not see many people complaining about BoL except maybe near the beginning of 1.6 before nirn got so popular. The counter to BoL is non-spell damage, of which there is a ton in the game. And there's plenty enough strength to Streak to choose that morph instead. Whatever the case, I'm ok with the change to 2.5 seconds.

Cathexis

FENGRUSH wrote: »

You can already roll dodge the hell out of that stuff. The things that are rough are curse/det/dawnbreaker combos. The good sorcs out there know how to do it. And beyond that, theyre one of the most tanky players with endless resources youll face. Stam sorc is weaker in all categories. Magicka sorc is welll above average - stam sorc well below it. And theyre pussyfooting with these stam sorc changes like they need to tread a fine line to keep things in balance.

I know right? It's like "oh you guys are doing just fine, we just need to tweak you a little bit"

It's straight up [split] and yout can tell it's just pandering to these [snip] hole sorcs who think adding stamina changes will somehow nuke the class.

Dracane wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Draehl I agree. 2,5 seconds is reasonable and perfectly valid.

I also can confirm, that damage shields in Cyrodiil now work as intended. Their values are correctly reduced by 50%.
8k Hardened ward with average Magicka. So 1 or max 2 hits and it breaks

If there are still people compaining now, then I don't know what to say

-Overload exploit still in the game.

Thanks for all this info.

Hmm, I may keep BoL after all.. :-)

2,5 seconds still is a long safe haven against projectiles. It still requires you to accept the 4 second cost increase, or to be vulnerable for 1,5 seconds. But you also have enough time to react.

I won't be using Ball of lightning, I still think it's a mean ability. The gap between streak and Ball of Lightning has become closed now though. Ball of Lightning was too good in 1.6 and probably a bit to bad with the first pts patch.

"Mean"? Why? I think using bugged nirn is far worse. lol

It was very mean in 1.6. Almost 7 seconds immunity to spell projectiles.... weak
But 2.5 seconds is manageable

If you actually look at the number of spell projectiles it actually reflects you would see that it has a minimal defensive impact.

It basically protects protects you from shards, one destroy staff ability, and staff attacks. Maybe a couple other things.

[Edit to remove profanity]

Darnathian

How can you say buffs are fair? Any buff to one of the top two classes while the underdogs get nerfed is rediculous. How is this even fun for you?

And I am not biased either. no love for stam sorcs? Screw this game.

And yes people will still complain. They nerfed all shields and damage. So how does it help that the 50% reduction is working if it was for all shields as well as damage? Honestly what am I missing here?

Xael

Darnathian wrote: »

How can you say buffs are fair? Any buff to one of the top two classes while the underdogs get nerfed is rediculous. How is this even fun for you?

And I am not biased either. no love for stam sorcs? Screw this game.

And yes people will still complain. They nerfed all shields and damage. So how does it help that the 50% reduction is working if it was for all shields as well as damage? Honestly what am I missing here?

Calling DKs underdogs is total horseshit.
The only reason people call them underdogs is the legion of morons posting "NB/Sorc are OP" crap. There are plenty of DKs that still make Cyrodiil their toilet.

Darnathian

Xael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

How can you say buffs are fair? Any buff to one of the top two classes while the underdogs get nerfed is rediculous. How is this even fun for you?

And I am not biased either. no love for stam sorcs? Screw this game.

And yes people will still complain. They nerfed all shields and damage. So how does it help that the 50% reduction is working if it was for all shields as well as damage? Honestly what am I missing here?

Calling DKs underdogs is total horseshit.
The only reason people call them underdogs is the legion of morons posting "NB/Sorc are OP" crap. There are plenty of DKs that still make Cyrodiil their toilet.

Ya. The ones with 500 cp's. Lol.

Do you consider sypher a top dk? Well you should. Did you see his latest video? Dk's are a joke. What game are you playing? A dk emp just lost to a sorc. Lol. Come on.

Dracane

@Darnathian

Omg, always your persimistic Anarchy talks -.-
You don't even attempt understanding other people and you don't even try understanding, how classes work and how each class was designed. I'm not going to waste my breath explaining myself to you, it's pointless.

So you're seriously shouting at me, because I said giving BoL 1 second more duration is fair ?
Please....

Erock25

Darnathian wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

How can you say buffs are fair? Any buff to one of the top two classes while the underdogs get nerfed is rediculous. How is this even fun for you?

And I am not biased either. no love for stam sorcs? Screw this game.

And yes people will still complain. They nerfed all shields and damage. So how does it help that the 50% reduction is working if it was for all shields as well as damage? Honestly what am I missing here?

Calling DKs underdogs is total horseshit.
The only reason people call them underdogs is the legion of morons posting "NB/Sorc are OP" crap. There are plenty of DKs that still make Cyrodiil their toilet.

Ya. The ones with 500 cp's. Lol.

Do you consider sypher a top dk? Well you should. Did you see his latest video? Dk's are a joke. What game are you playing? A dk emp just lost to a sorc. Lol. Come on.

You really don't think the Sorc and NB causing people to come to these class balance conclusions don't have 500 CP too?

Draehl

Cathexis wrote: »

BoLs main utility for stamina was the ability to cover behind it. These are nice buffs for magicka sorcs, but as a stam sorc, I'd rather have my 6 second BoL than a couple of minor tweaks to a bunch of passives and active skills that are still sub-par.

Yeah, they really need to give Stam Sorcs some type of conal lightning attack or something. That said 6s BoL was 1000% BS against other casters. Maybe Stam Sorcs needed it, but there are other ways to buff =D

Huggalump

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Stikato

Huggalump wrote: »

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Ugh. So true, so brutal. What is the point is testing this patch? It's just a big FU to every stam sorc. New Thundering Presence is a joke. I've already respecced out of it. Way too much of a stam drain. With roll dodge, werewolf, and block nerfs, stam is at an absolute premium.

Dracane

Huggalump wrote: »

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Not necessearily. All Sorcerer profit from.. 1%... more...Healing when hitting enemies with blood magic.
Sorcerer tanks profit from the Clannfear (who are Stamina based)
Not sure if they also raised the healing received of Critical surge, this helps stamina Sorcerers.
1 Second more Ball of Lightning helps Stamina Sorcerer.

kkampaseb17_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Not necessearily. All Sorcerer profit from.. 1%... more...Healing when hitting enemies with blood magic.
Sorcerer tanks profit from the Clannfear (who are Stamina based)
Not sure if they also raised the healing received of Critical surge, this helps stamina Sorcerers.
1 Second more Ball of Lightning helps Stamina Sorcerer.

Critical Surge is actually bugged atm and gives less than 500 HPS with 52.2% critical chance, Shadow mundus and about 13-14k DPS from single target NON-DOT attacks. That is in Cyrodiil.

Dracane

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Not necessearily. All Sorcerer profit from.. 1%... more...Healing when hitting enemies with blood magic.
Sorcerer tanks profit from the Clannfear (who are Stamina based)
Not sure if they also raised the healing received of Critical surge, this helps stamina Sorcerers.
1 Second more Ball of Lightning helps Stamina Sorcerer.

Critical Surge is actually bugged atm and gives less than 500 HPS with 52.2% critical chance, Shadow mundus and about 13-14k DPS from single target NON-DOT attacks. That is in Cyrodiil.

I've heared about that. That's annoying indeed, but a bug after all that is going to be fixed.
It's pts, bugs appear every day

Huggalump

Dracane wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Not necessearily. All Sorcerer profit from.. 1%... more...Healing when hitting enemies with blood magic.
Sorcerer tanks profit from the Clannfear (who are Stamina based)
Not sure if they also raised the healing received of Critical surge, this helps stamina Sorcerers.
1 Second more Ball of Lightning helps Stamina Sorcerer.

I don't know why you quoted me, none of the things you mentioned are the stam sorc tweaks they said are coming in the live stream.

And did you mean Clanfear can be stamina based now or am I misreading that?

Dracane

Huggalump wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Not necessearily. All Sorcerer profit from.. 1%... more...Healing when hitting enemies with blood magic.
Sorcerer tanks profit from the Clannfear (who are Stamina based)
Not sure if they also raised the healing received of Critical surge, this helps stamina Sorcerers.
1 Second more Ball of Lightning helps Stamina Sorcerer.

I don't know why you quoted me, none of the things you mentioned are the stam sorc tweaks they said are coming in the live stream.

And did you mean Clanfear can be stamina based now or am I misreading that?

I was talking to you
You said, stamina Sorcs got nothing. They got nothing specific, neither did Magicka Sorcerer. But all these changes are healthy for stamina Sorcs as well. That's what I meant

Huggalump

Dracane wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Not necessearily. All Sorcerer profit from.. 1%... more...Healing when hitting enemies with blood magic.
Sorcerer tanks profit from the Clannfear (who are Stamina based)
Not sure if they also raised the healing received of Critical surge, this helps stamina Sorcerers.
1 Second more Ball of Lightning helps Stamina Sorcerer.

I don't know why you quoted me, none of the things you mentioned are the stam sorc tweaks they said are coming in the live stream.

And did you mean Clanfear can be stamina based now or am I misreading that?

I was talking to you
You said, stamina Sorcs got nothing. They got nothing specific, neither did Magicka Sorcerer. But all these changes are healthy for stamina Sorcs as well. That's what I meant

right, ok I see. Right, there were things changed. Nothing that will make a difference addressing the actual problems stamina sorcs face. But yes, there were things that were changed.

Dracane

Huggalump wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Huggalump wrote: »

So they made a bunch of unannounced tweaks to magic sorcs, but didn't make any of the announced tweaks to stam sorcs.

neat

Not necessearily. All Sorcerer profit from.. 1%... more...Healing when hitting enemies with blood magic.
Sorcerer tanks profit from the Clannfear (who are Stamina based)
Not sure if they also raised the healing received of Critical surge, this helps stamina Sorcerers.
1 Second more Ball of Lightning helps Stamina Sorcerer.

I don't know why you quoted me, none of the things you mentioned are the stam sorc tweaks they said are coming in the live stream.

And did you mean Clanfear can be stamina based now or am I misreading that?

I was talking to you
You said, stamina Sorcs got nothing. They got nothing specific, neither did Magicka Sorcerer. But all these changes are healthy for stamina Sorcs as well. That's what I meant

right, ok I see. Right, there were things changed. Nothing that will make a difference addressing the actual problems stamina sorcs face. But yes, there were things that were changed.

Hey, Magicka Sorcerers have problems as well