Breton race needs a buff

cmabouaf

Compared to other races, Bretons this patch are pretty underpowered. 3% magica cost reduction and almost 4000 spell resistance isnt much of a bonus. I'm thinking that maybe bretons should get atleast an overall 3% reduction for ult, stam, and magica cost might be a little bit better, and just unique enough for people to possibly play breton instead of always picking high elf.

MrGrimey

Agreed, the 3% cost reduction was fine when soft caps were in place, but now it's a joke. And the spell resist is nothing compared to the elemental damage passive that high elfs get

I would have never imagined that high Elf's would get buffed before Breton's, even though that buff was reverted, it was still a slap in the face that they even attempted it.

PlagueMonk

you have GOT to be kidding me......just because HEs are now the top doesn't mean Bretons are somehow in a bad place.

Argonian need a REAL buff to put them in line with even Breton's WAY before Breton's need a freakin' buff.

Be happy with what you have and thankful you are not a lizard.

Amoureros

I want it from 3% to 5% of cost reduction, 4% increased magic damage rather than spell resist.

DisgracefulMind

Amoureros wrote: »

I want it from 3% to 5% of cost reduction, 4% increased magic damage rather than spell resist.

I agree completely with this. I'd rather see a 3% increase to our cost reduction, though. So a 6% cost reduction and a 4% magic damage, or something like that. The spell resist is pretty useless now, and the cost reduction is also quite useless at the moment with the CP system.

ZoS, plz. :c

MrGrimey

PlagueMonk wrote: »

you have GOT to be kidding me......just because HEs are now the top doesn't mean Bretons are somehow in a bad place.

Argonian need a REAL buff to put them in line with even Breton's WAY before Breton's need a freakin' buff.

Be happy with what you have and thankful you are not a lizard.

Relax, nobody said Bretons are the worst and nobody said that Argonian's don't need a buff... We're just pointing out two of Breton's racial passives that need some adjustments. You can join one of the many "buff Argonians" threads if you want to talk about lizards

byrom101b16_ESO

Indeed.

3% of an ever decreasing amount of spell cost is a diminishing return.

3000 points towards far higher numbers than they were when it was designed is again, diminishing in return.

Other class bonuses generally add percentage increases to ever growing pools, so those class bonuses get better over time.

Breton's just get gradually worse.

Draehl

I'd say a slight one and I wouldn't necessarily call it buff, but as mentioned- maybe change the spell resist to -9% spell damage received or the like so it can actually be useful in PvP where penetration is rampant. I don't see this being OP in the least as Nords are getting 9% to ALL damage...

shadowcoder

PlagueMonk wrote: »

you have GOT to be kidding me......just because HEs are now the top doesn't mean Bretons are somehow in a bad place.

Argonian need a REAL buff to put them in line with even Breton's WAY before Breton's need a freakin' buff.

Be happy with what you have and thankful you are not a lizard.

My main is a breton and I absolutely agree with you. Bretons are fine the way they are.

Paulhewhewria

My verdict is wait till Argonian is fixed then we'll talk about getting more for others. Personally I can't tell if it needs a buff or not,but I'm leaning towards that its fine where it is.

Anazasi

5% or even 8% reduction wouldn't be over powered. I would up the spell resist to 8k though. By doing this it maintains the integrity of the race.

MrGrimey

Yup, Breton pretty much has 1 real passive and that's Gift of Magnus, the other two passives have been made obsolete by either game mechanics, soft cap removal and champion points.

A buff to those useless passive's is certainly not an unreasonable request

IxSTALKERxI

Didn't they say they are reverting the buff on high elf next patch? The only reason Breton would need to be changed would be to be balanced with High Elf. Breton is strong for healers, templars and nbs. 3% cost reduction is a strong stat if you spam skills. Also spell resistance is nice now that it is harder to stack spell pen. High Elf is still better if you do elemental damage. Honestly I don't think Breton is that bad at all.

danno8

OR, they could stop buffing the hell out of racial passives that make your choice of race a MAJOR decision rather than a minor one that is suppose to be more for style than substance.

Like 21% stamina regeneration for instance, among others. It has just become too much.

Djeriko

The race passives are lore based. Bretons always had increased magic skill and increased magic resistance. Just because you want it changed doesn't mean is lore appropriate. If you really want to get specific, high elves were the best casters but they also had a weakness to magic. Bretons already by far the most versatile race. No buffs are needed. This is coming from an all Breton race player since Morrowind. So to recap, if it doesn't have anything to do with magic, Bretons have no history for it.

MrGrimey

Djeriko wrote: »

The race passives are lore based. Bretons always had increased magic skill and increased magic resistance. Just because you want it changed doesn't mean is lore appropriate. If you really want to get specific, high elves were the best casters but they also had a weakness to magic. Bretons already by far the most versatile race. No buffs are needed. This is coming from an all Breton race player since Morrowind. So to recap, if it doesn't have anything to do with magic, Bretons have no history for it.

Screw balance, let's just let "lore" and "immersion" to continue ruin the game... Good logic

Dekkameron

Imo racial passives should be at best fairly minor, especially considering who the character we in the game are playing.. I mean they start off not knowing even how to cook anything.. What are these people fresher students?

So on that point, any actual bonuses a race would have is PURELY on genetics..

MrGrimey

So should we be asking to nerf stronger racials like High elfs and imperials to bring them closer inline with Breton passives instead? Because those passives are more than a "minor buff"

Forestd16b14_ESO

I'm assuming you haven't looked at Argonians passives on live and there so called better passives on PTS.

MrGrimey

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm assuming you haven't looked at Argonians passives on live and there so called better passives on PTS.

And how many threads are there asking for Argonians buffs?

Just because one race has extremely bad racials, doesn't mean others have to as well. Argonians need a buff as well as Bretons.

3% spell cost reduction and 4k spell resist are just about as useless as increased swim speed.

Forestd16b14_ESO

MrGrimey wrote: »

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Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm assuming you haven't looked at Argonians passives on live and there so called better passives on PTS.

And how many threads are there asking for Argonians buffs?

Just because one race has extremely bad racials, doesn't mean others have to as well. Argonians need a buff as well as Bretons.

3% spell cost reduction and 4k spell resist are just about as useless as increased swim speed.

True but Argonians need one way more than Bretons atleast 3% spell reduction and 4K spell res is still far more useful than swim speed or another 100 points from drinking a potion.

hammayolettuce

The only issue I have with Bretons currently is that before when there was no CP system they were a top contender for magicka users. Now with CP their cost reduction and spell resist passive is easily attainable with only a few CP. While the damage increase for High Elf takes an extreme amount more.

I understand people bring up lore and other arguments related to that topic, however this is an MMO and not a single player experience. ZOS is clearly striving for as equal as an experience as possible, even though they drop the ball at times.

All Bretons would need is:

• Magicka Mastery Currently - Reduces the magicka cost of spells by: 1/2/3%
• Magicka Mastery Proposed Change - Reduces the magicka cost of spells by: 1/3/6%

The change would allow for proper percent decreases through leveling and then once end game is achieved have a minor increase over others who have similar CP.

Faulgor

Djeriko wrote: »

The race passives are lore based. Bretons always had increased magic skill and increased magic resistance. Just because you want it changed doesn't mean is lore appropriate. If you really want to get specific, high elves were the best casters but they also had a weakness to magic. Bretons already by far the most versatile race. No buffs are needed. This is coming from an all Breton race player since Morrowind. So to recap, if it doesn't have anything to do with magic, Bretons have no history for it.

Orcs used to have spell resistance too. Would really like to have that back.

But if we want to go with the lore, Bretons should have a passive for better shield spells as well. Although I don't think this will find a lot of supporters ...

Springt-Über-Zwerge

My templar is Breton and I honestly think Bretons is one of the classes that are well rounded and dont need any changes to be made. Better look at the Argonian passives. My Tempkar was supposed to be an Argonian but as I saw these passives I decided to not do so. Even with the buff they get they are still by far the worst race in game.

eliisra

Breton isn't underpowered compared to all races. It's a pretty well-rounded race.

It's however underperforming slightly compared to the other 2 races with magicka bonuses.

Only advantage of picking Breton over Altmer and even Dunmer, is being cute lol. It's the prettiest race in the game.

Adding maybe 3% more cost reduction would make it more equal.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

eliisra wrote: »

Breton isn't underpowered compared to all races. It's a pretty well-rounded race.

It's however underperforming slightly compared to the other 2 races with magicka bonuses.

Only advantage of picking Breton over Altmer and even Dunmer, is being cute lol. It's the prettiest race in the game.

Adding maybe 3% more cost reduction would make it more equal.

Dunmer and high elves are just better for sorcs and dks for templars and nightblades bretons are as good as high elven if not even better because both classes dont have elemental damage so the bonus damage will just increase the damage of the destruction staff if you use it

Cookiethief

Breton here on all my characters besides my DK, i think bretons are fine the way they are...... but zeni buff them by all means, i aint gunna stop ya

F7sus4

cmabouaf wrote: »

Compared to other races, Bretons this patch are pretty underpowered.

No, they are not. Argonians are.

OtarTheMad

Bretons are still one of the more popular races in the game. You saw that they made Altmer and Bosmer's passives a little more lore-friendly/slight buff and the forums went insane. (Thanks again btw ) That buff lasted a whole 30 seconds. I don't see them doing anything with Bretons.

Djeriko

MrGrimey wrote: »

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Djeriko wrote: »

The race passives are lore based. Bretons always had increased magic skill and increased magic resistance. Just because you want it changed doesn't mean is lore appropriate. If you really want to get specific, high elves were the best casters but they also had a weakness to magic. Bretons already by far the most versatile race. No buffs are needed. This is coming from an all Breton race player since Morrowind. So to recap, if it doesn't have anything to do with magic, Bretons have no history for it.

Screw balance, let's just let "lore" and "immersion" to continue ruin the game... Good logic

This was my fear when ES decided to make a MMO. You let these guys who know nothing of the world of ES just walk all over it thinking its WOW or SWTOR. Balance is all well and good but when you screw with lore of a game that is an RPG, it ruins the game. After all it follows a "Role" that you "Play" in a universe with it's own history. If someone suddenly decided that all future jedi games couldn't use the force in the star wars universe, I wonder how the fans would react....

Bretons are by far the Jack of all Trades in the game. The game revolves around magic which means you can play Bretons easily in all 4 classes with lasting power with spell resist and ease of casting dmg spells. Bretons don't need to be buffed at all. If you are having trouble staying alive as a Breton, you are playing very badly.

Emma_Overload

I would pay anything to switch to an Altmer... it's that bad.