[FIXED] Mist Form can't be canceled with the ESC key like on Live?

cjthibs

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

I'm not at my system that has ESO on it right now...but if I'm not mistaken the ESC key has nothing to do with combat...why would it do this?

Seems like this is probably an oversight that was corrected.

I would argue that the only "oversight" is the fact that there isn't a simple way to cancel a cast in the first place. It doesn't make sense to have to "pay" for a cancelled cast with a stamina block when you already payed magicka for the cast in the first place. The mandatory 1 second snare from the block just adds insult to injury.

Animation cancelling itself was an oversight. (Which ZOS embraced for the time-being but has since implied it will be going away.)

I would say if it stays, it should cost. Every action should effect your resources, and cancelling an in-progress action I would classify as an action. (Hopefully they just make cancelling impossible.)

kaithuzar

IMO "cast cancelling" should have never been "a thing" to begin with. If you can hit a button & get 100% of the bonuses with none of the drawbacks how is that NOT OP???
Mist form spammers have always been more annoying than dodge rollers so hopefully this change means it is NOW FIXED.

@Emma_Eunjung sorry you found a niche & built around it now time to l2p

-a fellow vamp

Emma_Overload

kaithuzar wrote: »

IMO "cast cancelling" should have never been "a thing" to begin with. If you can hit a button & get 100% of the bonuses with none of the drawbacks how is that NOT OP???
Mist form spammers have always been more annoying than dodge rollers so hopefully this change means it is NOW FIXED.

@Emma_Eunjung sorry you found a niche & built around it now time to l2p

-a fellow vamp

LOL, what? Sorcs have been cancelling Dark Exchange and its morphs since launch. It doesn't make sense to wait 4 seconds for a spell to end when you only needed it run for 2 seconds.

"If you can hit a button & get 100% of the bonuses with none of the drawbacks how is that NOT OP???"

I don't think you even understand what is being discussed here. Firstly, you don't get 100% of anything if you cancel Mist Form after 50% of the cast time has elapsed, you get a Mist Form that is only 2 seconds long. Secondly, your magicka regen is ZERO during those 2 seconds just like you'd expect.

Emma_Overload

cjthibs wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

I'm not at my system that has ESO on it right now...but if I'm not mistaken the ESC key has nothing to do with combat...why would it do this?

Seems like this is probably an oversight that was corrected.

I would argue that the only "oversight" is the fact that there isn't a simple way to cancel a cast in the first place. It doesn't make sense to have to "pay" for a cancelled cast with a stamina block when you already payed magicka for the cast in the first place. The mandatory 1 second snare from the block just adds insult to injury.

Animation cancelling itself was an oversight. (Which ZOS embraced for the time-being but has since implied it will be going away.)

I would say if it stays, it should cost. Every action should effect your resources, and cancelling an in-progress action I would classify as an action. (Hopefully they just make cancelling impossible.)

OK, now I understand. You're one of these guys who doesn't like animation cancelling, so you've decided to come into a bug report thread and crap on it.

The bug described in my post has NOTHING to do animation cancelling, so please take your argument to one of the DOZENS of other threads about that particular issue.

cjthibs

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

I'm not at my system that has ESO on it right now...but if I'm not mistaken the ESC key has nothing to do with combat...why would it do this?

Seems like this is probably an oversight that was corrected.

I would argue that the only "oversight" is the fact that there isn't a simple way to cancel a cast in the first place. It doesn't make sense to have to "pay" for a cancelled cast with a stamina block when you already payed magicka for the cast in the first place. The mandatory 1 second snare from the block just adds insult to injury.

Animation cancelling itself was an oversight. (Which ZOS embraced for the time-being but has since implied it will be going away.)

I would say if it stays, it should cost. Every action should effect your resources, and cancelling an in-progress action I would classify as an action. (Hopefully they just make cancelling impossible.)

OK, now I understand. You're one of these guys who doesn't like animation cancelling, so you've decided to come into a bug report thread and crap on it.

The bug described in my post has NOTHING to do animation cancelling, so please take your argument to one of the DOZENS of other threads about that particular issue.

I do not like animation cancelling because is an unintuitive, undocumented feature that the majority of people who don't read forums would never even suspect exists. ...and no, I didn't come here to 'crap' on your thread. I came to disagree because I don't think this is even a bug. I suspect that using the ESC key to cancel a spell itself was a bug.

Just because something is convenient and you want to use it doesn't make it an intended part of game mechanics. The ESC key is used to clear targets and pull up the game menu, which doesn't have anything to do with Mist Form or any other skill mechanic.

When you use this key, does it stop the animation of Mist Form and return normal control of your character? That is exactly what animation cancelling does.

Etharian

your times up, no more exploits for you!

Emma_Overload

cjthibs wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

I'm not at my system that has ESO on it right now...but if I'm not mistaken the ESC key has nothing to do with combat...why would it do this?

Seems like this is probably an oversight that was corrected.

I would argue that the only "oversight" is the fact that there isn't a simple way to cancel a cast in the first place. It doesn't make sense to have to "pay" for a cancelled cast with a stamina block when you already payed magicka for the cast in the first place. The mandatory 1 second snare from the block just adds insult to injury.

Animation cancelling itself was an oversight. (Which ZOS embraced for the time-being but has since implied it will be going away.)

I would say if it stays, it should cost. Every action should effect your resources, and cancelling an in-progress action I would classify as an action. (Hopefully they just make cancelling impossible.)

OK, now I understand. You're one of these guys who doesn't like animation cancelling, so you've decided to come into a bug report thread and crap on it.

The bug described in my post has NOTHING to do animation cancelling, so please take your argument to one of the DOZENS of other threads about that particular issue.

I do not like animation cancelling because is an unintuitive, undocumented feature that the majority of people who don't read forums would never even suspect exists. ...and no, I didn't come here to 'crap' on your thread. I came to disagree because I don't think this is even a bug. I suspect that using the ESC key to cancel a spell itself was a bug.

Just because something is convenient and you want to use it doesn't make it an intended part of game mechanics. The ESC key is used to clear targets and pull up the game menu, which doesn't have anything to do with Mist Form or any other skill mechanic.

When you use this key, does it stop the animation of Mist Form and return normal control of your character? That is exactly what animation cancelling does.

"Animation cancelling" stops the animation without stopping the execution of the spell or ability. That is not what is under discussion here. What IS under discussion here is the act of halting the execution of a "channelling" type of spell midway through its cast time.

When you press the ESC key (on Live) during a Mist Form cast/channel, the spell effect ends immediately. As a side effect, the animation of the spell ALSO ends immediately. This is in NO WAY comparable to the "animation cancelling" issue that many people are complaining about elsewhere on the forums for the last year, where animations are cancelled OUT OF SYNC with the associated spell or ability.

I don't understand why you have an issue with the ESC key having multiple purposes, including some you may not have been aware of. The ESC key clearly is one of the most important keys in the game, because the ZOS devs made it the ONLY key you could not reassign with a keybind. The ESC key has been used in computing since the 1960's to stop or abort an action in mid execution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esc_key

I would say aborting a Mist Form with the ESC key is "working as intended" if anything is!

GreenSoup2HoT

It bum's me out Mist Form dosent regen magicka. After some research i get why this would be overpowered.
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What's going to happen to Dark Cloak now though after 1.7? How will this be any different then Mist Form befor nerf. In my opinion, i think cloak should hult magicka regen as well so magicka nightblade's can't just spam and spam.

This would hurt my own stamina nb but i believe this just make's sense.
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I use Elusive Mist on my stamina nb and i get like 2 use's before im bone dry.

However i can cloak like 4 time's (3.5k per cast / with only 8.6k total magicka /1.1k magicka regen).

I should only be able to get 2 cast's of cloak just like Mist Form since they cost roughly the same for me (3.5k cloak, 3.7k mist form). The regen during cloak let's me cloak more. So i agree Cloak should have the same treatment.

Since i'm quite satisfied with elusive mist, i only use Dark Cloak for a purge on my back bar anyway's.
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ALSO, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPRINT WITH ELUSIVE MIST! , you may get major expedition but your still suck walking. This is the least you can do since you took away Hasty Retreat/Double take combo.