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[FIXED] Mist Form can't be canceled with the ESC key like on Live?
Emma_Overload
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I just noticed on PTS that I can no longer truncate or cancel an Elusive Mist cast by hitting the Escape key. It is still possible to cancel with a Block or a Weapon Swap, but these are both problematic for the following reasons:
1) Blocking causes your toon to be snared for a second after release, defeating any distance you gained with the Elusive Mist speed boost.
2) Blocking can potentially cost Stamina and halts your Stamina Regen. This is not good when you are using Mist Form to conserve Stamina in the first place.
3) Weapon Swapping to cancel a cast implies a second Weapon Swap to revert to the original bar. This is a crucial waste of time!
4) Weapon Swapping is not a great way to cancel a cast because you can become confused as to which weapon bar you are on in the heat of battle.
On Live, my personal preference is to quickly tap (or double tap) the Escape key to cancel a Mist Form cast. The ESC key costs nothing and doesn't seem to have a cooldown. Ideally, ZOS would implement a specific "Cancel Cast" keybind that would be included in the Controls menu just for situations like this.
Regardless, I really hope ZOS takes a look at this issue and (at least) reverts to the previous behavior as present on Live.
EDIT: Edited title and body of post for clarity. The usage of the ESC key to cancel Mist Form in mid-channel is the central issue here.
UPDATE & RESOLUTION: Just re-tested on PTS 2.1.2, and I can confirm that this bug is FIXED. Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno!
1) Blocking causes your toon to be snared for a second after release, defeating any distance you gained with the Elusive Mist speed boost.
2) Blocking can potentially cost Stamina and halts your Stamina Regen. This is not good when you are using Mist Form to conserve Stamina in the first place.
3) Weapon Swapping to cancel a cast implies a second Weapon Swap to revert to the original bar. This is a crucial waste of time!
4) Weapon Swapping is not a great way to cancel a cast because you can become confused as to which weapon bar you are on in the heat of battle.
On Live, my personal preference is to quickly tap (or double tap) the Escape key to cancel a Mist Form cast. The ESC key costs nothing and doesn't seem to have a cooldown. Ideally, ZOS would implement a specific "Cancel Cast" keybind that would be included in the Controls menu just for situations like this.
Regardless, I really hope ZOS takes a look at this issue and (at least) reverts to the previous behavior as present on Live.
EDIT: Edited title and body of post for clarity. The usage of the ESC key to cancel Mist Form in mid-channel is the central issue here.
UPDATE & RESOLUTION: Just re-tested on PTS 2.1.2, and I can confirm that this bug is FIXED. Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno!
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doesnt sound THAT bad...i can weapon swap pretty damn fast even on console...but if you want put mist form on ur secondary bar so when ever you switch cancel ,it goes back to ur main bar i guess
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✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno could you please ask a dev to look into this? It is unclear whether this is a bug, an intentional change or an unintentional side effect of some other change.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Maybe @ZOS_JessicaFolsom could shed some light.... does this sound like a UI issue or a Combat issue?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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✭my question is why would you want to cast then cancel mist form to begin with....... seems pretty pointless0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭my question is why would you want to cast then cancel mist form to begin with....... seems pretty pointless
Because you can use the Mist Form to greatly mitigate an incoming attack, including one that would normally knock you down. However, you don't want to stay in Mist Form any longer than necessary because:
1) Your Magicka Regen is crippled while in Mist Form.
2) You can not heal.
3) You can't cast any spells.
I've used Mist Form/Elusive Mist in 1.6 to replace blocking COMPLETELY... 75% mitigation is like blocking in heavy armor! This is going to be even MORE important when Imperial City is released and normal blocking is severely nerfed.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
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✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »my question is why would you want to cast then cancel mist form to begin with....... seems pretty pointless
Because you can use the Mist Form to greatly mitigate an incoming attack, including one that would normally knock you down. However, you don't want to stay in Mist Form any longer than necessary because:
1) Your Magicka Regen is crippled while in Mist Form.
2) You can not heal.
3) You can't cast any spells.
I've used Mist Form/Elusive Mist in 1.6 to replace blocking COMPLETELY... 75% mitigation is like blocking in heavy armor! This is going to be even MORE important when Imperial City is released and normal blocking is severely nerfed.
then maybe that right there is why they stopped it lol No offense! Kudos on that technique! Very impressive, would love to see it in action.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »my question is why would you want to cast then cancel mist form to begin with....... seems pretty pointless
Because you can use the Mist Form to greatly mitigate an incoming attack, including one that would normally knock you down. However, you don't want to stay in Mist Form any longer than necessary because:
1) Your Magicka Regen is crippled while in Mist Form.
2) You can not heal.
3) You can't cast any spells.
I've used Mist Form/Elusive Mist in 1.6 to replace blocking COMPLETELY... 75% mitigation is like blocking in heavy armor! This is going to be even MORE important when Imperial City is released and normal blocking is severely nerfed.
then maybe that right there is why they stopped it lol No offense! Kudos on that technique! Very impressive, would love to see it in action.
Ha ha ha, you're very insightful. I've considered making a video of my "Mist Blocking" technique, but I'm scared people will call it "OP", which is the not kind of PR vampires need right now, taking all our limitations into account.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
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@OGLezard it's all about when opportunity presents itself. Those extra few seconds you can gain by being able to attack/counterattack now, vs end of cast can be huge.my question is why would you want to cast then cancel mist form to begin with....... seems pretty pointless
Should be able to cancel with block without the penalty. (The stamina regen cooldown could kick in when an actual hit is blocked or you hold block for more longer than 'self-interrupt' purposes.)
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Roselle✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »I just noticed on PTS that I can no longer truncate or cancel an Elusive Mist cast with an interrupt or by hitting the Escape key. It is still possible to cancel with a Block or a Weapon Swap, but these are both problematic for the following reasons:
1) Blocking causes your toon to be snared for a second after release, defeating any distance you gained with the Elusive Mist speed boost.
2) Blocking can potentially cost Stamina and halts your Stamina Regen. This is not good when you are using Mist Form to conserve Stamina in the first place.
3) Weapon Swapping to cancel a cast implies a second Weapon Swap to revert to the original bar. This is a crucial waste of time!
4) Weapon Swapping is not a great way to cancel a cast because you can become confused as to which weapon bar you are on in the heat of battle.
On Live, my personal preference is to quickly tap (or double tap) the Escape key to cancel a Mist Form cast. The ESC key costs nothing and doesn't seem to have a cooldown. Ideally, ZOS would implement a specific "Cancel Cast" keybind that would be included in the Controls menu just for situations like this.
Regardless, I really hope ZOS takes a look at this issue and (at least) reverts to the previous behavior as present on Live.
In response to #3... Why is this a waste of time if you use both bars just as much?
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✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »my question is why would you want to cast then cancel mist form to begin with....... seems pretty pointless
Because you can use the Mist Form to greatly mitigate an incoming attack, including one that would normally knock you down. However, you don't want to stay in Mist Form any longer than necessary because:
1) Your Magicka Regen is crippled while in Mist Form.
2) You can not heal.
3) You can't cast any spells.
I've used Mist Form/Elusive Mist in 1.6 to replace blocking COMPLETELY... 75% mitigation is like blocking in heavy armor! This is going to be even MORE important when Imperial City is released and normal blocking is severely nerfed.
then maybe that right there is why they stopped it lol No offense! Kudos on that technique! Very impressive, would love to see it in action.
Ha ha ha, you're very insightful. I've considered making a video of my "Mist Blocking" technique, but I'm scared people will call it "OP", which is the not kind of PR vampires need right now, taking all our limitations into account.
They don't need to call it OP if ZOS already nerfed it... NA Server - Kildair1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »I just noticed on PTS that I can no longer truncate or cancel an Elusive Mist cast with an interrupt or by hitting the Escape key. It is still possible to cancel with a Block or a Weapon Swap, but these are both problematic for the following reasons:
1) Blocking causes your toon to be snared for a second after release, defeating any distance you gained with the Elusive Mist speed boost.
2) Blocking can potentially cost Stamina and halts your Stamina Regen. This is not good when you are using Mist Form to conserve Stamina in the first place.
3) Weapon Swapping to cancel a cast implies a second Weapon Swap to revert to the original bar. This is a crucial waste of time!
4) Weapon Swapping is not a great way to cancel a cast because you can become confused as to which weapon bar you are on in the heat of battle.
On Live, my personal preference is to quickly tap (or double tap) the Escape key to cancel a Mist Form cast. The ESC key costs nothing and doesn't seem to have a cooldown. Ideally, ZOS would implement a specific "Cancel Cast" keybind that would be included in the Controls menu just for situations like this.
Regardless, I really hope ZOS takes a look at this issue and (at least) reverts to the previous behavior as present on Live.
In response to #3... Why is this a waste of time if you use both bars just as much?
I swear you even give care bears a bad name.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather have some different abilities on my two bars. If I'm on Bar #1 when I "Mist Block", chances are pretty good I want to STAY there because I'm using THOSE abilities, instead of switching to Bar #2 in the middle of a fight. Like many players, I have one bar set up for AOE and CC, with the other bar dedicated to single target DPS and Execute.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerWe're looking into this for you all, and will let you know if it's a bug or was intentionally changed as soon as we find out.1 -
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✭✭I am still learning to use mistform on pts, as I've never used it before. I am also trying to use it instead of blocking whenever possible, wich is not always, as I sometimes also blockcast crushing shock to finish someone off, or bolt escape to survive some radiant destruction spammers.
There is also the bug that you turn invisible whenever you cancel mistform instantly (maybe connected?).
However, I also found out that it is possible to cancel weapon swap with mistform so to say, allowing to use mistform while being on a bar without it. A bit similar to the toggle animation cancel (wich is being abused as the overload exploit), except with a "channel" instead of a toggle.
With quick planning ahead this can be useful in combat.
A second technique to mitigate the problem may be to give the order to cast an ability of the bar you are on while in mistform, then cancel with a weapon swap and cast the ability while on the other bar (the skill animation is not automatically cancelled in this case).Edited by ToRelax on August 7, 2015 2:14PMDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We're looking into this for you all, and will let you know if it's a bug or was intentionally changed as soon as we find out.
Thank you
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chevalierknight✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We're looking into this for you all, and will let you know if it's a bug or was intentionally changed as soon as we find out.
Thank you
Hope its a bugg or ill have to unslot mist that nerf brakes mist0 -
ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭Did this get hotfixed? Yesterday I was able to interrupt mist form by weapon swapping like I used to and I also didn't seem to have any becoming invisible problems afterwards. Didn't test dodge roll while misting though.0 -
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✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Did this get hotfixed? Yesterday I was able to interrupt mist form by weapon swapping like I used to and I also didn't seem to have any becoming invisible problems afterwards. Didn't test dodge roll while misting though.
These always worked...DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Did this get hotfixed? Yesterday I was able to interrupt mist form by weapon swapping like I used to and I also didn't seem to have any becoming invisible problems afterwards. Didn't test dodge roll while misting though.
No, weapon swapping and blocking still work. The main issue here is that the ESC key does not cancel Mist Form on the PTS, but it DOES work on the Live server. The ESC key has no cooldown, no cast time and no cost, so it's my preferred way to cancel a mist form.Edited by Emma_Overload on August 8, 2015 2:29PM#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭Oh ok got you. Sorry about that. I did end up becoming invisible a couple of times but I'm not sure how I did it. Probably dodge rolling while misting.Edited by ScruffyWhiskers on August 8, 2015 5:31PM0
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chevalierknight✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Did this get hotfixed? Yesterday I was able to interrupt mist form by weapon swapping like I used to and I also didn't seem to have any becoming invisible problems afterwards. Didn't test dodge roll while misting though.
These always worked...
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✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Oh ok got you. Sorry about that. I did end up becoming invisible a couple of times but I'm not sure how I did it. Probably dodge rolling while misting.
Yeah, that's a separate issue, but it's happened to me, too. It seems to happen when I'm firing off a lot of different abilities right before Mist Form, so I'm not sure what causes that. That's a pretty bad bug, because it seems like you have to log out and log back in to get rid of it.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Oh ok got you. Sorry about that. I did end up becoming invisible a couple of times but I'm not sure how I did it. Probably dodge rolling while misting.
Yeah, that's a separate issue, but it's happened to me, too. It seems to happen when I'm firing off a lot of different abilities right before Mist Form, so I'm not sure what causes that. That's a pretty bad bug, because it seems like you have to log out and log back in to get rid of it.
Happens when you animation cancel mistform, with block or dodge roll, instantly after casting it. Maybe other things trigger it as well, that I am not aware of yet.
You'll be visible again after relogging or changing zone.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭erm, isn't there some exploit with mistform?.... perhaps this is to prevent that exploit or something?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭erm, isn't there some exploit with mistform?.... perhaps this is to prevent that exploit or something?
Maybe, but I kind of doubt it. If you're talking about He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, it was never proven that Mist Form had anything to do with his "exploit"... nobody knows what that guy was up to.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I can confirm that this issue persists on PTS 2.1.1.
It is still not possible to cancel Mist Form with the ESC key :'(#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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✭I'm not at my system that has ESO on it right now...but if I'm not mistaken the ESC key has nothing to do with combat...why would it do this?
Seems like this is probably an oversight that was corrected.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not at my system that has ESO on it right now...but if I'm not mistaken the ESC key has nothing to do with combat...why would it do this?
Seems like this is probably an oversight that was corrected.
I would argue that the only "oversight" is the fact that there isn't a simple way to cancel a cast in the first place. It doesn't make sense to have to "pay" for a cancelled cast with a stamina block when you already payed magicka for the cast in the first place. The mandatory 1 second snare from the block just adds insult to injury.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1