Major BUG: Certain abilities get PVP penalty twice, and become useless.

technohic

monkeymystic wrote: »

Many abilities that have both a damage part and a healing part gets hit by the 50% PVP reduction TWICE, making the ability nerfed twice has hard as intended in PVP.

Examples are Templars Puncturing Sweep which now heals for nothing due to 50% dmg penalty AND 50% healing penalty on the heal based on damage afterwards, making the healing part get nerfed twice.

Abilities tested so far that suffer from this is BUG:

• NB: Swallowing Soul/Funnel Health (key ability and HoT is now useless due to 2x penalty), Soul Tether (needs more testing).

• Templar: Blazing Shield, Puncturing Sweep (both key abilities that become useless in dmg return and heal return, respectively)
  

• DK: Draw Essence (Now a joke), Burning Embers.
  

• Sorc: Surge.

There are still probably many more abilities affected by this.

This NEEDS to be fixed, or it screws royally over balance compared to abilities like Flame Lash, where the healing part does NOT get penalty twice because it is not factored based on damage, another factor etc.


SOLUTION TO FIX: Either fix the penalty hitting twice, or make each factor separate from each other in the abilities mentioned. Instead of for example "heal 25% of damage done", change it to a seperate factor that scales the same way (so it heals the same) but does not rely on dmg done for 2x penalties.

This definitely needs to be addressed. Should have a long time ago but it's going too far now.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Let's hope their code is not convoluted, brittle or otherwise difficult to maintain. If that is the case, things like this can be a nightmare to fix.

Xsorus

monkeymystic wrote: »

Many abilities that have both a damage part and a healing part gets hit by the 50% PVP reduction TWICE, making the ability nerfed twice has hard as intended in PVP.

Examples are Templars Puncturing Sweep which now heals for nothing due to 50% dmg penalty AND 50% healing penalty on the heal based on damage afterwards, making the healing part get nerfed twice.

Abilities tested so far that suffer from this is BUG:

• NB: Swallowing Soul/Funnel Health (key ability and HoT is now useless due to 2x penalty), Soul Tether (needs more testing).

• Templar: Blazing Shield, Puncturing Sweep (both key abilities that become useless in dmg return and heal return, respectively)
  

• DK: Draw Essence (Now a joke), Burning Embers.
  

• Sorc: Surge.

There are still probably many more abilities affected by this.

This NEEDS to be fixed, or it screws royally over balance compared to abilities like Flame Lash, where the healing part does NOT get penalty twice because it is not factored based on damage, another factor etc.


SOLUTION TO FIX: Either fix the penalty hitting twice, or make each factor separate from each other in the abilities mentioned. Instead of for example "heal 25% of damage done", change it to a seperate factor that scales the same way (so it heals the same) but does not rely on dmg done for 2x penalties.

Yea, I had Deep Breath on my bar...bloody was healing for 400ish in PvP..that means if I hit like 3 people..it'll heal for 1200 if i'm lucky

Completely useless

hrothbern

I just cannot believe that this hitting twice, resulting in a double nerf, has been the intention.

But I do not understand why ZOS does keep the tension AND the frustration awake, by not being responsive a bit faster...

Tankqull

hrothbern wrote: »

I just cannot believe that this hitting twice, resulting in a double nerf, has been the intention.

But I do not understand why ZOS does keep the tension AND the frustration awake, by not being responsive a bit faster...

they are busy with elemenatary school math curses.

Xeniph

Tankqull wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

I just cannot believe that this hitting twice, resulting in a double nerf, has been the intention.

But I do not understand why ZOS does keep the tension AND the frustration awake, by not being responsive a bit faster...

they are busy with elemenatary school math curses.

What the hexadecimal is a math curse? (Like that?)

monkeymystic

Tankqull wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

I just cannot believe that this hitting twice, resulting in a double nerf, has been the intention.

But I do not understand why ZOS does keep the tension AND the frustration awake, by not being responsive a bit faster...

they are busy with elemenatary school math curses.

I'm suprised they still haven't responded on something this major. It's basically making a lot of the abilities in the game completely useless in pvp. It's also screwing over the balance between classes even further, since many of these abilities are key factors in each class.

Been subbing since it went f2p, but now I'm starting to really lose hope in this mess.

timidobserver

MissBizz wrote: »

Yeah, it seems my blazing shield blows up on the first hit

Wait until it can be crit. Then it will blow up on the first hit and you'll probably have your health halved as well from that same first hit.

SeptimusDova

Blazing Shield inversion. You lose 50% health upon activation. And another 50 percent upon detonation.Kinda like a certain vest in R/L.


No response yet.
Silence can be from mere oversight
Silence can be from workload
Silence can also be Dismissal.

People are doing alot of gambling with what players will endure.

A Camel can carry alot of straw. But one to many and now you have to take your Camel to a vet.

Domander

Something should be done so that abilities don't get double debuffed from battle spirit. It makes these kinds of abilities "bad" to use in pvp, and I would hope that the devs do not want that to happen.

Iyas

push

Tankqull

still no response from ZOS?


so bump from page 3

Elijah_Crow

This needs to be addressed @ZOS_GinaBruno. Please be sure it is not missed.

Radburn

Puncturing Sweeps and Sun Shield were two skills I relied on as a Templar - this is very disheartening to me...

Aunatar

WTB 1.5

Draehl

bump

ZOS_GinaBruno

Hey all, just want to let you know that we are looking into all the abilities reported, and will let you know when we have an update.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Saturn wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

Many abilities that have both a damage part and a healing part gets hit by the 50% PVP reduction TWICE, making the ability nerfed twice has hard as intended in PVP.

Examples are Templars Puncturing Sweep which now heals for nothing due to 50% dmg penalty AND 50% healing penalty on the heal based on damage afterwards, making the healing part get nerfed twice.

Other abilities tested so far that suffer from this is BUG:

NB: Swallowing soul (Key ability and HoT is now useless due to 2x penalty), Soul Tether (needs more testing).

Templar: Blazing Shield, puncturing sweep (both key abilities that become useless in dmg return and heal return, respectively)

DK: Draw essence (Now a joke)

Sorc: Not yet tested.

This NEEDS to be fixed, or it screws royally over balance compared to abilities like Flame Lash, where the healing part does NOT get penalty twice because it is not factored based on damage, another factor etc.

I haven't tested it, but this would mean Burning Embers (DK ability) gets a nerf too, "35% of damage done when effect ends heals you". I assume on players this would get the double nerf too.

You didn't mention Entropy.

Elijah_Crow

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just want to let you know that we are looking into all the abilities reported, and will let you know when we have an update.

Thank you Gina! You are awesome.

Domander

Healing ward gets hit twice.

Dominoid

Cinbri wrote: »

Same thing with Radiant Glory - healing ticks in execute mode lower than enemy light attacks.

Don't forget this one!

IxSTALKERxI

The battlespirit buff is a lazy way of balancing pvp and causes more problems than it solves.

-remove battlesprit except perhaps the range bonus on 28m abilities.
-nerf base damage and heals of every ability in the game by 50%
-give everyone up to 4k more base health (scaling with level)
-Reduce all NPC's health in the game by 50%
-Reduce all NPC's damage and healing in the game by 50%
-Increase NPC's damage slightly to balance with the extra health of players
-Further tweak each ability in the game until it's balanced.

(^Not sure if it would all balance out in the end but you get the idea... make it work.)

Balance everything around pvp and then adjust the pve content to match.

Alcast

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

Let's hope their code is not convoluted, brittle or otherwise difficult to maintain. If that is the case, things like this can be a nightmare to fix.

Why do you think penetration bug is not fixed yet? Because they dont know how and the dude that coded the stuff got prolly fired long time ago and they hae literally no freaking clue how to fix it

monkeymystic

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey all, just want to let you know that we are looking into all the abilities reported, and will let you know when we have an update.

Thank you!

This really is a concern that needs to be adressed, since it's a big balance issue that render many abilities completely pointless, while others are superior if not fixed.

IxskullzxI

Just nerfing all damage and heals seems like a bad way to "fix" things. It just causes more imbalances and makes some abilities/builds useless.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Just want to follow up and let you all know that we did investigate and confirmed an issue with the battle spirit buff affecting abilities that do damage and heal you based on the damage dealt; the heals are less effective than intended. We're working on fixing it, though - thanks again for the reports!

Robbmrp

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just want to follow up and let you all know that we did investigate and confirmed an issue with the battle spirit buff affecting abilities that do damage and heal you based on the damage dealt; the heals are less effective than intended. We're working on fixing it, though - thanks again for the reports!

Awesome! Thank you for the info.

kaithuzar

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just want to follow up and let you all know that we did investigate and confirmed an issue with the battle spirit buff affecting abilities that do damage and heal you based on the damage dealt; the heals are less effective than intended. We're working on fixing it, though - thanks again for the reports!

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Are the heals not being as effective the only bug or did you concur with our findings about damage?
Please be aware/make a note that there are a few healing abilities which are healing nicely. For instance "Vigor" is supposed to be an "overtime dot heal" but it would appear it's giving a rather large instant burst of heal before the dot.
I didn't think this "initial burst" was supposed to happen is it?
I'll deter to the healers on this forum for their thoughts about any other healing abilities.

danno8

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just want to follow up and let you all know that we did investigate and confirmed an issue with the battle spirit buff affecting abilities that do damage and heal you based on the damage dealt; the heals are less effective than intended. We're working on fixing it, though - thanks again for the reports!

@ZOS_GinaBruno

OK, but don't forget other combinations of "does x based on y" like Blazing Shield, which does damage based on the size of the shield. With the blanket nerfs to everything in Cyrodiil, all abilities like these are affected...

danno8

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