Templars Boycot Healing

Anazasi

All Templars should boycott group healing till the class is given back its damage abilities and heals are fixed.

tinythinker

Won't work, won't happen, but yeah a lot of magicka Templars are going to be disappointed in 2.1.

Turelus

You could help by posting constructively how you feel the they have been effected, post the numbers you've seen changed in testing and then some ideas how to bring them back to a level which would be acceptable.

Posting threads like this is just more spam which doesn't help improve the game because the developers don't know what the issue you have spotted is or how you ran the numbers to find it's a true issue and not a knee-jerk reaction post.

Check my signature for a guide on how to give feedback most useful to a developer.

Anazasi

I have posted in every thread that ZOS has asked for feedback. However as we all know those who cry the most get the attention of ZOS. Look at all the nerfs RO has gotten in the past not to mention all the other abilities that are sub par, well its time to hit the players where is counts. Healing Templars are the only dedicated healers that can push 8 - 16 k burst heals in PVP. Templars have the control over win or loose and it is high time we get heard. So I call for action along with constructive opinions regarding the changes on PTS. Am I wrong? Am I simply saying I don't like it so I wont play? No I am saying stick it in every players face that complained about RO stand next to them as the die in PVP and laugh because they cried so hard to nerf something because they don't like dying to it. Maybe if the healing Templars walked off the field or simply refused to heal the other classes players would shut up and recognize that we want to be more than supporting HEALERS for their glory in battle.

technohic

Yeah, not like we have been quiet about the issues. A lot of it I do not feel is direct DPS but our shield keeps getting nerfed when it is not the problem. Our abilities that heal based on damage get nerfed. A lot of our abilities have worthless CC that is no more than a knockback that is over in an instant yet provides several seconds of CC immunity. One of our best abilities then cannot be used on targets that are CC immune even though it isn't entirely a CC.

I'm genuinely tired of saying it TBH. It's more QOL stuff that bugs me. Doubt a boycot will happen. I just don't think I will play until I see something addressed that sounds like they actually listened to us.

It's disheartening when they actually read a question from someone about biting jabs causing CC immunity due to the knock back and wanting knock back removed and their answer was "it has to give CC immunity so you cannot lock someone down." Completely oblivious to the fact that someone was not suggesting to be able to do that, but just to get rid of the damned knock back.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Anazasi wrote: »

All Templars should boycott group healing till the class is given back its damage abilities and heals are fixed.

What a well thought out post about the strengths and weaknesses of the class. I especially liked the breakdown you gave about how they are not working and your suggestions for improving it.

timidobserver

Turelus wrote: »

You could help by posting constructively how you feel the they have been effected, post the numbers you've seen changed in testing and then some ideas how to bring them back to a level which would be acceptable.

Posting threads like this is just more spam which doesn't help improve the game because the developers don't know what the issue you have spotted is or how you ran the numbers to find it's a true issue and not a knee-jerk reaction post.

Check my signature for a guide on how to give feedback most useful to a developer.

I think his post is perfect. ZOS does not listen to reasonable.

tinythinker

technohic wrote: »

Yeah, not like we have been quiet about the issues. A lot of it I do not feel is direct DPS but our shield keeps getting nerfed when it is not the problem. Our abilities that heal based on damage get nerfed. A lot of our abilities have worthless CC that is no more than a knockback that is over in an instant yet provides several seconds of CC immunity. One of our best abilities then cannot be used on targets that are CC immune even though it isn't entirely a CC.

I'm genuinely tired of saying it TBH.

Yeah, I've lobbied on behalf of templars and Argonians but other than the initial reveal of RD haven't seen much result. I think the "strike" idea is amusing, if not practical or realistic. I think, honestly, if they really gave Templars some hardcore and useful CC, then even at current damage numbers, that and the healing advantage would make the class much more competitive.

I like Unstable for example, and that they boosted the damage when it ends, but people are still just going to pop it and move on. I like the Dark Flare debuff, but so many class abilities are reflectable. It doesn't seem like Templars are awful or hopeless, more like they just need a little more of edge here or there, preferably something creative, something that is more than just damage buffs.

asteldian

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

All Templars should boycott group healing till the class is given back its damage abilities and heals are fixed.

What a well thought out post about the strengths and weaknesses of the class. I especially liked the breakdown you gave about how they are not working and your suggestions for improving it.

To be fair, there is already a 40 page long thread on Templar issues which has been going on for sometime and clearly they are not being addressed, so reposting it all is fairly tiresome and apparently pointless.

DisgracefulMind

Anazasi wrote: »

I have posted in every thread that ZOS has asked for feedback. However as we all know those who cry the most get the attention of ZOS. Look at all the nerfs RO has gotten in the past not to mention all the other abilities that are sub par, well its time to hit the players where is counts. Healing Templars are the only dedicated healers that can push 8 - 16 k burst heals in PVP. Templars have the control over win or loose and it is high time we get heard. So I call for action along with constructive opinions regarding the changes on PTS. Am I wrong? Am I simply saying I don't like it so I wont play? No I am saying stick it in every players face that complained about RO stand next to them as the die in PVP and laugh because they cried so hard to nerf something because they don't like dying to it. Maybe if the healing Templars walked off the field or simply refused to heal the other classes players would shut up and recognize that we want to be more than supporting HEALERS for their glory in battle.

Right in the feels.

kojou

Maybe stage an in game Templar protest where we all sit in front of the undaunted tent?

cazlonb16_ESO

Half of the "fixes" do not even work and the other half comes with hidden nerfs. ZOS are just trolling us.

Manoekin

DPS is weak, granted I'm heal spec but when I cast an ultimate and it doesn't go through a single hardened ward something is wrong. I'll say healing is pretty damn strong right now, but the fact that speccing entirely for DPS also gives you insane defensive capabilities because they scale off the same stat is ***. I don't think dedicated healers would be a thing if templars had useful abilities that didn't get nerfed every single patch.

A 10% damage increase to javellin means nothing because the skill is ***. The knockback from sweeps is ***, and it would be *** on jabs if jabs didn't do insane damage. Blazing spear takes 2 seconds to actually land, so good luck hitting a moving target (and even then, it doesn't go through block like it should and does no damage). Toppling charge still puts you on the opposite side of the enemy you charge, creating an artificial lag delay since tab target is broken and won't turn you to attack your target. Sun shield might as well be removed from the game since it's like a 3k shield in pvp which amounts to a light attack crit.

Reflective light/vamp bane is weak but good for the cost, not sure it finds a place on anyone's bar though? Dark flare reflect/interrupt most of the time, and really only good for the healing debuff and damage increase(though if you want the damage increase just go the other morph which is instant cast and does 0 damage). Purifying light is cool, but the effect is essentially useless in pvp. Unstable core does no damage even though it's a damage morph, total dark does slightly less damage than the damage morph and heals you which makes it infinitely better, but you can only have one up at a time now so it's useless outside duels. It also casts through immunity wasting your magicka for no effect (a side effect of the drain essence change actually being global I assume). Radiant Oppression is probably useful when the target is below a certain percent but look for it to be nerfed in another future patch because people will still die to an execute and complain that an execute killed them below a certain %.

Basically both damage tress are essentially useless if you're magicka spec. You might find a good combo in there maybe with a staff spell, but you'll never actually be doing even decent damage. You're a true support class as a magicka templar, and apparently that's all ZOS ever wants us to be.

Anazasi

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

All Templars should boycott group healing till the class is given back its damage abilities and heals are fixed.

What a well thought out post about the strengths and weaknesses of the class. I especially liked the breakdown you gave about how they are not working and your suggestions for improving it.

They could start by stopping the nerf bat on RO. If they want to do that then they need to bring the other abilities in line with other classes. Seriously none of the abilities (aside from healing) oh which they nerfed so hard this patch in pvp its not funny, are in line with other classes. Example today on PTS I saw a sorc DPS hit for 25k crystal frag. Tell me please what Templar ability hits for that much? Oh yeah my heals use to but and on a good day my RO did, but nothing else does. Yeah I had to really laugh. Another example of how things are going bad for Templars, we are the only class with a dedicated heal line. And today in IC I say a sorc healing with a resto staff, healing springs for 4k a tick. I have always been a healer and pretty good at it, but when a sorc can out heal me with a HOT its time to pack up delete and walk away. Templars are burst healers, all at once, supposedly the best healers in game, but now were back to sorc healers.

Its not my place to tell them how to fix their game. As a subscriber all I am required to do is provide feedback on noticeable issues, things that, to me appear as common sense game play. If they need me to tell them how to fix this then they need to put me on the payroll.

aco5712

yep i just started templar dps in pvp last week. Had so much fun its actually really good. 2.1 hits and all that is gone. I guess i had fun for those 3 days......

thanks zeni for breaking templar dps again xD

Mojmir

I seriously don't get why they can't divide changes between pvp and pve.and if you truly want to set the precedence and stand out amongst other mmo's don't fix(break) what isn't broken and if your gonna nerf have a decent buff to balance it. ,it's like they do it just to say they did something. do these guys even play he crap they put out?

Ezareth

Anazasi wrote: »

All Templars should boycott group healing till the class is given back its damage abilities and heals are fixed.

Epona222

I don't think you understand how boycotts are supposed to work, and whom they are supposed to affect.
How is refusing to heal going to affect Zenimax?
You really haven't thought this through.

Anazasi

The reason RO has been nerved repeatedly is due to the other classes complaining about it. If Templars refuse to heal the other classes they will have to either heal themselves or shut up. ZOS will continue to Nerf it because they already set the president, but if the Templar speak up overwhelmingly and the others are silent we actually might get some changes that are needed. You need to remember it wasn't ZOS that argued for the Nerf in the first place. It was the sorcs, nighblades and DK's that started the countless threads about our one good ability. Now they have gotten what they wanted, I think they should rewarded with healing themselves.

SeptimusDova

Epona222 third order effect.

Epona222

LOL, whatever. I intend to carry on enjoying the game.