Justice System Addition - Public Indecency

Gidorick

Moonscythe wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

My khajiit would like to inform you furless ones that we're never "nude". So as long as cats aren't subject to the silly morals of you hairless creatures, sure, go for it.

So long as the cats and lizards wear underwear as if they had something to hide then they are indecent when unclothed. On the other hand, i always thought that the Khajit and Argonians should be designed to look less human in their body plan and thus able to wear their own fur or scales with armor being different on them.

I FINALLY have a "weird lore question" for @Lawrence_Schick. Do Argonians and Khajiit have genitalia similar to Men and Mer?

AlienSlof

Gidorick wrote: »

This is a pretty quick suggestion:

If a player is running around pants-less in public and they are seen by a guard, they should get a little bounty and their wanted level should increase. This infraction should be a lesser crime than picking a lock or pickpocketing, but it should be a crime.

To prevent players from being "forced" into a style perhaps the infraction could be without pants and without shirt at the same time. That way a player could run around without one or the other as it seems to be the complete lack of both that jostles player's jimmies.

To build onto that, different cities could have decency laws to where in one prudish city they require players to have shirts, pants, and shoes... and other cities that are flying free with no laws at all! This would actually add quite a bit of life and variety to the cities of ESO.

Thoughts?

Blimey, a Gidorick idea I don't agree with! Usually I love your ideas, but not this one. We have enough prudishness in real life without dragging it into a game as well. Come on, people - we live in an enlightened age, so why are some of us still afraid of a bit of bare skin?

I'm sick of this prudish thing people have in real life. I certainly don't want any more of it added to an already skin-scared game.

Besides, I kind of enjoy the nuddie parties and have joined in with more than a few! It's fun!

CapnPhoton

It might be a good idea. But only because it would prevent people who get bored with the game, and use emotes 'creatively' on/around/next to your character in town while in their underwear.

Then once you are tagged as the offender, everybody can hit you with special sticks and knock you down (no damage) for a while. For a 24 hour period after, guards will call you, 'strange', or mention that you are now on a national public database.

'I know you. You're in that tome about hormone imbalanced people'

'Oh a shiny new coin. Better wait til you pass before I bend over to get it'

VilhelmValhalla4

I like this idea, and I think that larger additions to the Justice System would make these new laws viable (namely the addition of a jail, it would be pretty sad to be summarily executed for the crime of wearing no pants).

VoidBlue

Gidorick wrote: »

I FINALLY have a "weird lore question" for @Lawrence_Schick. Do Argonians and Khajiit have genitalia similar to Men and Mer?

if they are like the actual animals they have their junk tucked inside them until they use their muscles to spew it out via their *** bone that most animals have.

Ysne58

What about groups like the Naked Nords? @Bherdani can certainly tell you more about them. They make fighting with out armor awesome.

Gidorick

Ysne58 wrote: »

What about groups like the Naked Nords? @Bherdani can certainly tell you more about them. They make fighting with out armor awesome.

As long as they aren't naked inside cities, they wont have any problems....

Rinmaethodain

Yeah, seriously.

Tamriels is right now like mentally in middle ages, but without the church and instead bunch of pagan religions.

And judging from history books, there were more things happening in middle ages than "doing push ups above someone". You are lucky that /pushup is all we get in ESO.

Soulshine

Gidorick wrote: »

This is a pretty quick suggestion:

If a player is running around pants-less in public and they are seen by a guard, they should get a little bounty and their wanted level should increase. This infraction should be a lesser crime than picking a lock or pickpocketing, but it should be a crime.

To prevent players from being "forced" into a style perhaps the infraction could be without pants and without shirt at the same time. That way a player could run around without one or the other as it seems to be the complete lack of both that jostles player's jimmies.

To build onto that, different cities could have decency laws to where in one prudish city they require players to have shirts, pants, and shoes... and other cities that are flying free with no laws at all! This would actually add quite a bit of life and variety to the cities of ESO.

Thoughts?

If you are sure that it will also slap a bounty on everyone who says to me "play naked" when I say I want a challenge - then go for it.

Arato

.... I have bank alts that I really don't feel like getting gear for, that currently just wear costumes and considering this game it'd get buggy and only take equipped armor into account.

Psychobunni

GreySix wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

To prevent players from being "forced" into a style perhaps the infraction could be without pants and without shirt at the same time. That way a player could run around without one or the other as it seems to be the complete lack of both that jostles player's jimmies.

ooooooo @GreySix I love this one! STOLEN! For usage on some debate pages.

Mod's should let us have a meme war thread as long as it stayed related. endless thieving possibilities...

Gidorick

Arato wrote: »

.... I have bank alts that I really don't feel like getting gear for, that currently just wear costumes and considering this game it'd get buggy and only take equipped armor into account.

If ZOS were to implement a better inventory system, it would negate the perceived need for Bank Alts... and NO gameplay mechanic should be designed or stifled in the consideration of bank alts. They all came with soul shriven gear... and chearp armor is cheap.

and a naked player who is wearing a costume shouldn't be fined....

Korah_Eaglecry

Id rather see them make changes to how the Justice System works first. It annoys me to no end when I kill a lone NPC out in the middle of no where with no Guard anywhere remotely close to my location and I instantly have a bounty.

Cities, Towns and anywhere within a certain distance of Guards should definitely cause a bounty. But out on the roads and in the wilderness it should be anything goes. It is a dangerous time and a dangerous world after all. I once stole something in a house out in the middle of nowhere and the occupants attacked me. So I killed them and racked up a sizeable bounty....If it had been in a town or city I wouldnt have been annoyed with it. But who were these two going to tell between throwing their fists and getting stabbed?

Gidorick

I COMPLETELY agree @Korah_Eaglecry. If a crime isn't committed within a certain proximity of a guard, it should go un-noticed. That being said, NPCs should run away and seek help is there are no guards around.

The justice system AI really could use some tweaking.

AhPook_Is_Here

I like to go natural, so no.

Gidorick

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I like to go natural, so no.

again, in the wilderness... go nuts. But in town, put same pants on ya dirty Bosmer.

notimetocare

Gidorick wrote: »

This is a pretty quick suggestion:

If a player is running around pants-less in public and they are seen by a guard, they should get a little bounty and their wanted level should increase. This infraction should be a lesser crime than picking a lock or pickpocketing, but it should be a crime.

To prevent players from being "forced" into a style perhaps the infraction could be without pants and without shirt at the same time. That way a player could run around without one or the other as it seems to be the complete lack of both that jostles player's jimmies.

To build onto that, different cities could have decency laws to where in one prudish city they require players to have shirts, pants, and shoes... and other cities that are flying free with no laws at all! This would actually add quite a bit of life and variety to the cities of ESO.

Thoughts?

Waste of effort

Rinmaethodain

Sometimes having clothes can be actually worse than "no clothes"

Malnutrition

Psychobunni wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Sure, why not, but if you are going to go that route, why limit it to being unclothed? What about those wonderful players who /emote sit and and sit on the ground while the other player /emote pushups and does pushups with his/her head bobbing in the other players lap? There are several other examples I could give, but you get the point. Like I said in the other thread, players like these are why we can't have nice things.

My mule sits in Dhalmora crafting hut in just her tabard, she rarely ever leaves. I don't want to fully dress her She's not hurting anyone

Pantless bounties...I'm going to run around pantless to honor this

She rocks it I think, even covers her bum, I'm going to keep it until VR! TY

I'm diggin' the look!

Robo_Hobo

Gidorick wrote: »

Moonscythe wrote: »

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

My khajiit would like to inform you furless ones that we're never "nude". So as long as cats aren't subject to the silly morals of you hairless creatures, sure, go for it.

So long as the cats and lizards wear underwear as if they had something to hide then they are indecent when unclothed. On the other hand, i always thought that the Khajit and Argonians should be designed to look less human in their body plan and thus able to wear their own fur or scales with armor being different on them.

I FINALLY have a "weird lore question" for @Lawrence_Schick. Do Argonians and Khajiit have genitalia similar to Men and Mer?

Well, according to the uncensored version of 'The Real Barenziah', Male Khajiit have barbed genatilia much like how real-life felines do. Interestingly this suggests female Khajiit dont have menstruation cycles, as the barb is necessary to stimulate the ovaries or whatnot to release the egg for reproduction.

I think its just to make Argonians more understandable to our human culture in graphics but I doubt the females canonically have mammaries due to their reptilian nature and egg-birth, likewise may not have need for the wider hips but Im not very good on anatomy.

Personally, I think Argonians and Khajiit didnt wear clothes until imperial influence added that as a part of their culture, the kothringi in black marsh before they went extinct, didnt wear clothes if I recall correctly. Naturally, the Kothringi in-game we see are clothed regardless, due to obvious reasons.

Bipedal khajiit forms born to quadruped khajiit forms in the wilderness would naturally unlikely have a concept of nakedness as well.

Milktray

If a 'Public Nudity' bounty was ever introduced you can garuntee that as soon as it does, the game will be flooded with players running around nude.

BlackEar

Gidorick wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

No thanks.

I would rather they spent their time on something else.

Ahhh there's the standard response. I'm surprised it took so long!

It is a 100 % legit response and opinion to hold.

Besides, I do not think the idea you have will add anything of significant value to the game for me or the justice system as a whole.

Zorrashi

I actually like this idea. I like it when the world reacts to my actions instead of treating me like a guy who is "just around". Now if only they would do something similar with being a starved vampire....
But clothing (or lack thereof) is just as good a start. It would add a lot to this game (imo) if guards start reacting to things beyond theft/murder.

Gidorick

BlackEar wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

No thanks.

I would rather they spent their time on something else.

Ahhh there's the standard response. I'm surprised it took so long!

It is a 100 % legit response and opinion to hold.

Besides, I do not think the idea you have will add anything of significant value to the game for me or the justice system as a whole.

legitimate opinion sure, but adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. It never does. It's simply an unsupported opposing opinion. It's pretty much the "Nuh-uh" response.

Now your second sentence. That adds to the conversation!

If they had different decency laws in different cities as it would diversify the culture throughout Tamriel. I would love if different cities had different expectations of how players should act within their city walls, like towns that hate vampires, or towns with guards that harass you if you pull your weapon out in town.

Those mechanics might be a bit too much for the MMO crowd though.

Milktray wrote: »

If a 'Public Nudity' bounty was ever introduced you can garuntee that as soon as it does, the game will be flooded with players running around nude.

This is, without a doubt, true. Especially if there were any achievements associated with the nude law mechanic.

Gidorick

Zorrashi wrote: »

if guards start reacting to things beyond theft/murder.

I think, perhaps, this is the more constructive point to make. So the different things guards could react to could be...

• Varying degrees of Nudity
• Varying degrees of Vamparism

Anything else? I like the idea of guards that react if you have your weapon drawn in town but like I said, that might be too much.

Rinmaethodain

Guards should react more to spamming deadly skills in crowded area, rather than silly public nudity.

Even with turned off "do not allow killing innocents" there should be punishment for spamming deadly attack and skills in middle of city.

Zershar_Vemod

So when people are crafting, deconstructing armors, etc...they should get a bounty?

How about no.

Gidorick

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

So when people are crafting, deconstructing armors, etc...they should get a bounty?

How about no.

why are people naked when crafting, deconstructing armors, etc?

Zershar_Vemod

Gidorick wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

So when people are crafting, deconstructing armors, etc...they should get a bounty?

How about no.

why are people naked when crafting, deconstructing armors, etc?

Some of us like to deconstruct our former armor to get mats.

What kind of stupid question is that...? Should there be a penalty for swapping armor in the middle of a public place too?

Gidorick

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

So when people are crafting, deconstructing armors, etc...they should get a bounty?

How about no.

why are people naked when crafting, deconstructing armors, etc?

Some of us like to deconstruct our former armor to get mats.

What kind of stupid question is that...? Should there be a penalty for swapping armor in the middle of a public place too?

It's a legitimate question. I think the act of removing all your clothes to craft seems... odd. Divines forbid that you should have to act rationally when conducting business in a town. You could always put on a blacksmith's costume or something similar.

Regarding the swapping of armor in public... if you take your armor off, leave the equipment screen and are in the vicinity of a guard.

Yep.

Remember, this mechanic would only cause a bounty if a guard "sees" you naked.

These complaints only support the statement that this mechanic would add a level of detail and attention to play. So thanks for that.