Imperial city DLC has pve not just pvp!

Tonnopesce

bowmanz607 wrote: »

It does not seem clear to some people. Yes, this has a large pvp element to it (as it should since it is the only new content for pvp) But there is also 2 new 4-man dungeons and a public dungeon.

If i've understood right the "public dungeon " will be PVP Flagged while there are already the 2 versions of the 4 man dungeon (Normal-Veteran) and a solo PVE arena, but the arena will be inside a PVP zone ( one of the 6 IC districts).

I still don't have understood a thing: the docks will be avaible to explore? And someone with an argonian carachter using a speed buff is tecnically able to reach evry side of the IC swimming, it will be possible to enter the city without the 6 home keeps? (the only good aspect of the + swimming speed of the argonians)

Arato

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Here is my theory on v16. My guess is that removing vet ranks was much much harder then originally anticipated because it is such a fundamental system within the game. It is so closely tied to progression, gear, and most importantly player stats. Now, with the release of new content comes more difficult content. This means that they need to increase a players base stats dor the increased difficulty. However, they have not figured out how to adequately remove vet ranks. Therefore, they utilized the system already in place to uncrease a players base stats. So it came down to 2 options. One, wait until they finally nail down the removal of vet ranks and release the new content. This obviously would create frustration and uproar with the player base who already is yelling about lack of content. Two, release new content with the system they kniw how to use. Personally I prefer the latter. Now, add in the fact that the next content is mostly a pvp release and you have a lack of pve xp for new content. That said, your going to grind dailies and what not everyday if there was no new content. So what is the problem? Having to do the same content with a couple extra dungeons. That's not horrible. We could just have 0 content until vet ranks are removed. Which problem is worse. I would say lack of end game content especially pvp.

The real reason the cap was raised is as a distraction. To keep players grinding and more importantly buy xp pots from the crown store. It has nothing to do with anything other than provide an illusion of character progression for those people with low enough IQ's to still believe that an increasing number next to their portrait means their character has progressed, and sell xp pots.

bowmanz607

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

It does not seem clear to some people. Yes, this has a large pvp element to it (as it should since it is the only new content for pvp) But there is also 2 new 4-man dungeons and a public dungeon.

If i've understood right the "public dungeon " will be PVP Flagged while there are already the 2 versions of the 4 man dungeon (Normal-Veteran) and a solo PVE arena, but the arena will be inside a PVP zone ( one of the 6 IC districts).

I still don't have understood a thing: the docks will be avaible to explore? And someone with an argonian carachter using a speed buff is tecnically able to reach evry side of the IC swimming, it will be possible to enter the city without the 6 home keeps? (the only good aspect of the + swimming speed of the argonians)

I beleive the public dungeon is faction exclusive. U have to get through it to make it to the pvp part. Alsi, u still have slaughter fish so no swimming

bowmanz607

Arato wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Here is my theory on v16. My guess is that removing vet ranks was much much harder then originally anticipated because it is such a fundamental system within the game. It is so closely tied to progression, gear, and most importantly player stats. Now, with the release of new content comes more difficult content. This means that they need to increase a players base stats dor the increased difficulty. However, they have not figured out how to adequately remove vet ranks. Therefore, they utilized the system already in place to uncrease a players base stats. So it came down to 2 options. One, wait until they finally nail down the removal of vet ranks and release the new content. This obviously would create frustration and uproar with the player base who already is yelling about lack of content. Two, release new content with the system they kniw how to use. Personally I prefer the latter. Now, add in the fact that the next content is mostly a pvp release and you have a lack of pve xp for new content. That said, your going to grind dailies and what not everyday if there was no new content. So what is the problem? Having to do the same content with a couple extra dungeons. That's not horrible. We could just have 0 content until vet ranks are removed. Which problem is worse. I would say lack of end game content especially pvp.

The real reason the cap was raised is as a distraction. To keep players grinding and more importantly buy xp pots from the crown store. It has nothing to do with anything other than provide an illusion of character progression for those people with low enough IQ's to still believe that an increasing number next to their portrait means their character has progressed, and sell xp pots.

In your opinion. That could very well be the reason or it can be any number of things. Or a combination of both.

Arato

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Additionally, I had to go to pve to grind out lvl back when we had other increases. Come to pvp now and grind them out. People amaze me at how short sighted and selfish they are.

While I 100% agree that you should not have to PVE to be competitive in PVP, and that's why I really like systems like GW2's sPVP system where you can just roll a character and go straight to sPVP arenas on a level playing field with everyone else (making skill be the determining factor in how well you do against other players rather than time invested) (GW1's system was similar but you did need to unlock skills and weapon/armor upgrades.. but you could do it either through PVE OR PVP, so you never HAD to PVE to PVP, it'd just be kind of a grind in PVP where you'd start out with crappy skills unlocked and have to play through matches until you could unlock better skills)...

Requiring PVP in order to do end game PVE is not a solution. It's just making another problem rather than solving the initial problem.

delushin

Development Overlord: Ok minions give me and update on the content we plan to announce for the upcoming implementation of text chat on the con...... er I mean Imperial City content.

Programming Minion: *picking a huge green booger from his nose* ... Yes master overlord master, Well with the delay in releasing this information we have decided to add some PvE content in so we can reach a larger pool of our loyal players with some new stuff to do.

Development Overlord: Wait, what, we are giving them free stuff with the paid DLC?

Programming Minion: Well your almighty, it was already on the disc ... no wait that's Destiny. Ah here we go, yes with the success of the console release we have been able to pay the other developers to work harder.

Development Overlord: So we are doing something right then?

Programming Minion: *with extreme nervousness* Um ... well ... you could say that.

Development Overlord: *Slams fist on Table* GET ON WITH IT!

Programming Minion: We are sir, king, we are doing something right that the fans will like.

Development Overlord: Right, well then ... um I must admit I am not sure how to act in this situation, good stuff I guess.

bowmanz607

Arato wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Additionally, I had to go to pve to grind out lvl back when we had other increases. Come to pvp now and grind them out. People amaze me at how short sighted and selfish they are.

While I 100% agree that you should not have to PVE to be competitive in PVP, and that's why I really like systems like GW2's sPVP system where you can just roll a character and go straight to sPVP arenas on a level playing field with everyone else (making skill be the determining factor in how well you do against other players rather than time invested) (GW1's system was similar but you did need to unlock skills and weapon/armor upgrades.. but you could do it either through PVE OR PVP, so you never HAD to PVE to PVP, it'd just be kind of a grind in PVP where you'd start out with crappy skills unlocked and have to play through matches until you could unlock better skills)...

Requiring PVP in order to do end game PVE is not a solution. It's just making another problem rather than solving the initial problem.

Fair enough

Tonnopesce

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

It does not seem clear to some people. Yes, this has a large pvp element to it (as it should since it is the only new content for pvp) But there is also 2 new 4-man dungeons and a public dungeon.

If i've understood right the "public dungeon " will be PVP Flagged while there are already the 2 versions of the 4 man dungeon (Normal-Veteran) and a solo PVE arena, but the arena will be inside a PVP zone ( one of the 6 IC districts).

I still don't have understood a thing: the docks will be avaible to explore? And someone with an argonian carachter using a speed buff is tecnically able to reach evry side of the IC swimming, it will be possible to enter the city without the 6 home keeps? (the only good aspect of the + swimming speed of the argonians)

I beleive the public dungeon is faction exclusive. U have to get through it to make it to the pvp part. Alsi, u still have slaughter fish so no swimming

You don't have an argonian do you? slaughter fish are not a problem you reach the other side with half of the hp left. (i've already explored the IC docks)

And the public dungeon is shared between the tree factions with tree separate entrance and one exit into the IC

Vahrokh

bowmanz607 wrote: »

I respec morphs all the time cost me a whopping 1200 or less. Steal like 4 things and you get it back.

Sure:

1200 gold and super-clicking morphs everywhere and replace skills on hotbar when I log in and want to do some small scale PVP
1200 gold and super-clicking morphs everywhere and replace skills on hotbar when I need to attend to guild trials
1200 gold and super-clicking morphs everywhere and replace skills on hotbar once we are over and we do guild PvP
1200 gold and super-clicking morphs everywhere and replace skills on hotbar because guildies ask me to do vDSA and dailies.

To be honest, if I need to do a second job I'd rather get paid than to do it in a game for free.

Enodoc

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Here is my theory on v16. My guess is that removing vet ranks was much much harder then originally anticipated because it is such a fundamental system within the game. It is so closely tied to progression, gear, and most importantly player stats. Now, with the release of new content comes more difficult content. This means that they need to increase a players base stats dor the increased difficulty. However, they have not figured out how to adequately remove vet ranks. Therefore, they utilized the system already in place to uncrease a players base stats. So it came down to 2 options. One, wait until they finally nail down the removal of vet ranks and release the new content. This obviously would create frustration and uproar with the player base who already is yelling about lack of content. Two, release new content with the system they kniw how to use. Personally I prefer the latter. Now, add in the fact that the next content is mostly a pvp release and you have a lack of pve xp for new content. That said, your going to grind dailies and what not everyday if there was no new content. So what is the problem? Having to do the same content with a couple extra dungeons. That's not horrible. We could just have 0 content until vet ranks are removed. Which problem is worse. I would say lack of end game content especially pvp.

I agree with this. It's also essentially the reason Eric Wrobel gave on ESO Live for why they are increasing the VR.

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

I still don't have understood a thing: the docks will be avaible to explore? And someone with an argonian carachter using a speed buff is tecnically able to reach evry side of the IC swimming, it will be possible to enter the city without the 6 home keeps? (the only good aspect of the + swimming speed of the argonians)

There has been no mention of the Waterfront District, so I'm assuming that (at least for now) it is not included. No mention of the Arcane University either. I also think swimming to IC still won't work, as even if you are able to get to the island, there will be no way into the IC zone/instance itself.

Tonnopesce

Enodoc wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Here is my theory on v16. My guess is that removing vet ranks was much much harder then originally anticipated because it is such a fundamental system within the game. It is so closely tied to progression, gear, and most importantly player stats. Now, with the release of new content comes more difficult content. This means that they need to increase a players base stats dor the increased difficulty. However, they have not figured out how to adequately remove vet ranks. Therefore, they utilized the system already in place to uncrease a players base stats. So it came down to 2 options. One, wait until they finally nail down the removal of vet ranks and release the new content. This obviously would create frustration and uproar with the player base who already is yelling about lack of content. Two, release new content with the system they kniw how to use. Personally I prefer the latter. Now, add in the fact that the next content is mostly a pvp release and you have a lack of pve xp for new content. That said, your going to grind dailies and what not everyday if there was no new content. So what is the problem? Having to do the same content with a couple extra dungeons. That's not horrible. We could just have 0 content until vet ranks are removed. Which problem is worse. I would say lack of end game content especially pvp.

I agree with this. It's also essentially the reason Eric Wrobel gave on ESO Live for why they are increasing the VR.

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

I still don't have understood a thing: the docks will be avaible to explore? And someone with an argonian carachter using a speed buff is tecnically able to reach evry side of the IC swimming, it will be possible to enter the city without the 6 home keeps? (the only good aspect of the + swimming speed of the argonians)

There has been no mention of the Waterfront District, so I'm assuming that (at least for now) it is not included. No mention of the Arcane University either. I also think swimming to IC still won't work, as even if you are able to get to the island, there will be no way into the IC zone/instance itself.

Yeah... I forgot that is an istance

But as an example they have mentioned the prison"district" so it will not be impossible that they have added the other two zones "outside" the city.

It will be awesome to have duels on the ships in the docks district.