Official Discussion Thread for "Imperial City Launch Details"

abuniffpreub18_ESO

Well, if you want to get into PvP, here's some information you will like: Your armor doesn't damage from getting killed by other players!

See you soon!

No you won't

Like I said earlier I don't PvP, never have never will. To those that like it I'm sure you'll love the IC.

There are games that have separate servers for PvP and PvE. Also ones where you can be flagged or not for PvP. Just like here you can turn off the option to kill innocents. I'm sure they can very easily put that option here for PvP.

Enodoc

LordSteve997 wrote: »

Any info regarding the Dark Brotherhood?Also I am not really that PVP guy but I think 2500 crowns is kinda a lot why not 2000 at least?

@LordSteve997 Dark Brotherhood is planned for the future, but no details yet. 2500 Crowns is about $20 or £15, the standard price you would pay for a large DLC on a single-player game.

Iluvrien

lordrichter wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

However, I would query Craglorn being classed as a PvE update rather than as group/competitive-PvE content. While it is possible to solo a fair amount of Craglorn there are sections of the primary quest chain there that require grouping. That changes the complexion of the thing.

PVE is PVE, whether done by one player or 1000 players.

Really? Group-required Dungeon PvE, competitive PvE (leaderboards etc.) and solo questing PvE are all identical to you in terms of the play styles required? Really?

Well that's... interesting. Not sure which group you are setting out to insult here, but I have a feeling that you might be doing a good job across the board .

R3DTHR3AT

Treasure Vaults that contain new Veteran Rank 16 set jewelry and a chance for even rarer finds

ESO completely needs some really rare stuff, btw artefacts was in all last parts of Elder Scrolls.

Sobela

Well most everything looks ok this should be fun but the armor still looks...well at least I get eye holes with my burqa or yay new burlap sack to wear o joy! -_-' ....Why Bethesda must u make a game that could be great suck so VERY badly!?
I wish someone could mod the armor for this game SO bad but ja I know it can't be done Bethesda would not like that. -_-,
Really wish that the mothers of the armor designer would take a sick day or go to the spa so we could get some cuter armor.
I'm sorry all but gear aesthetics is a big thing for me.

The Uninvited

@Sobela Zenimax makes this game, not Bethesda.

Sortiarius

Awesome, more cool stuff to work for and collect. Wait .... where will I put this new stuff? My bags are already bulging with all the crafting supplies. The inventory management is by far my least desirable part of this game. Did I miss it? Is there an improvement to inventory?

Barneylee

Sobela wrote: »

Well most everything looks ok this should be fun but the armor still looks...well at least I get eye holes with my burqa or yay new burlap sack to wear o joy! -_-' ....Why Bethesda must u make a game that could be great suck so VERY badly!?
I wish someone could mod the armor for this game SO bad but ja I know it can't be done Bethesda would not like that. -_-,
Really wish that the mothers of the armor designer would take a sick day or go to the spa so we could get some cuter armor.
I'm sorry all but gear aesthetics is a big thing for me.

Don't forget, we have dye stations and we can also craft *Sets* that look awesome and dye them any colour we want (as long as we have the achievement unlocked) and the best part? we can do this as many times as we like... for FREE!

BlackEar

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So other than subsidize the development of the console release and some PvE content, what exactly have PvP players gotten out of a year of paying a monthly subscription?

The game? It was a subscription model to pay for the game, not to pay for new content after your subs ends.

@Lava_Croft It is clear that you don't understand the model.

Surragard

Excited to hear this is finally launching! I've been waiting a long time to visit my favorite locale. Fighting that Daedric Titan on the bridge was fun but it's time to get in there

Emma_Overload

MSchroeder wrote: »

I can't speak to engineering issues, but let me address some of the itemization questions.

Xael wrote: »

@ZOS_JasonLeavey @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

I am aware there will be new sets but how about sets like Ravager, Morag Tong, Shadow Walker, Archmage, etc? Will these be updated at the launch or are they to be replaced with the new sets and fade into memory (Red Mountain)? I know it took you guys months to finally give us v14 versions of these sets, will you repeat this pattern? Also will be using AP to get these items or will we now need the Tel Var Stones? If so, this makes AP rather useless, especially those of us who are saving it.

About a dozen item sets from Cyrodiil are being updated and re-released in the Rewards for the Worthy and Leaderboard reward mails, and they will be available at every Level and Veteran Rank (including VR 16). Another dozen or so Cyrodiil sets have had their statistics updated, but will not be included in those mails.

Tel Var stones can only be gained and spent inside the Imperial City.

Shall we also assume this new gear will be 'bound' on pick up? This would force players to purchase a subscription and or DLC to have access to the new items.

The item sets in the new dungeons will be Bind on Pickup. However, item sets purchased via Tel Var stones are all Bind on Equip - meaning that you can sell them on Guild Stores or trade them to other players. Further, the crafting materials found in Imperial City can also be sold or traded, and used to craft VR 15 and VR 16 gear at any crafting bench.

Are these BoP and BoE versions of the SAME sets, though, or are there two different groups of IC sets? Will solo PvEers be able to buy any IC set they want with TV stones, or are there going to be some sets that are unfairly "group-gated" like the Trial gear from AA or HRC?

WhiskeyJac

so can we kill the Daedric titan guarding the gate after IC launch ?

Attorneyatlawl

abuniffpreub18_ESO wrote: »

Well, if you want to get into PvP, here's some information you will like: Your armor doesn't damage from getting killed by other players!

See you soon!

No you won't

Like I said earlier I don't PvP, never have never will. To those that like it I'm sure you'll love the IC.

There are games that have separate servers for PvP and PvE. Also ones where you can be flagged or not for PvP. Just like here you can turn off the option to kill innocents. I'm sure they can very easily put that option here for PvP.

There already is! Just don't go into the designated RvR/AvA zones. Nothing in there requires you to ever fight another player, and every piece of equipment can be bought for gold. The point of an AvA system like ESO uses is to let people choose when or if they want to be in a PVP-enabled area or not. Even hardcore PVP'ers like to relax sometimes and gather junk, craft in town, or zone out and grind 30 minutes before they log. Likewise even the most hardcore PVE'ers enjoy hopping out to Cyrodiil a lot of the time, too. Simply having "100% danger, all the time" and "Never any danger" would be two over-the-top extremes.

Laerian

Oh great, more forced guild-social-group-pvp oriented Elders Scrolls of Camelot stuff I don't care about.

On the bright side, they'll see some numbers. If they are good selling PVP dlcs and people subscribe, so be it.

Enodoc

WhiskeyJac wrote: »

so can we kill the Daedric titan guarding the gate after IC launch ?

I doubt it, because that's not the Way In.

dsteve832b16_ESO

SO, ....

I don't PvP at all in any MMO - does this mean that the new content is unavailable to me?

I won't go near a place if there is even the possibility of PvP.

I can't do the fancy high-stress end-game repetitive group content, ...

... so at this point I don't bother with any end-game.

I have 6 chars that I level-up in succession, usually around 10 levels at a time. I take breaks from the game, so I'm only at lvl 25-35 right now.

I love the crafting, love the story and enjoy leveling-up my characters. I was hoping that maybe they would come up with some nice PvE end-game that wasn't repetitive.

Seems like I was wrong.

So my question is: Will I be able to enjoy ANY of the new content that isn't group-only with the guarantee of no PvP?

(I know that nobody cares, but I will try to explain - I simply can't deal with fighting against players. Lets just say I get enough 'challenge' with the mobs.)

dsteve832b16_ESO

abuniffpreub18_ESO wrote: »

Like I said earlier I don't PvP, never have never will. To those that like it I'm sure you'll love the IC.

There are games that have separate servers for PvP and PvE. Also ones where you can be flagged or not for PvP. Just like here you can turn off the option to kill innocents. I'm sure they can very easily put that option here for PvP.

PvP/PvE flagging system won't work here because there is no target lock.

Any griefer can simply 'hide' near PvE mobs and wait until you hit him/her.

The only answer would be to make zones that have NO PvP with clear access to and from those zones.

I cannot express how disappointed I am to know that pure PvE players are actually barred from the content.

The part that makes me really cynical is the fact that the griefers won't give a darn about the content. I highly doubt there will be many people going into this region after its 'first blush' wears off. Aside from griefers and those who need to get the way-stations to the full-group-only content.

Ysne58

BlackEar wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So other than subsidize the development of the console release and some PvE content, what exactly have PvP players gotten out of a year of paying a monthly subscription?

The game? It was a subscription model to pay for the game, not to pay for new content after your subs ends.

@Lava_Croft It is clear that you don't understand the model.

@Lava_Croft It sure does feel that way doesn't it? I also think IC should be part of the base game. I was pretty sure it wasn't going to be when the devs were completely silent as to the issue before announcing it this week. I'm not sure I want to participate in this one because I mostly PvE.

technohic

This DLC is going to be the best one they ever do as far as content, for my tastes. Do some fixes and balance tweaks right, maybe throw some other nice little twists in there to address the champion system/VR ranks and I will be a happy gamer. Might even subscribe even though I really don't need to.

mike.margesb16_ESO

FROM THEIR PROMOTIONAL EMAIL - Imperial City will be included with ESO Plus membership, or available for purchase in the ESOTU Crown Store for 2,500 crowns.

mike.margesb16_ESO

AlnilamE wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So after all this waiting. All this subscription paying. All these promises. All these delays.

You want 2500 Crowns for the Imperial City.

I cannot think of a better way ZOS could have said "go *** yourself, scrub" to loyal customers.

Pfft! They wanted 3000 crowns for a mount skin. That's actually pretty in line with what I expected the price of DLC to be.

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Looks interesting but now it looks like I have to pvp to enjoy my pve which is unfortunate.

That was always going to be the case with the Imperial City. No surprises there.

darkspyro92_ESO

So these Tel Var Stones seem like PvP exclusive currency for so called "Legendary Armor." Can it be earned in PvE or are the PvE players just not being cared about anymore?

MissBizz

mike.margesb16_ESO wrote: »

FROM THEIR PROMOTIONAL EMAIL - Imperial City will be included with ESO Plus membership, or available for purchase in the ESOTU Crown Store for 2,500 crowns.

Yes, hence why the ESO+ membership mentions it includes the DLC game packs, although keep in mind if you cancel your sub you lose access to the zone (although you keep any items you earned while you were there)

dsteve832b16_ESO

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

So these Tel Var Stones seem like PvP exclusive currency for so called "Legendary Armor." Can it be earned in PvE or are the PvE players just not being cared about anymore?

Catch-22

You don't have to do ANY PvP ...

... but you have to run around in an open-PvP area while you are doing PvE quests.

Technically, if you don't mind getting ganked every now and again (and again, and again, ...) you should be able to ... maybe, collect enough for 1/4 of the first piece before you smash your keyboard and leave the game.

Iluvrien

dsteve832b16_ESO wrote: »

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

So these Tel Var Stones seem like PvP exclusive currency for so called "Legendary Armor." Can it be earned in PvE or are the PvE players just not being cared about anymore?

Catch-22

You don't have to do ANY PvP ...

... but you have to run around in an open-PvP area while you are doing PvE quests.

Technically, if you don't mind getting ganked every now and again (and again, and again, ...) you should be able to ... maybe, collect enough for 1/4 of the first piece before you smash your keyboard and leave the game.

Note: I do not expect the following to be much in the way of comfort, it is just how I intend to handle the issue.

I would say... don't bother. If you are purely a PvE player, like me, then from the sounds of things IC isn't for us. It certainly isn't for me. I probably won't even be buying IC. I have written off the crafting opportunities of IC on the basis of hope that they will not make this new tier available to IC only. I have asked a question about this in this thread, although it hasn't been answered yet.

That said, if this tier of crafting is, in effect, only freely open to PvP-participating players then I will drop my sub immediately and then only worry about picking up Orsinium/Wrothgar, when it drops, with the crowns that I already have on my account.

To be blunt, this update seems, both in its intention and implementation, to not be for me. I am ok with that, the PvP people haven't (apart from class/ability balance updates) gotten a lot of content-based love from ZOS recently...

...they just better get back on track with further PvE updates after and the new VR15-16 crafting tier sure as oblivion better not be exclusive to IC.

Esha76

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

That's what Cyrodiil proper is good for, and depositing your Tel Var stones into the bank. More frequent trips to the bank to deposit means more safety, but less earning potential due to the traveling. MMORPG's are designed around competition, both PVE and PVP. You can see this in any game, but ESO especially wasn't advertised as anything else between leaderboards, the competitive tagging system, economy with guild stores, trials leaderboards, cyrodiil alliance war skill lines, cyrodiil leaderboards, and emperorship all up for grabs to the best players.

If you're new to PVP do what everyone does now who is green at PVP that isn't a non-instanced battleground/scenario-style with 10 on 10 teams and a fixed duration: go out there, learn, and practice. Join or make groups if you need, to get a little more support. Make friends and get better at it until you stop dying enough that you feel comfortable trying to accrue those stones.

Also bear in mind just as with current PVP gear you can buy these with gold as the items are bind on equip. You can't say the same of PVE Trials gear and Undaunted PVE dungeon sets.

It's not that I am exactly new to PvP, I'm honestly not very good at it, nor do I like it at all. But as my post stated: I have nothing against new PvP content, actually welcome it. So as much as I appreciate your efforts to educate, I have been playing MMOs long enough to fully grasp the concept of competitiveness. I really don't need it explained to me.

The problem I have with this equation is being punished by having my "hard earned" stone taken from me. I get the impression you're missing that from my initial post. If I can get said high-end gear another way, fine - no more complaints from me. But I am not spending my game time running back and forth from the bank with my little limited deposits - run the risk of getting ganked still and still losing it all with each trip any way. This is utterly ridiculous.

So as much as I appreciate you taking the time to try to explain this, you didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. And I'm not buying it, therefore.... I'm not buying it.

technohic

Iluvrien wrote: »

dsteve832b16_ESO wrote: »

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

So these Tel Var Stones seem like PvP exclusive currency for so called "Legendary Armor." Can it be earned in PvE or are the PvE players just not being cared about anymore?

Catch-22

You don't have to do ANY PvP ...

... but you have to run around in an open-PvP area while you are doing PvE quests.

Technically, if you don't mind getting ganked every now and again (and again, and again, ...) you should be able to ... maybe, collect enough for 1/4 of the first piece before you smash your keyboard and leave the game.

Note: I do not expect the following to be much in the way of comfort, it is just how I intend to handle the issue.

I would say... don't bother. If you are purely a PvE player, like me, then from the sounds of things IC isn't for us. It certainly isn't for me. I probably won't even be buying IC. I have written off the crafting opportunities of IC on the basis of hope that they will not make this new tier available to IC only. I have asked a question about this in this thread, although it hasn't been answered yet.

That said, if this tier of crafting is, in effect, only freely open to PvP-participating players then I will drop my sub immediately and then only worry about picking up Orsinium/Wrothgar, when it drops, with the crowns that I already have on my account.

To be blunt, this update seems, both in its intention and implementation, to not be for me. I am ok with that, the PvP people haven't (apart from class/ability balance updates) gotten a lot of content-based love from ZOS recently...

...they just better get back on track with further PvE updates after and the new VR15-16 crafting tier sure as oblivion better not be exclusive to IC.

Actually a pretty refreshing take on things, IMO. Hope something that is more for you comes along quickly.

Lava_Croft

darkspyro92_ESO wrote: »

So these Tel Var Stones seem like PvP exclusive currency for so called "Legendary Armor." Can it be earned in PvE or are the PvE players just not being cared about anymore?

Do you also do birthday parties?

Elsonso

dsteve832b16_ESO wrote: »

SO, ....

I don't PvP at all in any MMO - does this mean that the new content is unavailable to me?

I won't go near a place if there is even the possibility of PvP.

I can't do the fancy high-stress end-game repetitive group content, ...

... so at this point I don't bother with any end-game.

I have 6 chars that I level-up in succession, usually around 10 levels at a time. I take breaks from the game, so I'm only at lvl 25-35 right now.

I love the crafting, love the story and enjoy leveling-up my characters. I was hoping that maybe they would come up with some nice PvE end-game that wasn't repetitive.

Seems like I was wrong.

So my question is: Will I be able to enjoy ANY of the new content that isn't group-only with the guarantee of no PvP?

(I know that nobody cares, but I will try to explain - I simply can't deal with fighting against players. Lets just say I get enough 'challenge' with the mobs.)

We have very similar game play habits. I am not a PVP player, although I do spend time in Cyrodiil. I am by no means good enough in PVP to actually kill another player, unless they have no chance at all, or I am on a keep wall. So far, all (and I mean all) attempts at any direct combat have resulted in my death.

However, I excel in being in places where everyone can kill me, and surviving. I will try Imperial City on PTS to see if any strategies I have in mind pan out. I get Imperial City included with ESO Plus, but it may be that I don't spend any time there.

Tiruviel

Any chance of having the latest patches applied to PTS before the launch of Imperial City? According to the login screen, the PTS is currently at patch 2.0.8 while the live servers are at 2.0.13.

This is one of the reasons why I haven't played on the PTS for a long time - no use in reporting bugs that may already have been fixed with a patch.

Also, since I have characters on both the EU and NA server, which one of the character sets will be copied to the IC?