Would You Preffer a PvP Campaign Where Champion Point Passives are Disabled?

reklaw67

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Zlater wrote: »

It would defeat the purpose of champion points, PvP isn't about level, skill points or champion points. Its about your ability to utilize the game mechanics to your advantage the only way you'll be any good is by PvPing. Also called PLAYER SKILL.

Consider learning how to use these better instead:
-Roll dodge
-Block
-Sneaking
-Animation clipping
-When to break free
-LOS <is a big one
-Armor selections
-Interrupting
-Run/mount stamina conservation
-War tactics
-FOLLOWING THE CROWN
-Food/drinks
-Potions
-Staying out of AOE
-Learning when to run and when to stay.
-Pretty much every combat mechanic you are going to have used against you. Learn them.

I know there are many more to put here but I've got a headache so forgive me.
To put it in perspective Sypher recently put in one of his posts that he has roughly 300CP's. Compared to many players that already have 1000+ you would think that he wouldn't stand a chance? Yet he is still very obviously one of the best despite the 60% disadvantage.

You should become a better player not a better character. It is obvious when people complain about PvP that they are not very skilled as a player yet. I can speak honestly when I say that with each of my characters, when they hit lvl10-20 I always immideately take them in to a normal (thornblade usually) campaign for some PvP. It has always been the best way for me to get better with my char and when I'm doing ok I take them back to PvE for some leveling.

Ummm Sypher himself has said he views this as a problem. (why didnt you state that as well smart guy)

And because the most skillful player alive in ESO can overcome some atrocious pvp gaps by less skilled players does NOT mean there isnt a problem. Put Sypher 300cp vs Sypher 1000cp and I guarantee you that sypher 300 would NEVER win. NEVER.

Harming

TequilaFire wrote: »

reklaw67 wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I've said these many times and I will say it again here. You have never lost a fight because of champ points.

I am inclined to agree with this.....

I think if you had reports in front of you showing the massive gains one player can have over another with hundreds more cp that you would realize how stupid your claim was.

There is a thread here where a guy showed the difference in dmg btw just one area where a player had cp points into a stat vs one who did not. It was like 23-24% more dmg.. If you are hundreds of points behind and that players had dmg reducing skills, sta/health/mag regen bonuses, etc etc etc.. yeah very unlikely you win against a player of equal skill. Very very unlikely.

Your claim is utter rubbish..

No one is denying that CP advance your character, that is their whole point.
What is tiresome is hearing the "I can't get them BS".
Why have advancement at all lets all just run level 1 naked characters with sticks.

Or you could you know have pvp advancement tied to.... idk pvp...
Naw lets give the bonuses to grinders. Genius!

Thats like giving the best weapons and mods to the players that spend the most time in a fps lobby. Just stupid.
"Well i sat in the lobby for like 400 hours, why shouldn't i have the best stuff??"
"Because you didn't shoot anyone.........."

TequilaFire

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

OMG we pulled the hide behind an internet "hero" card.

bowmanz607

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

F7sus4 wrote: »

It's not your enemies' CP that kills you, tulips. It's your humiliating lack of playing skills. You'll be still killed on sight even if your opponents had 0 CP and -25% damage nerf, because L2FP.

Zlater wrote: »

It would defeat the purpose of champion points, PvP isn't about level, skill points or champion points. Its about your ability to utilize the game mechanics to your advantage the only way you'll be any good is by PvPing. Also called PLAYER SKILL.

Consider learning how to use these better instead:
-Roll dodge
-Block
-Sneaking
-Animation clipping
-When to break free
-LOS <is a big one
-Armor selections
-Interrupting
-Run/mount stamina conservation
-War tactics
-FOLLOWING THE CROWN
-Food/drinks
-Potions
-Staying out of AOE
-Learning when to run and when to stay.
-Pretty much every combat mechanic you are going to have used against you. Learn them.

^ SO MUCH THIS!

disagree. been playing since beta. am a pvp officer in a prominent pvp guild. I am very killed at this game. better than most I would say. There is a notable difference between 200 champ points and fighting someone with 800 champ points. so your just wrong. both of these posts are simply wrong. CP plays a huge part in fighting. why not try it out on pts if you dont believe me. in fact, ask a well known skilled player such as sypher who has mentioned this many times. not evryone plays the game to grind out cp. I like to have fun while i play not grind for 10 hours and have fun for one hour.

Korah_Eaglecry

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

Id prefer they made it easier for players under a certain number of Champion Points to get them easier sooner then later.

bowmanz607

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Applying one campaign to disable champ points is a benefit to players that are new to the game. there is a huge flock of new players that wont last 10 sec in vet. not b/c of skill but b/c of 10 champion points versus even 200. the vet experience completely departs from the non-vet experience making people reroll toons to stay in non-vet. the gap in champion points is to high to over come at this point. A no cp vet campaign allows for people to earn champion points while still enjoying the pvp experience. Moreover, this does not affect players who have been around getting champ points for some time. those players, including myself, will continue to play on competitive cp vet campaigns. howver, this will allow newer players, a very large player base, to enjoy the vet experiene and eventually work ther way to the other campaigns. if anything the campaignt that will be effected the most is non-vet b/c people willactually move on from that campaign. in turn, this will make it so people want to keep playing the game rather then quitting b/c they are tired of not being able to adequately progress their toons while in pvp and keep it competitive. this is a great idea for the longevity of this game.

RustedValor

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Harming wrote: »

Guys dont you know grinding you ass off, doing the same thing over and over and over without the use of a single brain cell makes you DESERVE a huge advantage in games, duhh... why should anyoune have to fight on an even playing field when they have countless hours to grind, they ABSOLUTLEY EARNED and DESERVE to have better stats and a handicap over you beacuse they put in time.... you know running in a circle and pushing buttons (aka mindlessly grinding).
God forbid you have a a character at an equal power level as them, you havent EARNED it by grinding for hundreds of hours.

Did you for get to add /End Sarcasm at the end of this post lol.

Valen_Byte

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Im sure I will get flamed for this but w/e.

Zo$, and all other mmo's that have a PVP aspect to them, really need to take a look at the kings of multiplayer. Yes, I'm talking about Call of Duty.

Now just hear me out.

In Call of Duty, everyone has the same character. There are different builds for your character. One guy might wear some body armor and it will make him slow. One guy might give up the armor and choose for the light and fast approach. There are no stats to lvl up, no gear that makes your stats better. Everyone has the same health, the same stamina, and access to all the same things. The weapons do have different stats but its negligible. ie; SMG vs sniper vs assault rifle. All have a different play style to them but there is no 'if your character isnt built like this, then you cant group with us' crap.

I have always thought PvP and PvE should be separate for this very reason. I saw this coming, like many of us did over a year ago. The only way to balance PvP is to remove options lol (I'm sure I'm going to be popular now lol)

The only way to have a truly competitive (and by competitive, I mean tournaments that make you money) PVP is to basically all have the same character. Much like Blackwater Blade WAS before the champion system.

Skill should decide weather you are a good player or not, just like it does in COD.

As it stands now, ESO will never be a competitive game due to the fact that all you have to do to be a bad a**, is not have a job.

There are just too many moving parts to balance this thing. It needs to be dumbed down.

F7sus4

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

disagree. been playing since beta. am a pvp officer in a prominent pvp guild. I am very killed at this game. better than most I would say. There is a notable difference between 200 champ points and fighting someone with 800 champ points. so your just wrong. both of these posts are simply wrong. CP plays a huge part in fighting. why not try it out on pts if you dont believe me.

As I said numerous times, the first 360CP are the most important. Once you reach your max +25% DPS/healing etc. CP bonus, you won't boost it further even when you'll earn additional 360CP or even 3000CP after that. Therefore this...

reklaw67 wrote: »

Put Sypher 300cp vs Sypher 1000cp and I guarantee you that sypher 300 would NEVER win. NEVER.

...is utter BS.

Seeing the amount of red answers, it's clear that both math and meth is not for everyone.

Azurulia

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Those trying to defend CP in this thread are simply making me shake my head. So much ignorance.

The reality of this is it would create a league that doesn't effect you. Unless of course those voting no are the players who like to come into non-vet and smurf around with loads of CP against players who don't have them. Not everyone is level cap, and not every has been level cap for weeks or months to farm a healthy amount of CP. That alone should be enough to justify a non-CP pvp campaign.

Not only that, but you have players who do have a lot of CP and all that who also want to get into a league like this. It seems like a no-brainer to me.

reklaw67

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

F7sus4 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

disagree. been playing since beta. am a pvp officer in a prominent pvp guild. I am very killed at this game. better than most I would say. There is a notable difference between 200 champ points and fighting someone with 800 champ points. so your just wrong. both of these posts are simply wrong. CP plays a huge part in fighting. why not try it out on pts if you dont believe me.

As I said numerous times, the first 360CP are the most important. Once you reach your max +25% DPS/healing etc. CP bonus, you won't boost it further even when you'll earn additional 360CP or even 3000CP after that. Therefore this...

reklaw67 wrote: »

Put Sypher 300cp vs Sypher 1000cp and I guarantee you that sypher 300 would NEVER win. NEVER.

...is utter BS.

Seeing the amount of red answers, it's clear that both math and meth is not for everyone.

LOL... Any boost be it large or small would play a significant part in a contest between two equal opponents. If you can't grasp that then.. well then just keep grinding your zombies claiming it doesnt give you an edge.

This is a direct quote from Sypher from that thread:

"I have gone against players who have double/triple my champion points (I currently have ~300) and can confirm that the imbalance is extreme and will only get worse.

This also applies to PVE, once a group of players with high CP get together they will start breaking leaderboards with their mathematical advantage and newer players or players who don't grind out CP will be left in the dirt.

As a player with 5 vet accounts and 6th one in the works, my distaste for v16 is pretty obvious.


Speak up folks. "

Ok sorry but I will take Syphers word for it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

gjmgamesub17_ESO

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

I say yes, but it needs more.

No CP and everyone has immediate access to some varied gear sets (healing, tanking etc...).

That gear would only be usable in that campaign, not outside of it, and only those sets are allowed inside.

Make it an even playing field across the board, no CP and access to all the same gear. This lets individual skill and smart builds shine.

For rewards? Give them CP, make a conversion ratio of so much contribution = 1 CP. But you can only earn them in that campaign, no others (you can't use them in that campaign though).

Kill 2 birds with one stone. New players can learn PvP while catching up without being at a huge disadvantage. And a second way to earn CP besides grinding.

Room for other things too, but it would be a great start.

GreySix

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Why not both?

Options are good.

reklaw67

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

A campaign where everyone gets a set amount of CP would be cool. CP definitely adds complexity to our builds. I think that is a good thing. It's the gaps that are the problem. So just give everyone 300cp for that campaign so we can have more flavorful and varied builds while not creating artificial gaps not based on skill.

F7sus4

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

reklaw67 wrote: »

LOL.. apparently it's you who is both math and logic deprived.

Must be true, especially because you used a "proof" that was not based on math at all. Perfectly logical.

TequilaFire

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

Love the way people bash people who they think play 16 hours a day, and then turn around and worship someone who does. lol

Pirhana7_ESO

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

SO you want to play on a campaign that has zero character progression? The CP system is VERY small long term progression and reason to keep going. No one i know wants to hit that "Im finished wall". the CP system lets you keep going and improving your character.

take the vet level out, those are what cause a massive cap in power. The CP system is actually very minor

reklaw67

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

SO you want to play on a campaign that has zero character progression? The CP system is VERY small long term progression and reason to keep going. No one i know wants to hit that "Im finished wall". the CP system lets you keep going and improving your character.

take the vet level out, those are what cause a massive cap in power. The CP system is actually very minor

You will be free to play with other pve Zombie destroyers if that is your wish.

Sorry but I don't think pvp progression should be achieved by mindlessly aoe'ing down zombies in pve safe zones. It creates needless gaps that have nothing to do with skill.

All we are asking is that the majority of us that do not like the current system have a campaign that caters to our interests.

Rev Rielle

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Definitely.
They only would have to add/modify one Veteran Campaign, keeping the others as is (or as they're going to be changed to). It would keep everyone happy.

crytantrevors

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

Forum whiners are going to get this game nerfed to hell just like every mmorpg... Good job all.. The game is meant to be the way it is, if you dont like it go play something else. Im at the low end of champion points and still do well in pvp so i dunno why theres all this complaining... Just learn to play the game the way it was meant to be played... I only hope zenimax ignores 90% of these forum whiners and the game might make it in the long haul if they do... But they wont, you people complaining cause you die solo and dont know howto group up with other players in an mmorpg will be the ruin of eso

Farorin

I would rather a battle leveling of Champion points, like how they do with player levels, that way it wouldn't make what I have gained feel like a waste of time, yet would still allow me to be competitive with the hardcore grinders, and would allow more casual players to still jump in and not be too out classed.

They could level everyone up to an amount of CP depending on where the average lies within the player base? But regardless of how they would implement it, that's what I would prefer.

Tolmos

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

crytantrevors wrote: »

Forum whiners are going to get this game nerfed to hell just like every mmorpg... Good job all.. The game is meant to be the way it is, if you dont like it go play something else. Im at the low end of champion points and still do well in pvp so i dunno why theres all this complaining... Just learn to play the game the way it was meant to be played... I only hope zenimax ignores 90% of these forum whiners and the game might make it in the long haul if they do... But they wont, you people complaining cause you die solo and dont know howto group up with other players in an mmorpg will be the ruin of eso

I dont think you have much to worry about by way of nerfs. ZOS already showed interest in splitting off a separate campaign for those who don't want to deal with the stat handicap of CP, so CP will remain as it is and those who don't want it will get out of your hair! Problem solved.

Dru1076

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

crytantrevors wrote: »

Forum whiners are going to get this game nerfed to hell just like every mmorpg... Good job all.. The game is meant to be the way it is, if you dont like it go play something else. Im at the low end of champion points and still do well in pvp so i dunno why theres all this complaining... Just learn to play the game the way it was meant to be played... I only hope zenimax ignores 90% of these forum whiners and the game might make it in the long haul if they do... But they wont, you people complaining cause you die solo and dont know howto group up with other players in an mmorpg will be the ruin of eso

Oh no! By making this post whining about whining you have become a forum whiner! L2P and all that, right? And why would having ONE campaign free of CP passives affect your game at all?

Simple truth is casuals CANNOT keep up with hard-core grinders with progression, so suggesting they do this is ignoring this fact. No amount of skill will help If your blows do almost no damage while your opponent takes huge chunks off your hp.

I am yet to hear a reasonable argument against a cp free campaign, only assumptions about lack of skill and laziness. And these assumptions are largely incorrect.

GreySix

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

crytantrevors wrote: »

<snip attack on multiple posters, along with smartass remark> Im at the low end of champion points and still do well in pvp so i dunno why theres all this complaining... Just learn to play the game the way it was meant to be played... <snip more snide and useless crap>

So, what's wrong with providing the option for players to enter PvP without CP?

If you could still enter PvP with CP, how would it in any way shape or form adversely affect your gameplay?

Gilvoth

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

yes, i want champion points disabled in PVP but,

How is this going to work in imperial city where there is a mix of PVE and PVP elements?

Harming

The grinders defending CP imbalance are just trying to stop this idea because they will have less cattle to prey on. Their CP server will eventually dwindle down to a group of high cp players killing eachother over and over (Or stalemating since theres basicly no resource management anymore once your geared correctly and high cp) While everyone else enjoys a level playing field in the non-CP campaign.

crytantrevors

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

I never said there only had to be one campaign. If they add one without cp enabled and left one with then everyone wins. Im just talking about the ones who want vet ranks and cp removed completly and yea so im whining about whiners no one is perfect but my point remains the same forums get mmorpgs nerfed into the ground because devs belive everyone should be heard but then they only focus on the negative and never the positive feedback... For instance we will see pvp and pve nerfed but will probably never get text to chat which has been requested at nausiam by 90% of the console player base since launch. Its getting to the point to where anyone mentions text chat then they shut down the thread or delete it to try and silence people

bowmanz607

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

F7sus4 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

disagree. been playing since beta. am a pvp officer in a prominent pvp guild. I am very killed at this game. better than most I would say. There is a notable difference between 200 champ points and fighting someone with 800 champ points. so your just wrong. both of these posts are simply wrong. CP plays a huge part in fighting. why not try it out on pts if you dont believe me.

As I said numerous times, the first 360CP are the most important. Once you reach your max +25% DPS/healing etc. CP bonus, you won't boost it further even when you'll earn additional 360CP or even 3000CP after that. Therefore this...

reklaw67 wrote: »

Put Sypher 300cp vs Sypher 1000cp and I guarantee you that sypher 300 would NEVER win. NEVER.

...is utter BS.

Seeing the amount of red answers, it's clear that both math and meth is not for everyone.

You are simply wrong. I suggest you go do some testing on the pts.

crytantrevors

No, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign using champion passives.

i want to see text chat before anything else...

GreenSoup2HoT

Yes, I would preffer to play a PvP Campaign with champion passives removed.

Yes because why should i have to Pvp with people who transferred over from PC with that much of a number's advantage.