*****5 Steps to Fix ESO***** (from a player since Beta)

Jando

1. Do Not Remove Veteran Ranks. Instead drastically Reduce XP to gain each veteran rank to 250K XP. This almost has the effect of removing them, but removes the absolute waste of time and effort needed to overhaul the game to remove vet ranks. This can be done in a hotfix now, with almost no effort. To keep Cadwell Silver/Gold content interesting, you can scale those zones up to VR16 and then optionally "Battle Level" players appropriately.

2. Fix The Champion System. The concept of a never ending progression system with diminishing returns is not fun and causes too much player separation. Instead speed it up such that people actually complete the whole system in the same amount of time it used to take to reach vet 14. Once completed, you are a "Champion of Tamriel" and it's over. Deeper explanation can be found Here

3. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool.......Here's How...LINK

4. Fix PVP Lag. We know you are working on this

5. Release new content...and stop trying to monetize the game through crappy crown store mounts. People will pay good money for content so give it to us already.

Gidorick

I have my own opinion on 1 & 2

1: In this thread (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/174148/level-50-80-vr-replacement-new-ish-concept/p1) I suggest that they replace VR levels with levels 50-80 and make the progression more akin to level 1-49 progression. So levels 50, 51, 52, etc. are earned more quickly than levels 60,61,62, etc.

2: In this thread (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/184576/champion-points-catch-up-mechanic-concept/p1) I suggest an XP gain an automatic CP XP boost so that players with fewer CPs will gain CPs more quickly than those with more CPs... and the higher the CP level reached the more quickly the lower level players will earn CPs.

I really think people need to stop trying to reach END game and just enjoy the GAME.

3 & 4 I completely agree with this.

5: I agree but wish ZOS would simply couple quests with items: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149494/in-game-crown-store-integration-concept. I would gladly pay $30 for an ice horse if it included some type of gameplay that justified the item existing in game. But... why would they waste time making a quest or dungeon or mini-game to sell a $30 mount when players will buy JUST the mount for $30.

NotSo

1. Cut veteran ranks
2. Change champion points to not only buff x stat but also nerf y stat
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes

Jando

@Gidorick

I've noted int he past that we have similar views on many of these issues.

Regarding Items with quests see my thread here:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151753/crown-store-horse-armor-all-over-again-why-not-add-a-story#latest

Jando

NotSo wrote: »

1. Cut veteran ranks
2. Change champion points to not only buff x stat but also nerf y stat
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes

@NotSo

Actually cutting Vet ranks is too much effort at this point. I'd rather not see them waste the time. That's why i am trying to marginalize them with a major reduction down to 250k xp. They basically become levels 50-65. Int he past I've suggested 150K per level, but now with the increase in XP gain, maybe 250k is best.

Gidorick

lol. yes @Jando! We do indeed. I actually opened that thread looking for my own.

While I have my own thoughts on what to do about Champion points and VR Ranks I agree that they BOTH need to be fixed.

NotSo

But why leave anything unmentioned if it's "too much effort"? Zos needs to step up their game and start pushing fixes and patches through the pts insteading of cramming it all into one huge update. Unless the current system is completely incompatible with everything soon to come, we should have seen the pts be the major test bed for all things.

Jando

NotSo wrote: »

But why leave anything unmentioned if it's "too much effort"? Zos needs to step up their game and start pushing fixes and patches through the pts insteading of cramming it all into one huge update. Unless the current system is completely incompatible with everything soon to come, we should have seen the pts be the major test bed for all things.

I'm sure they'd say they've been too busy working on console. But i have to tell you, I've been playing a lot on console and the User interface is pretty bad. That should actually be number 6 to my list. Fix the damn console UI. Especially regarding the the comparison of items....it's horrible.

Suntzu1414

Regarding CP points.

allow for some trees / abilities to be specific..
PvE or PvP only.

and/or allow for amazing abilities (but outside trials/pvp).

like Super Jump or Skydiving... (now wouldn't that be fun..)
or Ride Dragon (yes...i did like Dragonborne...)


Kill Well
ST

Jando

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

Regarding CP points.

allow for some trees / abilities to be specific..
PvE or PvP only.

and/or allow for amazing abilities (but outside trials/pvp).

like Super Jump or Skydiving... (now wouldn't that be fun..)
or Ride Dragon (yes...i did like Dragonborne...)


Kill Well
ST

Those sound fun! But i wouldn't count on it

Moonshadow66

Ooops, I thought you meant fixing the crash and freeze issue which occurs to many players after the last patch such as myself. Still no fix for us.

azoriangaming

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Ooops, I thought you meant fixing the crash and freeze issue which occurs to many players after the last patch such as myself. Still no fix for us.

i've been having that issue a lot as well after the patch yesterday i was online in the evening maybe 2 hours and crashed 5 times just riding around in pveland

Moonshadow66

rdbrown1987 wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Ooops, I thought you meant fixing the crash and freeze issue which occurs to many players after the last patch such as myself. Still no fix for us.

i've been having that issue a lot as well after the patch yesterday i was online in the evening maybe 2 hours and crashed 5 times just riding around in pveland

Some people in the PC/Technical Support forum here reported that the support was saying that the system requirements are now much higher. For me it's now day 5 that I can't play anymore, it keeps crashing every 5-10 minutes without an exception. I guess we won't see a fix here, unfortunately, I also cannot afford a new system or new hardware every fullmoon. So, as far as I am concerned, it's game-over.. I'm just still here because I'm still interested in what's going on, basically.

BlackEar

I must say I disagree with everything except fixing the LFG tool.

Of course I would like new content but no proble monetizing throgh crown store.

Molsondry

Cap CP@ 360 points. Fixed

Mitchblue

Gidorick wrote: »

I really think people need to stop trying to reach END game and just enjoy the GAME.

Have to reach it eventually, eh? Unless you just stand around. And it's been said before, if end game isn't important (or not needed) you're just playing an RPG.

NotSo

CP neeeeeds to be earnable at all levels, it's weird that you contribute nothing towards CP until vr1.

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@Gidorick
I figured out the game formula mixup.
Tried making a discussion about it but it's probably going to flop like all my discussions
That's just what I get for being khajiit.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/191125/how-to-make-leveling-feel-more-elder-scrollsy#latest

Jando

Molsondry wrote: »

Cap CP@ 360 points. Fixed

For the most part....i agree. And, in many ways, that's exactly what i have suggested. I'm not sure of the exact number, but the point is that you actually finish the Champion System. I know there are some proponents for this "never ending system" because they like the idea of progress forever...but i disagree that the champion system is the best vehicle to deliver that progress.

Gidorick

Jando wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Cap CP@ 360 points. Fixed

For the most part....i agree. And, in many ways, that's exactly what i have suggested. I'm not sure of the exact number, but the point is that you actually finish the Champion System. I know there are some proponents for this "never ending system" because they like the idea of progress forever...but i disagree that the champion system is the best vehicle to deliver that progress.

Wasn't the champion system designed for long term progression? I actually expect them to raise the CP cap from 3600 to like 4500 when people approach it.

Sausage

All these VR and CP debates I still havent figured why VR is so imprortant for this game. CP can do all that and more, and speaking of separation, thats why catch-up system is coming/needed. If people love so much VR because of the advantage it gives, add gears, replace VR grind with gear, and add new gears like once a year and make it hard to get, can take everywhere between 3-6 month to get full set and people can enjoy them another 6 month, if you are really fast, 9 month.

notimetocare

Sausage wrote: »

All these VR and CP debates I still havent figured why VR is so imprortant for this game. CP can do all that and more, and speaking of separation, thats why catch-up system is coming/needed. If people love so much VR because of the advantage it gives, add gears, replace VR grind with gear, and add new gears like once a year and make it hard to get, can take everywhere between 3-6 month to get full set and people can enjoy them another 6 month, if you are really fast, 9 month.

If it was done right at the start, maybe CP could have been a replacement, but atm you have a wide spread of CP making and gear restrictions with it useless.

As to your gear suggestion, that is stupid. Nobody wants to spend months getting gear. It just does not happen, that is the major complaint of rng systems in games. Casuals and late comers get screwed.

notimetocare

Jando wrote: »

1. Do Not Remove Veteran Ranks. Instead drastically Reduce XP to gain each veteran rank to 250K XP. This almost has the effect of removing them, but removes the absolute waste of time and effort needed to overhaul the game to remove vet ranks. This can be done in a hotfix now, with almost no effort. To keep Cadwell Silver/Gold content interesting, you can scale those zones up to VR16 and then optionally "Battle Level" players appropriately.

2. Fix The Champion System. The concept of a never ending progression system with diminishing returns is not fun and causes too much player separation. Instead speed it up such that people actually complete the whole system in the same amount of time it used to take to reach vet 14. Once completed, you are a "Champion of Tamriel" and it's over. Deeper explanation can be found Here

3. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool.......Here's How...LINK

4. Fix PVP Lag. We know you are working on this

5. Release new content...and stop trying to monetize the game through crappy crown store mounts. People will pay good money for content so give it to us already.

1. Yes and no, I would like to see that happen to old ranks, but adding new ranks and teirs should be accompanied by content and current or slightly higher xp for the new two ranks.

2. Catch-up and seasonal caps. Best fix.

3. Yes, but par of the issue is it is just not used as you get higher. I get queues pretty easy on new alts up until about 30.

4. Maybe they are working on it, we can hope. At least they seem to know some of the problems.

5. They need to do both, mounts and gimmicks were easier to do while they were working on console release. They have already announced Imp city is close.

Everyone has fixes they think will help the game, but unlike us armchair devs, they have to try and make it work. While I am not saying 'they know best and shut up' they have a much more difficult job making things work. All these ideas rarely help.

Faulgor

1. Remove Veteran Ranks. All the problems that convinced the devs to remove them eventually still exist. If this is not an option, roll them out in seasons: When the cap is increased, everyone automatically is put at the old cap. So when they add VR16, all our characters will start at VR14.

2. Rebalance EXP rewards across all activities. Silver/Gold should be absolutely optional. PvP needs to be a viable alternative to PvE for EXP. Group and challenging content should yield the most exp/hour.

3. Make content worthwhile by restructuring rewards. This includes general loot, group dungeons, trials, Craglorn, quests, etc. New content will be irrelevant if it's not worth doing just like Craglorn.

4. Fix the Champion System. There need to be caps or limits so the gap between new and old players is not impossible to bridge. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1975856

5. Change the cash shop scheme from lots of individual purchases to DLC packs that are free for subscribers. Currently ESO Plus has no value, and the nickle-and-diming of each little mount, pet and costume is detrimental to the game because those could have been rewards in the game. Playwall > Paywall.

SC0TY999

rdbrown1987 wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Ooops, I thought you meant fixing the crash and freeze issue which occurs to many players after the last patch such as myself. Still no fix for us.

i've been having that issue a lot as well after the patch yesterday i was online in the evening maybe 2 hours and crashed 5 times just riding around in pveland

Another broken patch mate?

Can hardly say I'm surprised

Jando

Oh... did I mention.....Fix the LFG tool?

JamilaRaj

The first thing they have to do is to ditch their P2W business model. As long as they deliver payment methods instead of actual game, there is no chance.

spoqster

Jando wrote: »

1. Do Not Remove Veteran Ranks. Instead drastically Reduce XP to gain each veteran rank to 250K XP. This almost has the effect of removing them, but removes the absolute waste of time and effort needed to overhaul the game to remove vet ranks. This can be done in a hotfix now, with almost no effort. To keep Cadwell Silver/Gold content interesting, you can scale those zones up to VR16 and then optionally "Battle Level" players appropriately.

2. Fix The Champion System. The concept of a never ending progression system with diminishing returns is not fun and causes too much player separation. Instead speed it up such that people actually complete the whole system in the same amount of time it used to take to reach vet 14. Once completed, you are a "Champion of Tamriel" and it's over. Deeper explanation can be found Here

3. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool.......Here's How...LINK

4. Fix PVP Lag. We know you are working on this

5. Release new content...and stop trying to monetize the game through crappy crown store mounts. People will pay good money for content so give it to us already.

Yes to 2, 3, 4 and 5. But please, please remove those damn vet ranks and make level 50 the level cap.

BugCollector

Jando wrote: »

1. Do Not Remove Veteran Ranks. Instead drastically Reduce XP to gain each veteran rank to 250K XP. This almost has the effect of removing them, but removes the absolute waste of time and effort needed to overhaul the game to remove vet ranks. This can be done in a hotfix now, with almost no effort. To keep Cadwell Silver/Gold content interesting, you can scale those zones up to VR16 and then optionally "Battle Level" players appropriately.

2. Fix The Champion System. The concept of a never ending progression system with diminishing returns is not fun and causes too much player separation. Instead speed it up such that people actually complete the whole system in the same amount of time it used to take to reach vet 14. Once completed, you are a "Champion of Tamriel" and it's over. Deeper explanation can be found Here

3. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool.......Here's How...LINK

4. Fix PVP Lag. We know you are working on this

5. Release new content...and stop trying to monetize the game through crappy crown store mounts. People will pay good money for content so give it to us already.

You have good ideas! Me likey!

Elsonso

Jando wrote: »

1. Do Not Remove Veteran Ranks. Instead drastically Reduce XP to gain each veteran rank to 250K XP. This almost has the effect of removing them, but removes the absolute waste of time and effort needed to overhaul the game to remove vet ranks. This can be done in a hotfix now, with almost no effort. To keep Cadwell Silver/Gold content interesting, you can scale those zones up to VR16 and then optionally "Battle Level" players appropriately.

2. Fix The Champion System. The concept of a never ending progression system with diminishing returns is not fun and causes too much player separation. Instead speed it up such that people actually complete the whole system in the same amount of time it used to take to reach vet 14. Once completed, you are a "Champion of Tamriel" and it's over. Deeper explanation can be found Here

3. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool. FIx the LFG Tool.......Here's How...LINK

4. Fix PVP Lag. We know you are working on this

5. Release new content...and stop trying to monetize the game through crappy crown store mounts. People will pay good money for content so give it to us already.

Remove Veteran Ranks. Remove Cadwell completely and make all of the Veteran zones available in any order, either by quests that take the player there or by just putting the wayshrines on the map. Without Veteran Ranks, each Veteran zone can be scaled to Level 50, allowing players free access to quests.

Fix the Champion System. Progression in this system happens too quickly and I do feel that the system needs to be extended such that it never ends. It is not meant to grind against and it is not a replacement for a leveling system. The rewards are too significant and earned too fast. This results in people grinding against Champion System. Extending Champion System by reducing the passive benefits while also adding a lot of new content (#5) will change the focus of play to be content instead of Champion System.

Rook_Master

#1 needs to happen yesterday.

We don't need to waste development time removing vet ranks when they can essentially be removed right now by reducing the amount of grind required.

Then maybe the developers can focus on making real content. If we get a major content update, and the only thing in it is "removed vet ranks" then many people will leave.

smokes

1. remove VR1-10 from cadwells.
2. remove combat bonuses from champion points
3. cap CP gains relative to every VR increase. i.e. 50 CP per VR.

job done.