So let's get a cat out of the bag - Dual Wield Mace/Sharpened

Soulac

Alcast

Rylana wrote: »

Well, lets just put it like this. Since day 1 every major broken mechanic has been exploited ad nauseum until it was revealed to the general public and fixed.

If you dont want to use what is broken then I guess you are not even allowed to log into the game because I am sure there might be smth off with the login screen >.>

but for real, so much stuff is broken, I send bugreports every day, same *** over and over again. I am not sure if the devs even read that stuff or not, NO ANSWER from them in any freaking way. All that pops up is Thank you for your report.
They are even UNABLE to confirm stuff that is broken on their own forums.

And yes, spamming forum and making it public is the best way to get stuff fixed asap. Maybe even the only way because otherwise they dun give a shizzle.


/zosbusywithconsole

Zheg

To the players that felt compelled to send nasty messages because Rylana made public what should have been public and fixed a long time ago, if you have to use exploits and broken mechanics to be successful in pvp, maybe you're not as good as your ego makes you think you are?

Flying blade on my NB usually crits for around 9k with dual swords, how much shorter do you want the TTK to be? If everyone is getting 1/2 shotted, people will get fed up and leave and then you have even less people to fight than we already do.

Kloud

There's so much broken in this game I don't think it matters either way I don't mind if it gets fixed or not I'll still play I don't even use duel wield

Psilent

Zheg wrote: »

To the players that felt compelled to send nasty messages because Rylana made public what should have been public and fixed a long time ago, if you have to use exploits and broken mechanics to be successful in pvp, maybe you're not as good as your ego makes you think you are?

Flying blade on my NB usually crits for around 9k with dual swords, how much shorter do you want the TTK to be? If everyone is getting 1/2 shotted, people will get fed up and leave and then you have even less people to fight than we already do.

This! However, with all the "nerf nirnhoned threads" around, I'd say people do want everything to 1/2 shot.

Ace_SiN

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

You are assuming that a third party addon is somehow pulling numbers out of the combat mechanics of this game that don't add up. The big question is do these numbers come from the actual game client or they calculated by the addon according to your gear and skill settings?

I'm pretty sure the addon is bugged.. I get a massive amount of armor pen by using Boundless Storm on my stam sorc while wielding dual maces(according to Harven's extended stats anyway).

sirston

Soulac wrote: »

that cat falling of the table made my day. also this game has alot of broken crap in it.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Ace_SiN wrote: »

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filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

You are assuming that a third party addon is somehow pulling numbers out of the combat mechanics of this game that don't add up. The big question is do these numbers come from the actual game client or they calculated by the addon according to your gear and skill settings?

I'm pretty sure the addon is bugged.. I get a massive amount of armor pen by using Boundless Storm on my stam sorc while wielding dual maces(according to Harven's extended stats anyway).

Check how the addon works, it's just pulling numbers from the API. The addon is fine, but no one knows for sure what these numbers really mean. Also, with the dual wield maces your armor pen is supposed to go up, so it's probably not the Boundless Storm?

Ace_SiN

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

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Ace_SiN wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

You are assuming that a third party addon is somehow pulling numbers out of the combat mechanics of this game that don't add up. The big question is do these numbers come from the actual game client or they calculated by the addon according to your gear and skill settings?

I'm pretty sure the addon is bugged.. I get a massive amount of armor pen by using Boundless Storm on my stam sorc while wielding dual maces(according to Harven's extended stats anyway).

Check how the addon works, it's just pulling numbers from the API. The addon is fine, but no one knows for sure what these numbers really mean. Also, with the dual wield maces your armor pen is supposed to go up, so it's probably not the Boundless Storm?

No I mean it gets a boost from the dual maces, but then it gets another increase when I use Boundless Storm, but only while the buff is still up. Hidden boundless buff maybe?

Domander

Ugh, maces should not so clearly be better vs swords and daggers.

Hypertionb14_ESO

Domander wrote: »

Ugh, maces should not so clearly be better vs swords and daggers.

so silly... in history Swords and Daggers were compairitively worthless compaired to what would happen with a good mace when fighting armor..

daggers in particular were never used in open field combat unless it was the only option.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

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r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Ace_SiN wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

You are assuming that a third party addon is somehow pulling numbers out of the combat mechanics of this game that don't add up. The big question is do these numbers come from the actual game client or they calculated by the addon according to your gear and skill settings?

I'm pretty sure the addon is bugged.. I get a massive amount of armor pen by using Boundless Storm on my stam sorc while wielding dual maces(according to Harven's extended stats anyway).

Check how the addon works, it's just pulling numbers from the API. The addon is fine, but no one knows for sure what these numbers really mean. Also, with the dual wield maces your armor pen is supposed to go up, so it's probably not the Boundless Storm?

No I mean it gets a boost from the dual maces, but then it gets another increase when I use Boundless Storm, but only while the buff is still up. Hidden boundless buff maybe?

You should actually test the damage with and without Boundless Storm, to see if the numbers shown have any effect at all. I wouldn't say it's not possible, but that would require some testing.

Soris

And ZOS insist on keeping quiet. Instead addressing the REAL issues, they comment genius posts on that goblin cave topic. Typical.

Lava_Croft

Soris wrote: »

And ZOS insist on keeping quiet. Instead addressing the REAL issues, they comment genius posts on that goblin cave topic. Typical.

Gotta maintain the impression that you are engaged with your community, right. It's better than nothing.

Wild_Mage

edit - actually scratch that. I only read the first post in this thread and I don't have enough info to really be casting down half hearted judgement on anyone. Sorry I'll go eat crow now.

sadownik

Wild_Mage wrote: »

OP abuses what he/she thinks is a bug for 6 months. Gets of bored of what he/she thinks is a bug six months later and wants others to no longer have access to it so makes a forum post about it in hopes it gets nerfed.

Op reported this bug months ago. Since nothing has been done and more and more people use it Op decides to go public.

Forgive me if i dont use any pretencious gif, but im afraid mine could be too rude.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Wild_Mage wrote: »

OP abuses what he/she thinks is a bug for 6 months. Gets of bored of what he/she thinks is a bug six months later and wants others to no longer have access to it so makes a forum post about it in hopes it gets nerfed.

This stuff got reported like an eternity ago, and a lot of people knew it.

Snit

Soris wrote: »

And ZOS insist on keeping quiet. Instead addressing the REAL issues, they comment genius posts on that goblin cave topic. Typical.

Different people. Brian is the PvP guy, this is the PvP forum, and he does enter the forums at times and converse with players.

The combat and mechanics team? They're ghosts.

Attorneyatlawl

Rylana wrote: »

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Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Trayyacakes wrote: »

I may be alone here but I think even the 17k armor penetration is too high.

But since they nerf nirn the following is fine?
Nirn/Sharpened on weapons
5pc light Armor
Major Spell resi debuff
Apprentice
the first pt in champion-system in th passives which is buggy and grants a huge amount of penetration

Keep in mind that the major debuff applies before the nirn calculation.

This amount of penetration is too high for both.
What is the use of heavy armor if you just ignore everything anyway.
If I fight nightblades right now I have like 5k spellresistence left and I'm using some parts of nirn to survive the undodgeable crap.

Safe to say you tested none of this because you'd know it isn't true if you had .
Sharpened is the same for spell and phys pen.
5pc light comes nowhere near as high a pen amount as maces.

Major armor debuffs are easier to access and more common, while being attached to skills that do more than a resist/armor debuff. Many aren't even tied to weapons (elemental debuff requires a destro staff and does just a resist change, no damage or other addons except some magicka restoration).
Apprentice stone is outweighed by phys pen availability and nirn honed.
First champ PT functions as described. It doesn't add some magical outlandish amount of pen. Go test it before parroting others who did not test it either. The phys and spell pen champ passives are ignores as described in the tooltips.

Rylana wrote: »

Jeckll wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Jeckll wrote: »

Things I learned while reading this thread:
Zenimax should not allow you to enter the same AvA Server with Characters of different Fractions on the same day.

Why the hell not? These dudes should be able to win one fight, or just not talk trash.

It's not about that situation actually. What if they had not trash talked? Lets say you are grinding in said cave. I'm from your fraction and I also want to grind there. So I relog on my other fraction character, kill you, relogg to my main and start grinding. Whenever you come back, I relog and kill you again. With that, I would have an issue.

Also, being able to simply let one person of a DC raidgroup relog and be able to read the AD zone chat, maybe joining one AD raidgroup and being able to tell the DC raids what they are planing to do...I just dont like the abusive possibilities.

Hypothetical situations do not apply to your original statement. Strawman fallacy.

to Germantrocity - LOL

to the AD that posted in this thread, silky whatever, keep talking your smack and next time German shows up hes gonna have Lyzara with him. The players named thus far in this thread are so below even my skill level that just me showing up would probably wipe your whole group, now imagine both of us.

Edit to add - I could totally get down with this idea of Cracked Wood mercenary for hire (or just for lolz). Hmm...

Gonna take a guess Rylana didn't test anything either by this thread, given that I haven't heard anyone claim sharpened was bugged still for physical only, in any special fashion, and no proof or testing is shown to back the assertion made here. Given the posts I see like the above, and in this thread, I get the feeling he or she thinks they are above needing to actually fact check their claims before making balance discussion or supposed major bug threads, regardless of if it turns out to be the case.

Um the post you quoted was a trash talk regarding cracked wood cave shenanigans and had nothing to do with testing anything, how exactly you come to the conclusion/assumption that me trash talking an AD player somehow equates to not having tested anything is a stretch and then some, just saying.

Well, you posted no testing, and didn't seem to feel any was needed... . Then you reasserted that in this reply. I love numbers, but you didn't give anything to discuss yet... instead, you posted what you say is a bug, but provided no proof . Come back with some and I'll analyze to the moon. The other quote was to provide additional context for my statement, which seems to have been true... so far? ESO does have a lot of inconsistencies or bugs, but throwing up a sensationalistic topic definitively asserting some major bugs exist while not showing any evidence on it isn't very useful.

kevlarto_ESO

What's even more disturbing at this point no official word from ZOS, at least they chimed in on the nirn thread, and talked about a fix why not here

Attorneyatlawl

Rylana wrote: »

So ive gotten some rather nasty tells in game over this thread, and it seems like people dont like that i posted this.

Well, lets just put it like this. Since day 1 every major broken mechanic has been exploited ad nauseum until it was revealed to the general public and fixed.

This is just another one of those. Love it or hate it, I mean to see it fixed. If you take that personally, well, then youre thinking a bit too far into it I reckon. (and probably deserve the nerf considering you make no bones about wanting to use broken things to win, right? "muh seekrit haxorz")

At the end of the day, I have used this just as much as anyone else. No smug holier than thou here.

When this is fixed, I am sure we will meet again on the next thread regarding broken stuff. its become a thing, and I make no apologies for it.

I'm all for bringing bugs to light for fixing... I've spent countless hours specifically doing that. But you still haven't posted what the bug is, and are saying whatever it is (something you feel is wrong with armor pen stats, but to what extent, against what physical armor ratings on targets, or gear and passive setups used, or anything at all other than that you think something's wrong... that's fine, but posting hearsay as fact isn't constructive to finding out what the bug is) has been there since launch, also with no supporting facts. Presenting it as a definite "full armor bypass" without having checked anything, or at least providing it, is somewhat of a disservice both if it is found to be false as people will have heard it and thought it was real, and for anyone trying to investigate on ZOS' end as they just have a rumor, with nothing really to go off of or knowing if there even is one. Circumstantially it sounds possible, but many of the people agreeing even say they haven't actually even paid attention to their damage in the first place.

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

What's even more disturbing at this point no official word from ZOS, at least they chimed in on the nirn thread, and talked about a fix why not here

Well, yeah... that's what I was getting at on page 1 of this thread. Nothing really was posted but a catchy thread title, nothing for either ZOS or other players who are apt to test stuff (not that I'd know anyone like that.... slash sarcasm ) to go off of. The only thing said as "evidence" was a long ago shown to be disconnected from the actual pen or armor/spell resist ignore amounts "focus" number pulled from the API by addons. Like I said above... it's a disservice to post purported bugs without any proof at all, because people then take it as gospel, just like you did . There may not even be a bug, technically, though it's more likely something is, at least currently, bugged in the line of mechanics. I doubt it's been since launch as claimed, however, given that I never saw any irregularities in closely related testing done for many months pre and post launch.

Soris

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