Are TESO players ignorant of MMOs?

AlnilamE

I look back to when I started and I laugh at myself, but it's part of the fun to learn new things. I was in Vet levels before I realized how useful dodge-roll was. Now I have characters that are focused towards each of the roles, but I can still be flexible.

A few weeks ago in one of our guild events, we had 4 people at around the same level playing our DC alts and we decided to do the first tier of dungeons. None of us had a tank, so I looked at my NB skills and put a skill point in Agony (which I had never even used on my main NB), and used that to stun the mobs that the tank would usually taunt and we went through the first three dungeons without much problem. And we had a blast.

Aeeeek

UrQuan wrote: »

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Rosveen wrote: »

Learn to walk before you run. Yes, you can play a tank in medium. You know how to make it work.

I know the theory of how to make it work. I'm not an experienced enough tank to actually try to make it work myself. I'll stick to my 5-pieces of heavy armour and sword & board on both skill bars for my own tank

My new Orc DK plans on adding 2H to her initial sword and board. When I run out of magika for chains I can switch to charge.

demendred

Ignorant? No. New? Most likely.

UrQuan

AlnilamE wrote: »

I look back to when I started and I laugh at myself, but it's part of the fun to learn new things. I was in Vet levels before I realized how useful dodge-roll was.

Honestly I still rarely dodge-roll, partly because I find I can usually get out of the red without using it (if the red area is big I always try to dodge-roll out though), and partly because sometimes the double-tap gives me issues. I've just remapped it to one of my mouse buttons, though, so I'll probably be using it more now.

Psychobunni

Stories-Bones-Tell wrote: »

Bounced around a few MMOs on PC, havent touched on in a long while but decided to try TESO when it came to PS4. I'm level 30 or so now and I have to say 99% of people have no idea what is going on and I'm wondering if this is because MMOs are a new genre for consoles or if the TESO community is just composed of people who are more interested in an TES title than an MMO.

Seen healers who thought their job was to do damage, tanks in medium armor who laughed at the idea of using a shield, guys who think have no concept of loot generation and so on.

I'd say yes based solely on the complaints that standard MMO features like knowing how much damage you are doing are "ruining mah immersion" and are avidly against it being even an optional part of the UI because it's "elitist and leaves out players who don't use it"....totally forgetting that right now everyone (on pc) who wants them uses an addon....making it a ridiculous circular argument.....debates of that type since launch

Then there is "ESO said I could play how I wanted"...Yes, you can playing solo. That crazy set up you have simply may not work so well in a group and I (personally at least) don't remember them advertising that you can be successful at "everything" while playing how you want. Some players don't quite understand that difference.

Best thing you can do is find yourself a guild suited to what you are looking for from the game. If grouping a lot is your thing, find yourself a couple of friends to roll with consistently instead of PUGs and gently prod the unknowing towards information outlets that may help them on their journey.

FancyTuna8

Lionxoft wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's not an ignorant-of-MMO's thing, it's more of a new player thing.

I am, however, equally surprised at your expectation that things have to be done a certain way. In most parts of this game, there is a vast gray area.

@Merlin13KAGL There's a way that something can be done and then there's the most efficient way to do something.

So, Peter, has Bill talked to you about your TPS reports yet?

traigusb14_ESO2

UrQuan wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I look back to when I started and I laugh at myself, but it's part of the fun to learn new things. I was in Vet levels before I realized how useful dodge-roll was.

Honestly I still rarely dodge-roll, partly because I find I can usually get out of the red without using it (if the red area is big I always try to dodge-roll out though), and partly because sometimes the double-tap gives me issues. I've just remapped it to one of my mouse buttons, though, so I'll probably be using it more now.

It took me like 2 weeks to find a double tap speed that worked for me. I'm used to it now though... I do like the console dodge method. hold block + press another button to roll. makes you play a bit more defensively.

HobnailedBoots

The whole concept of the game is to play how you want. Don't be such an elitist.

UrQuan

FancyTuna8 wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's not an ignorant-of-MMO's thing, it's more of a new player thing.

I am, however, equally surprised at your expectation that things have to be done a certain way. In most parts of this game, there is a vast gray area.

@Merlin13KAGL There's a way that something can be done and then there's the most efficient way to do something.

So, Peter, has Bill talked to you about your TPS reports yet?

Look, I got the memo, I know we're putting these cover sheets on the TPS reports now, I just forgot.

Sallington

HobnailedBoots wrote: »

The whole concept of the game is to play how you want. Don't be such an elitist.

LOL, except you literally can't do high level dungeons without a dedicated tank and healer.

lathbury

Kazzy56 wrote: »

PS4 EU

Has to be said ESOTU is my first MMO and currently I am still trying to figure out what I want my character to be. I'll also take my time before joining a guild because I want to be sure I know what I am doing,
That said, having played TES single player games for many years, like others who have, we have the heads up re exploration, lore books and so on in the game. It's part of what we love about the TES universe.
I too watch people running around like crazy doing quests, running past chests, missing quests, resources, dungeons, Ayleid ruins and so on.
I am pretty sure some think I am nuts wandering around apparently doing 'nothing.'
Now you would think that some folks who played Skyrim (and expected ESOTU to be like Skyrim) to get the exploration element.
Two things there already. Those who thought the game was going to be like Skyrim, and have never played an MMo and those who thought OESTU was going to be like other MMos.
Some folks can't deal with the freedoms the game offers in building character/class/race, weapons/armour.
I love it! and..I look forward to joining up with others to play...but not just yet
Have a good one all.

dont take your time find a good one. decide what you want to do while levelling then ask your more experienced guildies for their suggestions on how best to achieve what you want for your character. This has the advantage that you wont be LFG all the time and if you have an idea and want to test something you weill no doubt have access to experienced crafters to help you out.

HobnailedBoots

Talcon wrote: »

I have healed tanks that don't use a shield, and tanks that do use ones. The ones that don't, make me want to strangle them, that's group kick worthy right there. I don't give a *** if hes having fun or not, do what your supposed to or move the *** on.

If you're not there to have fun there's no point in playing the game.

Merlin13KAGL

UrQuan wrote: »

FancyTuna8 wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's not an ignorant-of-MMO's thing, it's more of a new player thing.

I am, however, equally surprised at your expectation that things have to be done a certain way. In most parts of this game, there is a vast gray area.

@Merlin13KAGL There's a way that something can be done and then there's the most efficient way to do something.

So, Peter, has Bill talked to you about your TPS reports yet?

Look, I got the memo, I know we're putting these cover sheets on the TPS reports now, I just forgot.

@FancyTuna8, @UrQuan, yeahhhhhh...that'd be great...

Merlin13KAGL

Aeeeek wrote: »

Been playing 2? weeks after launch and I've only just discovered what bash is.
In my defence, my main is a DW NB whose idea of defence is moar offence.

@Aeeeek, you're ahead of the game.

Had a VR11 ask me what an 'interrupt' was once.

I had to ask if they were serious.

(They were )

UrQuan

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Had a VR11 ask me what an 'interrupt' was once.

I had to ask if they were serious.

(They were )

There are no words. This is the problem with some people who just grind to level up: they never learn how to actually play the game effectively.

Shunravi

UrQuan wrote:

There are no words. This is the problem with some people who just grind to level up: they never learn how to actually play the game effectively.

Well of course not. There is no reason to. You saw what they did to the vet zones right?

HobnailedBoots

Sallington wrote: »

HobnailedBoots wrote: »

The whole concept of the game is to play how you want. Don't be such an elitist.

LOL, except you literally can't do high level dungeons without a dedicated tank and healer.

So run with a group that has that. Not everyone is going to play the same way. But never say "you can't do it any other way," only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Sallington

HobnailedBoots wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

HobnailedBoots wrote: »

The whole concept of the game is to play how you want. Don't be such an elitist.

LOL, except you literally can't do high level dungeons without a dedicated tank and healer.

So run with a group that has that. Not everyone is going to play the same way. But never say "you can't do it any other way," only a Sith deals in absolutes.

You can do normal content in groups blindfolded if you want, it's stupid easy. Most dungeons are stupid easy too, but if you don't have at least a healer, have fun dying on every trash pull.

SirAndy

Lionxoft wrote: »

Going into a dungeon with 4 naked templars is probably possible but it's not effective.

@Lionxoft
We have a group called "The Naked Nords" and we do PvE group content and PvP, you guessed correctly, naked.

It's actually a lot of fun and the added challenge of playing without any substantial armor bonus is a refreshing (albeit sometimes a bit chilling) bonus.

There aren't many who can claim to have faced Molag Bal naked and lived to tell the tale ...

bertenburnyb16_ESO

Most mmo like players on pc, console s more the ES crowd methinks

R1ckyDaMan

Maybe they have realised the game is nothing like any of the other TES games and decided not to give a damn?

Anyone with no MMO experience who picked this game up cos of the TES in the name will be really angry I think, by TES standards its total rubbish imo.

So yeah, maybe they played for a bit, decided you know what lets try that dungeon without a care in the world because they had already lost interest?

AlnilamE

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

Anyone with no MMO experience who picked this game up cos of the TES in the name will be really angry I think, by TES standards its total rubbish imo.

Maybe. Or maybe it grew on them and they've been playing since early access. Who knows? :-P

Sallington wrote: »

HobnailedBoots wrote: »

The whole concept of the game is to play how you want. Don't be such an elitist.

LOL, except you literally can't do high level dungeons without a dedicated tank and healer.

Ha! I actually ran vet Fungal for the pledge the other day and we didn't have a tank, so my friend who is a sorc DPS in LA put on the taunt and "tanked" the dungeon for us.

UrQuan

AlnilamE wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

Anyone with no MMO experience who picked this game up cos of the TES in the name will be really angry I think, by TES standards its total rubbish imo.

Maybe. Or maybe it grew on them and they've been playing since early access. Who knows? :-P

Well, I've only been playing since PC launch day (no early access because I didn't get a chance to install earlier than launch day), and I picked up the game with no MMO experience purely because it's an Elder Scrolls game. And I've loved it since day one.

Zorrashi

UrQuan wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

Anyone with no MMO experience who picked this game up cos of the TES in the name will be really angry I think, by TES standards its total rubbish imo.

Maybe. Or maybe it grew on them and they've been playing since early access. Who knows? :-P

Well, I've only been playing since PC launch day (no early access because I didn't get a chance to install earlier than launch day), and I picked up the game with no MMO experience purely because it's an Elder Scrolls game. And I've loved it since day one.

Yeah. I have not touched MMOs for years on end and only came back because of ESO. Why ESO? Because of the many TES elements and how it breaks the usual MMO mold. This game has earned my commitment and playtime.

Rosveen

SirAndy wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Going into a dungeon with 4 naked templars is probably possible but it's not effective.

@Lionxoft
We have a group called "The Naked Nords" and we do PvE group content and PvP, you guessed correctly, naked.

It's actually a lot of fun and the added challenge of playing without any substantial armor bonus is a refreshing (albeit sometimes a bit chilling) bonus.

There aren't many who can claim to have faced Molag Bal naked and lived to tell the tale ...

I've done it with my nightblade because my armor broke down completely and I decided it wasn't worth replacing just for two levels. :P

traigusb14_ESO2

Rosveen wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Going into a dungeon with 4 naked templars is probably possible but it's not effective.

@Lionxoft
We have a group called "The Naked Nords" and we do PvE group content and PvP, you guessed correctly, naked.

It's actually a lot of fun and the added challenge of playing without any substantial armor bonus is a refreshing (albeit sometimes a bit chilling) bonus.

There aren't many who can claim to have faced Molag Bal naked and lived to tell the tale ...

I've done it with my nightblade because my armor broke down completely and I decided it wasn't worth replacing just for two levels. :P

No wonder he is so mad and wants to kill everyone... naked people keep stalking and attacking him! Show a Daedric lord some respect! sheesh

Zusia211

I wouldn't say they are ignorant or new to it all. A lot of players just want to be DPS and realize if they go in as if they are a healer or something they can get into games faster. Was an issue for me in DCUO....

DisgracefulMind

I don't think console players in general are used to MMOs for the most part. Once people play more, there will be more defined roles that emerge.

Hypertionb14_ESO

Consoles have had fully fledged MMOs since probably before the first one i played which started on the PS2, and ended up being cross platform on PS2, PS3, Xbox360, PC.

so no they are just that much worse. blame the fact that Console players are even less likley to use comms than PC players even tho they have it built in.

Rosveen

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Going into a dungeon with 4 naked templars is probably possible but it's not effective.

@Lionxoft
We have a group called "The Naked Nords" and we do PvE group content and PvP, you guessed correctly, naked.

It's actually a lot of fun and the added challenge of playing without any substantial armor bonus is a refreshing (albeit sometimes a bit chilling) bonus.

There aren't many who can claim to have faced Molag Bal naked and lived to tell the tale ...

I've done it with my nightblade because my armor broke down completely and I decided it wasn't worth replacing just for two levels. :P

No wonder he is so mad and wants to kill everyone... naked people keep stalking and attacking him! Show a Daedric lord some respect! sheesh

I wasn't naked! I was still wearing armor for looks, it just had 0 armor value.