Population inbalances in Azura

Earendal

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Anyone else who sees the size of these "chaos inspired name" zergballs of doom that run around just chuckling at a certain malcontent trying to point the finger at AD?

Or was he trying at obscure humor?

Hard to tell.

There's a difference between running a "zerg-ball" with less than 24 people, we peaked at 15 tonight, and what AD is doing. Tonight, Chill had several different AD guilds all running multiple groups each. There aren't even enough members of [...] to fill two groups. The icing on the cake is that we still get tells from the people in these groups blaming us for the lag. I don't know if its cognitive dissonance or simply delusion, but at this point it's laughable. It must be nice to run in to every keep, not take any damage because no one's skills are working, and cap the flags while any resistance stands by helpless. Probably isn't very fun though.

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rfennell_ESO

Earendal wrote: »

There's a difference between running a "zerg-ball" with less than 24 people, we peaked at 15 tonight, and what AD is doing. Tonight, Chill had several different AD guilds all running multiple groups each. There aren't even enough members of [...] to fill two groups. The icing on the cake is that we still get tells from the people in these groups blaming us for the lag. I don't know if its cognitive dissonance or simply delusion, but at this point it's laughable. It must be nice to run in to every keep, not take any damage because no one's skills are working, and cap the flags while any resistance stands by helpless. Probably isn't very fun though.

Well, to be honest... there is no way to tell who's who anyways. I guess tabards, but my camera is max distance and I never notice them.

Goes both ways, of course.

[...] has not picked up a stellar reputation, quite the opposite. Truthfully I haven't the vaguest idea half the time if it is [...], but generally when AD sees the red zerg balls (and many times it's multiple raids, sometimes up to three full raids or so)... it's just considered [...].

Many times I've never had a clue who it is guildwise that I've been fighting until I see them on the forums.

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Earendal

So maybe consider not talking trash about us since, by your own admission, you don't know what you're talking about.

CN_Daniel

Lol you don't know who [...] is so earbody [...]?

Honestly, I think people just cry about [...] 'hacking' or 'lagging' because they're good. If they are doing this stuff, it's hilarious, but I'm not going to use it as an excuse when they wipe us. I enjoy fighting them, and typically, when zone says "[...] is here" we reply with "WHERE?!?!". They are the second best EP team, and maybe second best in the game overall. Even when we outnumber them 2:1 we have to be very careful.

Sometimes when you're charging 50 ppl with 50 ppl stuff happens, it's just the way the game is. But it doesn't happen all the time, which it would if they're the 'bad guys' everyone makes them out to be.

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Davenaro

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Earendal wrote: »

There's a difference between running a "zerg-ball" with less than 24 people, we peaked at 15 tonight, and what AD is doing. Tonight, Chill had several different AD guilds all running multiple groups each. There aren't even enough members of [...] to fill two groups. The icing on the cake is that we still get tells from the people in these groups blaming us for the lag. I don't know if its cognitive dissonance or simply delusion, but at this point it's laughable. It must be nice to run in to every keep, not take any damage because no one's skills are working, and cap the flags while any resistance stands by helpless. Probably isn't very fun though.

Well, to be honest... there is no way to tell who's who anyways. I guess tabards, but my camera is max distance and I never notice them.

Goes both ways, of course.

[...] has not picked up a stellar reputation, quite the opposite. Truthfully I haven't the vaguest idea half the time if it is [...], but generally when AD sees the red zerg balls (and many times it's multiple raids, sometimes up to three full raids or so)... it's just considered [...].

Many times I've never had a clue who it is guildwise that I've been fighting until I see them on the forums.

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Welp. Maybe our rep is so bad because, well you just said it yourself, YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHO THE REAL [...] GUILD IS XD

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Huckdabuck

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Guess we can no longer name any guild names in any posts as it's deemed naming and shaming GOOD GOD ZOS MODS heavy handed much??? Can you guys also mod out the guild names of your featured guilds on the main page.....it ruins my immersion and I deem it to be naming and shaming as well.

Rylana

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No one was being shamed, guilds were named for clarity and focus as we are trying to sort out who is where so we can better distribute faction populations.

It would be like asking who the candidates are for president, not saying Obama sucks or whatever.

Guild X and Y are on campaign 1, lets see if red guild 1 and blue guild D can go there
Guild Z is on campaign 2, blahblah youd get the point.

Thats more or less what we are trying to do, since theres this roving nomad stuff going on and campaigns are imbalanced. if we cant even communicate strategy what the heck are we supposed to do? guilds identify by name, so we need to know whos who so we can communicate whos where.

Jakeol

Why not give low pop factions a buff? Not just a scoring bonus but a %dmg bonus or some stats to help them perform. Honestly more worried about the longterm health of the game with factions bleeding players and it all conglomerating to 2 factions (and eventually 1 faction having the majority of the playerbase after that, since bandwagon happens in everygame).

Zyle

Jakeol wrote: »

Why not give low pop factions a buff? Not just a scoring bonus but a %dmg bonus or some stats to help them perform. Honestly more worried about the longterm health of the game with factions bleeding players and it all conglomerating to 2 factions (and eventually 1 faction having the majority of the playerbase after that, since bandwagon happens in everygame).

Because ZOS.

Zyle

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

No one on Azura's Star is innocent, especially the AD that ruined it.

I'm wondering what AD ruined? Emp trading between two higher populations that were tag teaming the lower population AD?

AD didn't ruin anything, AD responded and the response was rage quitting by DC and EP.

What are you even talking about? EP and DC were legitimately fighting for control. Before AD showed up this campaign, EP had the same person in 1st getting emp. If you count the same person getting emp over and over again as emp trading, then every campaign is emp trading.

DC & EP in no way teamed against AD in Azuras, you are delusional or misinformed. In fact, there were multiple occasions where AD players were helping EP while DC was in lead. That is acceptable in every way and expected. How are you equating lack of AD population prior to this campaign as DC & EP tag teaming AD. How could we even tag team if you guys weren't there?

We rage quit? That is the most insane thing I've ever heard, AD ZERGED into Azuras against 1 DC guild and a couple smaller DC groups, the EP guild from the prior campaign moved, and AD bragged about it on forums.

Sounds to me like you never played Azuras prior to the AD zerg arriving. I'm still homed there. You take ONE emp keep, and population is suddenly locked.

Streega

God_flakes

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

DIG hops between Azuras/Haderus but their home campaign has been Azuras.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is TKO, id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen Alacrity, Decibel, Misfitz, TKO, DiG, Harbingers, Mafia, and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know Ithelwenn came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, IV Legion right? (and whoever Lady Lightbright runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

What I don't get is why they're leaving Chillrend so underpopulated most nights. If they just filled up their faction on that server, there'd be some real three way fighting. The scores are still fairly close (thanks to Low Population bonus for a while) and this next week and going into the next campaign could be a real fight.

That'd be great.

As it is, it's a binary state. Whose guilds are online? EPs? DCs? That's what color the map is.

Because if we filled up Chillrend, it would be the horrible lag mess it was before Azuras was ruined, and at least I can speak for myself in this that I won't play anymore when it's like that. I know there are many others who feel the same way outside of AD as well.

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

Oh they are absolutely protectors of the buff servers. Completely agree though that AD has always had superior numbers, it is just more spread out.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

No, Misfitz is mainly in Chillrend and occasionally in Azuras if DC/EP come.

Also Misfitz has gotten significantly smaller and rarely has one full raid group these days. At our highest we never had more than 40.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think TKO is policing Haderus, though I've seen Decibel there, too.

I can't speak for TKO, but Decibel is mainly in TB when we have a group lead on, there might be a few on Haderus but not enough to do much there.

Herkamur, snit, thukia? Think thats misfits. FENGRUSH has had some good fights and even friendly talks with some of them. But saying they occasionally come to azuras if DC/EP come isnt accurately descriptive. They come in full force every day and cap every keep/scroll right before DC can ever get any semblence of population @ 5pm+ - if theres any to take. Why AD feels the need to raise the pop to 3 bars - pop lock to simply recapture DCs home keeps is pathetic.

Blame has to be assigned, and its misfits/TKO unless identified otherwise. Saying its your home server isnt really a good excuse to outnumber people that badly outside of primetime hours.

Mate, I think I'd know more about Misfitz than you do. The majority of the guild goes to Chillrend while some who like to stick to their home campaigns stay on Azuras. Outside of possibly the few days to week, we haven't had a significant day force in Misfitz for a while now, everyone just does their own thing until 3-5 PM EST when we get more people on and those willing to lead groups. When EP/DC bring comparable forces to what we can bring, there are always call in guild chat to get people back from Chillrend into Azuras. Sometimes people come, sometimes they don't. The past few days we've had fights between guild members because of split priorities. Some want to stay in Chillrend while others want to go back to Azuras.

There are tons of random AD there, and AD that belong to smaller guilds which make up for the majority of the pop lock that you see.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

As much as people proclaimed EP the new zerg, I never really thought it happened.

IMO (and just my opinion), the successive failures to dent the EP grip on Thornblade demoralized many AD guilds/players from entering competitive Cyrodiil maps. At that time Haderus was ironclad AD and those guilds never had to even think about their buffs.

With the explosion of players out to other servers, those maps are threatened more regularly and you're seeing the AD population once more rousing itself from its Delves, Trials, and CP grinding to come get their buffs back.

And, as Fengrush highlighted, they do not care one whit about a good fight. They want you gone and want an easy win so they can get those quests complete, get their alliance rank for those key skills that are useful in PVE, and then get out of Cyrodiil.

The same things everyone is complaining about from AD is exactly the same as what EP was doing on Thornblade. You might not think it's true, but it happened.

It was the excessive lag and nightcapping that lead people to leave Thornblade. If the EP guilds/players stopped nightcapping Thornblade and turning it almost completely red every single night, and the lag was even remotely playable, it wouldn't be in the shape that it is today.

Also yes lets lump all of AD in together, because clearly every single AD player has the same priorities as a few bad apple guilds/players :P

I heavily contest your use of the word "few" in the term "a few bad apples".

If AD hated EP's behavior on Thornblade so much, why is it being emulated now? It's really easy to throw a ton of ancient canards at the situation -- two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, et al.

Azura's last cycle was WON BY DC. AD took the server that DC (you know, the truly lowest population faction that NEEDS some morale) had been performing the best on, crushed it, and repeatedly throughout the forums has blamed EP for their past behaviors for causing that to happen. What sort of insane troll logic is that? As mad as I was over what was going on with Azura's in regards to DC, what AD did was a freaking travesty.

Have you not noticed that since that happened DC's best guild is now gone? That without Short Bus on the map, DC is woefully outgunned by the other two factions? Wow. AD sure got back at EP with taking Azura's!

Less angry now --

Bringing the giant zergball of doom (multiple coordinated guilds, some running 2 raids deep) to Azura's and then keeping it yellow like a buff campaign, has painfully, noticably, and possibly irrevocably harmed the PVP community and participation of the third faction, DC.

And that's on AD's head. Your guilds did that.

So, you'll have to forgive the periodic lumping together. Because in this case, it's vastly warranted.

This post brought me to tears with it's painful accuracy. Ty, Agrippa.

God_flakes

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

No one on Azura's Star is innocent, especially the AD that ruined it.

I'm wondering what AD ruined? Emp trading between two higher populations that were tag teaming the lower population AD?

AD didn't ruin anything, AD responded and the response was rage quitting by DC and EP.

What a croc of crap. There was no emp trading. Prett was crowned again and again during the cycle we won. Dc and ep did need a balanced presence of ad and it was called for on the forums. Ad chose to bring EVERY major guild from just about ALL the campaigns and WRECK the map. And they are STILL wrecking it daily. Nobody rage quit. We moved and looked for more evenly distributed numbers. But ad is doing what ep is doing on Thorn and dominating a one way map. That was Agrippa's overarching point-which totally escaped you.

The_Drexill

The moderation on these forums is ridiculous. It's an MMO, with a pvp base.... naming and shaming? Get your $#!+ together.

RinaldoGandolphi

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

Sounds to me like you never played Azuras prior to the AD zerg arriving. I'm still homed there. You take ONE emp keep, and population is suddenly locked.

This is why i eventually left. I was one of the "Small groups" that ran on Azura reg during our win and didn't zerg. That instead went out and found small and meduim sized fights.

But guess what? the AD zerg fest descended. in the aftermath, DC would so much as take an Emp keep and they would pop lock the server and zerg 1 bar of DC

This is why Dynamic Population Caps MUST come...i don't care if we have to double the amount of campaigns...no 1 faction should be capable of stupidly outnumbering everyone else and destroying PVP or controling any campaign for their buffs, give us Dynamic Pop Caps, and force these carebears to FIGHT for those buffs instead of just zerging for them.

Planchard

I haven't played much since the first few days of the new campaign on Azura's but everytime I do try to play, it consists of me soloing a resource then sieging from the resource. Outer goes down and as I move to inner, I get attacked by a couple AD. I kill them and start sieging inner. A few DC show up and help out but once inner is down 10+ AD show up to wipe us. Sometimes I'll get lucky and there won't be any defenders and I can solo the keep but it won't be long until AD shows up to reclaim it.

I could just switch to Chillrend where DC are more populated but I've enjoyed Azura's since I hit VR1 on my DK. I lvl'd up VR1-14 mainly in Azura's over the last 2 campaigns and had lots of great battles but it seems those days are over.

Maybe I'll just start some pug groups on Azura's and try to recruit new members for MBF/Nemesis. I should be on at around 4:30 pm Central tonight so if you want to group up, contact me in game. I'll be on my DK, Leggo Mayne. Just be warned, I'm on call at work this week so I might have to afk randomly to take calls

CN_Daniel

I took 2 scrolls yesterday at ~5pm EST. After grabbing the third, the yellow zerg arrived. Before I could return home with the third, yellow had broken down rayles, taken the scroll, went to the temple, taken it too, and stopped us on our way home.

We had 18 people, they arrived with 3 bars...

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

I know I said I was gonna take a break from hardcore pvping this current cycle but seems like a lot of people did the same thing at the same time. I'm noticing across the servers there's fewer consistent poplocks at primetime anymore.

I'm under the impression that several EP and DC guilds pulled out of Azura's because certain faction members made it clear their stance against the stain that is emperor trading/farming, and made it clear that they wouldn't 'step aside' to 'clear the way' for the next jim bob and john boy who wanted the dye color. This, from what I've heard, resulted in several guilds disintegrating before the last cycle ended. Not to knock DC's accomplishment, but I've seen so much toxicity roiling around EP zone chat it should be considered a biological weapon and a violation of the Geneva Convention. I'm feeling it's a combination of pvp burnout with long-standing issues as well as alot of people holding their breath and turning blue in the face thinking the console release is going to be the next best thing since the invention of the wheel. Several guilds have made the decision to fully convert to console, and I have a nagging feeling in the back of my mind they are going to be disappointed because they think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence when it's really littered with cow pies and the grass is growing around *that*.

I've been mostly absent from pvp besides from burning xp for enlightened and pushing for my rank 3 contribution. I think I've only ever been on one campaign cycle where EP won from fighting legitimately, and while I have seen my fair share of abhorrent EP guilds, AD's conduct far pales all others when it comes to pvp in general. It's been an eye for an eye sort of thing with the whole "EP suffered under AD oppression so its payback time" then "AD's suffered under EP zerg so it's payback time", both factions are tearing each other to bits over it and DC seems like the odd one out. It is war, but it's also indicative of sagging populations across the board. The current system is just not going to work for the long haul, but at the same time I don't want to see the vastness of Cyro broken up into 'battleground' style pvp. I'm hoping there's big changes coming down the pipe after console launches, because even I felt somewhat betrayed hearing that work on what should've been a goal in ZOS's vaunted 'five year plan" got shelved just to spruce up the console.

PeggymoeXD

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Of course you did. Don't bother fixing the actual game though.

mwsacto_ESO

NPK Daniel wrote: »

I took 2 scrolls yesterday at ~5pm EST. After grabbing the third, the yellow zerg arrived. Before I could return home with the third, yellow had broken down rayles, taken the scroll, went to the temple, taken it too, and stopped us on our way home.

We had 18 people, they arrived with 3 bars...

Sounds like you need some more team work.

CN_Daniel

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Of course you did. Don't bother fixing the actual game though.

mwsacto_ESO wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

I took 2 scrolls yesterday at ~5pm EST. After grabbing the third, the yellow zerg arrived. Before I could return home with the third, yellow had broken down rayles, taken the scroll, went to the temple, taken it too, and stopped us on our way home.

We had 18 people, they arrived with 3 bars...

Sounds like you need some more team work.

I'm sorry, there isn't anyone in this game that can take on 3 bars of pop with 18 people. It's just not possible.

c0rp

Lol...so in the CAMPAIGN forum you are not allowed to state which guilds are in which campaign? Ridiculous...

Telel

Telel would just like to say something real quick in regards to the AD population on Azura's over the last week.

While some of you may be seeing two or even three bars this one regreats to humbly inform you that most of that population are PVE leechers coming from other servers to hide in delves and farm dolmens. They only come out into Cyrodiil when it's time to whine about how 'mean' other players went into 'their' CP grinds and killed them.

Just this morning it took Telel the better part of an hour, and resorting to forming a Duck herd with open access to this one's personal team speak server, just to get enough people to retake Faregyl from four defenders. Understand that for this one to do such a thing the situation must be intensely dire. Far more dire than Telel merely needing more warm bodies to hide behind as they attempt to out run a bat spamming emperor.

Incidentally, they never did find enough bodies for that. But someday....

At our peak, before we decided it wasn't worth continuing we had maybe a dozen, most of whom had barely begun to learn how to PVP and even fewer with adequate gear or skill setups. It was also the only group running, and accounted for all but 2 of the people PVPing on Azura's then.

Sadly khajiit derped on setting up their twitch feed so you can not actually see any of this. Fortunately everything Telel says is more humble and funnier than the unpleasantness of others.

On a separate note

This one will also humbly point out that people who go to a server purely for the purpose of killing new players for AP and LOLs instead of trying for a win do not in fact deserve a sporting chance. If you're the type of silly man or mer who thinks sitting in a barn with a scroll and killing newbs is 'good action', only to flee the moment the odds aren't in your favor, then this one hopes your happy places become infested with slaughterfish eggs.

Very big slaughterfish eggs of a notoriously angry breed.

Agrippa_Invisus

The native population (of the dominating faction) of a buff campaign deserves every bit of ill treatment (within game rules) that they receive.

From being farmed to gankings to teabaggings, it's all fair game and well earned. This goes to any faction that 'owns' a buff campaign.

I feel not the slightest remorse.

Red_Olander

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Yet you do nothing about the problem occurring in the PvP campaigns (or even post a comment on this )
You have seen whats being said in this post,yet you still ignore the the problem.
Just edit out the names, forget that allowing players to switch campaigns is causing the issues in the first place.
Stop allowing buffs anywhere except in the server they are homed in.
If your not in your Home server you get no AP, no Buffs.
Problem solved.

Valnas

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instead of moderating with a hammer, you guys need to read posts and fix your game. This punitive muting the community needs to stop

Telel

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The native population (of the dominating faction) of a buff campaign deserves every bit of ill treatment (within game rules) that they receive.

From being farmed to gankings to teabaggings, it's all fair game and well earned. This goes to any faction that 'owns' a buff campaign.

I feel not the slightest remorse.

Telel would agree with such a statement, if more of those who use it as an excuse to kill helpless players stuck around when more skilled opponents showed up.

Sadly when the fight is no longer entirely on their side most 'liberators' react like Telel does when told to fight like a man.

For the ones with the Khajiit bits to show up on an over run server and make the long slog uphill you have this one's respect. But the fair weather sorts are just making Telel look brave in comparison.

Please do not make Telel look brave in comparison. It is bad for their image.

Incidentally Azura's is mostly EP's right now, and Khajiit could make very little headway despite hours of effort. That makes them the dominating faction on the server.

AhPook_Is_Here

I am honestly thinking this whole buff campaign thing is nonsense. It's just that strong groups don't want to face other strong groups so they go in search of weak players to farm.

Nobody needs a buff server anymore, even sanctum hard-mode is easy without a buff server. I think they should still blow out all the PVE buffs for good anyway since they are un-needed and just generate controversy, and maybe take down a server or two in NA so there isn't so much running.

Zyle

^ Agreed, PVP buffs should be just that. PVP buffs.