Population inbalances in Azura

CN_Daniel

First off, way to go AD for bringing 3 bars of pop to deal with a group of 20. I really do take that as a complement.

But jeez ZOS, you think you could do something to help the DC out? We're freaking outnumbered 5:1 on every server it seems.

Way to go AD, you won Azura this time. LOL

driosketch

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172734/proposal-consolidate-dc-na-into-a-couple-campaigns

There's not enough DC to go around. Trying to get us all into one of two campaigns, but participate is as low, well as low as our PvP pop.

And before anyone says lag, there's lag anyways. I'd rather at least not be out numbered.

FENGRUSH

Was just asking someone on AD the same thing. Fighting a group of 20 people just standing together flooding heals - with an "emperor". Theyre fighting 2 people.

These AD guilds are not on azura for PvP. FENGRUSH did not have 3, that probably could have done it.

Takllin

NPK Daniel wrote: »

First off, way to go AD for bringing 3 bars of pop to deal with a group of 20. I really do take that as a complement.

But jeez ZOS, you think you could do something to help the DC out? We're freaking outnumbered 5:1 on every server it seems.

Way to go AD, you won Azura this time. LOL

This is why they need to implement faction change. I can't level up two more v14s, a v12, and another v1 that I'm working on for another faction. I'd switch in a heartbeat to help faction population issues, but I just don't have time to level up my characters again for a separate faction.

Snit

Why do so few people play DC?

Rook_Master

Snit wrote: »

Why do so few people play DC?

Because people chose EP for Skyrim, and AD because of an Elf or Cat fetish.

Crown

Snit wrote: »

Why do so few people play DC?

Perhaps they don't like being called Smurfs? If you try to eat Smurfs, you get in trouble (remember what always happened to Gargamel!). If you eat strawberries you get strawberry juice everywhere and then can have a lot of fun licking it up. Eating bananas very slowly like a nice popsicle.. well that's just awesome - especially if you're the banana.

I chose AD because my wife started playing before me and thought the starting zone was prettier.

filmoretub17_ESO

Chilrend has a healthy number of them. The question you need to be asking is why don't they have a strong pvp presence. The servers are all messed up right now you cant expect people to come to your campaign you have to go where the competition is and stay out of AD and EP's buff campaigns.

FENGRUSH

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Chilrend has a healthy number of them. The question you need to be asking is why don't they have a strong pvp presence. The servers are all messed up right now you cant expect people to come to your campaign you have to go where the competition is and stay out of AD and EP's buff campaigns.

So when 1 DC group on azura gets attacked by 3 bars of AD population, the question they need to ask themselves is why dont the DC on chillrend have a stronger pvp presence? Looks to be completely unrelated. Chillrend is already pop locked without [...] going there, how is it of any concern to them?

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Agrippa_Invisus

No one should be told to 'stay out of a buff campaign'.

Buff campaigns shouldn't exist.

That the one campaign that was trending towards competitiveness keeps losing one of the three factions to go frollick in their no competition buff campaigns (instead of leaving said campaigns to balance themselves out naturally, they force them back into imbalance because EHRMAGHERD MAH BERFZ) instead of actually working and ensuring at least one campaign is a true three way fight.

Thornblade is a drag on the PVP community.

Azura's and Haderus are a drag on the PVP community. (that there are TWO campaigns one faction constantly flips overnight to ensure they stay monotone is sickeningly poor sportsmanship)

FENGRUSH

Is [...] also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

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Agrippa_Invisus

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is [...] also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think [...] is policing Haderus, though I've seen [...] there, too.

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Takllin

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is [...] also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

No, [...] is mainly in Chillrend and occasionally in Azuras if DC/EP come.

Also [...] has gotten significantly smaller and rarely has one full raid group these days. At our highest we never had more than 40.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is [...] also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think [...] is policing Haderus, though I've seen [...] there, too.

I can't speak for [...], but [...] is mainly in TB when we have a group lead on, there might be a few on Haderus but not enough to do much there.

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Weberda

I believe [...] has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

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Agrippa_Invisus

Weberda wrote: »

I believe [...] has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between [...] and [...] and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose [...] would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

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Rylana

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is [...], id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen [......] and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know [...] came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, [...] right? (and whoever[...] runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

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Agrippa_Invisus

Rylana wrote: »

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is [...], id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen [......] and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know [...] came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, [...] right? (and whoever[...] runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

What I don't get is why they're leaving Chillrend so underpopulated most nights. If they just filled up their faction on that server, there'd be some real three way fighting. The scores are still fairly close (thanks to Low Population bonus for a while) and this next week and going into the next campaign could be a real fight.

That'd be great.

As it is, it's a binary state. Whose guilds are online? EPs? DCs? That's what color the map is.

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Weberda

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe [...] has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between [...] and [...] and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose [...] would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

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FENGRUSH

Takllin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is [...] also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

No, [...] is mainly in Chillrend and occasionally in Azuras if DC/EP come.

Also [...] has gotten significantly smaller and rarely has one full raid group these days. At our highest we never had more than 40.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is [...] also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think [...] is policing Haderus, though I've seen [...] there, too.

I can't speak for [...], but [...] is mainly in TB when we have a group lead on, there might be a few on Haderus but not enough to do much there.

[......] FENGRUSH has had some good fights and even friendly talks with some of them. But saying they occasionally come to azuras if DC/EP come isnt accurately descriptive. They come in full force every day and cap every keep/scroll right before DC can ever get any semblence of population @ 5pm+ - if theres any to take. Why AD feels the need to raise the pop to 3 bars - pop lock to simply recapture DCs home keeps is pathetic.

Blame has to be assigned, and its [...] unless identified otherwise. Saying its your home server isnt really a good excuse to outnumber people that badly outside of primetime hours.

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Agrippa_Invisus

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe [...] has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between [...] and [...] and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose [...] would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

As much as people proclaimed EP the new zerg, I never really thought it happened.

IMO (and just my opinion), the successive failures to dent the EP grip on Thornblade demoralized many AD guilds/players from entering competitive Cyrodiil maps. At that time Haderus was ironclad AD and those guilds never had to even think about their buffs.

With the explosion of players out to other servers, those maps are threatened more regularly and you're seeing the AD population once more rousing itself from its Delves, Trials, and CP grinding to come get their buffs back.

And, as Fengrush highlighted, they do not care one whit about a good fight. They want you gone and want an easy win so they can get those quests complete, get their alliance rank for those key skills that are useful in PVE, and then get out of Cyrodiil.

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Takllin

Weberda wrote: »

I believe [...] has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

[...] hops between Azuras/Haderus but their home campaign has been Azuras.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is [...], id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen [......] and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know [...] came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, [...] right? (and whoever [...] runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

What I don't get is why they're leaving Chillrend so underpopulated most nights. If they just filled up their faction on that server, there'd be some real three way fighting. The scores are still fairly close (thanks to Low Population bonus for a while) and this next week and going into the next campaign could be a real fight.

That'd be great.

As it is, it's a binary state. Whose guilds are online? EPs? DCs? That's what color the map is.

Because if we filled up Chillrend, it would be the horrible lag mess it was before Azuras was ruined, and at least I can speak for myself in this that I won't play anymore when it's like that. I know there are many others who feel the same way outside of AD as well.

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe [...] has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between [...] and [...] and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose [...] would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

Oh they are absolutely protectors of the buff servers. Completely agree though that AD has always had superior numbers, it is just more spread out.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is [...] also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

No, [...] is mainly in Chillrend and occasionally in Azuras if DC/EP come.

Also [...] has gotten significantly smaller and rarely has one full raid group these days. At our highest we never had more than 40.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think [...] is policing Haderus, though I've seen [...] there, too.

I can't speak for [...], but [...] is mainly in TB when we have a group lead on, there might be a few on Haderus but not enough to do much there.

[...] Think thats [...]. FENGRUSH has had some good fights and even friendly talks with some of them. But saying they occasionally come to azuras if DC/EP come isnt accurately descriptive. They come in full force every day and cap every keep/scroll right before DC can ever get any semblence of population @ 5pm+ - if theres any to take. Why AD feels the need to raise the pop to 3 bars - pop lock to simply recapture DCs home keeps is pathetic.

Blame has to be assigned, and its [...] unless identified otherwise. Saying its your home server isnt really a good excuse to outnumber people that badly outside of primetime hours.

Mate, I think I'd know more about [...] than you do. The majority of the guild goes to Chillrend while some who like to stick to their home campaigns stay on Azuras. Outside of possibly the few days to week, we haven't had a significant day force in [...] for a while now, everyone just does their own thing until 3-5 PM EST when we get more people on and those willing to lead groups. When EP/DC bring comparable forces to what we can bring, there are always call in guild chat to get people back from Chillrend into Azuras. Sometimes people come, sometimes they don't. The past few days we've had fights between guild members because of split priorities. Some want to stay in Chillrend while others want to go back to Azuras.

There are tons of random AD there, and AD that belong to smaller guilds which make up for the majority of the pop lock that you see.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe [...] has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between [...] and [...] and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose [...] would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

As much as people proclaimed EP the new zerg, I never really thought it happened.

IMO (and just my opinion), the successive failures to dent the EP grip on Thornblade demoralized many AD guilds/players from entering competitive Cyrodiil maps. At that time Haderus was ironclad AD and those guilds never had to even think about their buffs.

With the explosion of players out to other servers, those maps are threatened more regularly and you're seeing the AD population once more rousing itself from its Delves, Trials, and CP grinding to come get their buffs back.

And, as Fengrush highlighted, they do not care one whit about a good fight. They want you gone and want an easy win so they can get those quests complete, get their alliance rank for those key skills that are useful in PVE, and then get out of Cyrodiil.

The same things everyone is complaining about from AD is exactly the same as what EP was doing on Thornblade. You might not think it's true, but it happened.

It was the excessive lag and nightcapping that lead people to leave Thornblade. If the EP guilds/players stopped nightcapping Thornblade and turning it almost completely red every single night, and the lag was even remotely playable, it wouldn't be in the shape that it is today.

Also yes lets lump all of AD in together, because clearly every single AD player has the same priorities as a few bad apple guilds/players :P

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reften

Simple - DC has the least popular races.

Nord's are the favorite for tanks

Cats and Wood elves the favorite for NBs.

High Elf & Dark elf favorite for casters.

Nobody wants to be an orc or redguard. Breton is their only hope.

Agrippa_Invisus

Takllin wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

DIG hops between Azuras/Haderus but their home campaign has been Azuras.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is TKO, id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen Alacrity, Decibel, Misfitz, TKO, DiG, Harbingers, Mafia, and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know Ithelwenn came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, IV Legion right? (and whoever Lady Lightbright runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

What I don't get is why they're leaving Chillrend so underpopulated most nights. If they just filled up their faction on that server, there'd be some real three way fighting. The scores are still fairly close (thanks to Low Population bonus for a while) and this next week and going into the next campaign could be a real fight.

That'd be great.

As it is, it's a binary state. Whose guilds are online? EPs? DCs? That's what color the map is.

Because if we filled up Chillrend, it would be the horrible lag mess it was before Azuras was ruined, and at least I can speak for myself in this that I won't play anymore when it's like that. I know there are many others who feel the same way outside of AD as well.

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

Oh they are absolutely protectors of the buff servers. Completely agree though that AD has always had superior numbers, it is just more spread out.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

No, Misfitz is mainly in Chillrend and occasionally in Azuras if DC/EP come.

Also Misfitz has gotten significantly smaller and rarely has one full raid group these days. At our highest we never had more than 40.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think TKO is policing Haderus, though I've seen Decibel there, too.

I can't speak for TKO, but Decibel is mainly in TB when we have a group lead on, there might be a few on Haderus but not enough to do much there.

Herkamur, snit, thukia? Think thats misfits. FENGRUSH has had some good fights and even friendly talks with some of them. But saying they occasionally come to azuras if DC/EP come isnt accurately descriptive. They come in full force every day and cap every keep/scroll right before DC can ever get any semblence of population @ 5pm+ - if theres any to take. Why AD feels the need to raise the pop to 3 bars - pop lock to simply recapture DCs home keeps is pathetic.

Blame has to be assigned, and its misfits/TKO unless identified otherwise. Saying its your home server isnt really a good excuse to outnumber people that badly outside of primetime hours.

Mate, I think I'd know more about Misfitz than you do. The majority of the guild goes to Chillrend while some who like to stick to their home campaigns stay on Azuras. Outside of possibly the few days to week, we haven't had a significant day force in Misfitz for a while now, everyone just does their own thing until 3-5 PM EST when we get more people on and those willing to lead groups. When EP/DC bring comparable forces to what we can bring, there are always call in guild chat to get people back from Chillrend into Azuras. Sometimes people come, sometimes they don't. The past few days we've had fights between guild members because of split priorities. Some want to stay in Chillrend while others want to go back to Azuras.

There are tons of random AD there, and AD that belong to smaller guilds which make up for the majority of the pop lock that you see.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

As much as people proclaimed EP the new zerg, I never really thought it happened.

IMO (and just my opinion), the successive failures to dent the EP grip on Thornblade demoralized many AD guilds/players from entering competitive Cyrodiil maps. At that time Haderus was ironclad AD and those guilds never had to even think about their buffs.

With the explosion of players out to other servers, those maps are threatened more regularly and you're seeing the AD population once more rousing itself from its Delves, Trials, and CP grinding to come get their buffs back.

And, as Fengrush highlighted, they do not care one whit about a good fight. They want you gone and want an easy win so they can get those quests complete, get their alliance rank for those key skills that are useful in PVE, and then get out of Cyrodiil.

The same things everyone is complaining about from AD is exactly the same as what EP was doing on Thornblade. You might not think it's true, but it happened.

It was the excessive lag and nightcapping that lead people to leave Thornblade. If the EP guilds/players stopped nightcapping Thornblade and turning it almost completely red every single night, and the lag was even remotely playable, it wouldn't be in the shape that it is today.

Also yes lets lump all of AD in together, because clearly every single AD player has the same priorities as a few bad apple guilds/players :P

I heavily contest your use of the word "few" in the term "a few bad apples".

If AD hated EP's behavior on Thornblade so much, why is it being emulated now? It's really easy to throw a ton of ancient canards at the situation -- two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, et al.

Azura's last cycle was WON BY DC. AD took the server that DC (you know, the truly lowest population faction that NEEDS some morale) had been performing the best on, crushed it, and repeatedly throughout the forums has blamed EP for their past behaviors for causing that to happen. What sort of insane troll logic is that? As mad as I was over what was going on with Azura's in regards to DC, what AD did was a freaking travesty.

Have you not noticed that since that happened DC's best guild is now gone? That without Short Bus on the map, DC is woefully outgunned by the other two factions? Wow. AD sure got back at EP with taking Azura's!

Less angry now --

Bringing the giant zergball of doom (multiple coordinated guilds, some running 2 raids deep) to Azura's and then keeping it yellow like a buff campaign, has painfully, noticably, and possibly irrevocably harmed the PVP community and participation of the third faction, DC.

And that's on AD's head. Your guilds did that.

So, you'll have to forgive the periodic lumping together. Because in this case, it's vastly warranted.

rfennell_ESO

Anyone else who sees the size of these "chaos inspired name" zergballs of doom that run around just chuckling at a certain malcontent trying to point the finger at AD?

Or was he trying at obscure humor?

Hard to tell.

Takllin

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

DIG hops between Azuras/Haderus but their home campaign has been Azuras.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is TKO, id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen Alacrity, Decibel, Misfitz, TKO, DiG, Harbingers, Mafia, and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know Ithelwenn came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, IV Legion right? (and whoever Lady Lightbright runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

What I don't get is why they're leaving Chillrend so underpopulated most nights. If they just filled up their faction on that server, there'd be some real three way fighting. The scores are still fairly close (thanks to Low Population bonus for a while) and this next week and going into the next campaign could be a real fight.

That'd be great.

As it is, it's a binary state. Whose guilds are online? EPs? DCs? That's what color the map is.

Because if we filled up Chillrend, it would be the horrible lag mess it was before Azuras was ruined, and at least I can speak for myself in this that I won't play anymore when it's like that. I know there are many others who feel the same way outside of AD as well.

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

Oh they are absolutely protectors of the buff servers. Completely agree though that AD has always had superior numbers, it is just more spread out.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

No, Misfitz is mainly in Chillrend and occasionally in Azuras if DC/EP come.

Also Misfitz has gotten significantly smaller and rarely has one full raid group these days. At our highest we never had more than 40.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think TKO is policing Haderus, though I've seen Decibel there, too.

I can't speak for TKO, but Decibel is mainly in TB when we have a group lead on, there might be a few on Haderus but not enough to do much there.

Herkamur, snit, thukia? Think thats misfits. FENGRUSH has had some good fights and even friendly talks with some of them. But saying they occasionally come to azuras if DC/EP come isnt accurately descriptive. They come in full force every day and cap every keep/scroll right before DC can ever get any semblence of population @ 5pm+ - if theres any to take. Why AD feels the need to raise the pop to 3 bars - pop lock to simply recapture DCs home keeps is pathetic.

Blame has to be assigned, and its misfits/TKO unless identified otherwise. Saying its your home server isnt really a good excuse to outnumber people that badly outside of primetime hours.

Mate, I think I'd know more about Misfitz than you do. The majority of the guild goes to Chillrend while some who like to stick to their home campaigns stay on Azuras. Outside of possibly the few days to week, we haven't had a significant day force in Misfitz for a while now, everyone just does their own thing until 3-5 PM EST when we get more people on and those willing to lead groups. When EP/DC bring comparable forces to what we can bring, there are always call in guild chat to get people back from Chillrend into Azuras. Sometimes people come, sometimes they don't. The past few days we've had fights between guild members because of split priorities. Some want to stay in Chillrend while others want to go back to Azuras.

There are tons of random AD there, and AD that belong to smaller guilds which make up for the majority of the pop lock that you see.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

As much as people proclaimed EP the new zerg, I never really thought it happened.

IMO (and just my opinion), the successive failures to dent the EP grip on Thornblade demoralized many AD guilds/players from entering competitive Cyrodiil maps. At that time Haderus was ironclad AD and those guilds never had to even think about their buffs.

With the explosion of players out to other servers, those maps are threatened more regularly and you're seeing the AD population once more rousing itself from its Delves, Trials, and CP grinding to come get their buffs back.

And, as Fengrush highlighted, they do not care one whit about a good fight. They want you gone and want an easy win so they can get those quests complete, get their alliance rank for those key skills that are useful in PVE, and then get out of Cyrodiil.

The same things everyone is complaining about from AD is exactly the same as what EP was doing on Thornblade. You might not think it's true, but it happened.

It was the excessive lag and nightcapping that lead people to leave Thornblade. If the EP guilds/players stopped nightcapping Thornblade and turning it almost completely red every single night, and the lag was even remotely playable, it wouldn't be in the shape that it is today.

Also yes lets lump all of AD in together, because clearly every single AD player has the same priorities as a few bad apple guilds/players :P

I heavily contest your use of the word "few" in the term "a few bad apples".

If AD hated EP's behavior on Thornblade so much, why is it being emulated now? It's really easy to throw a ton of ancient canards at the situation -- two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, et al.

Azura's last cycle was WON BY DC. AD took the server that DC (you know, the truly lowest population faction that NEEDS some morale) had been performing the best on, crushed it, and repeatedly throughout the forums has blamed EP for their past behaviors for causing that to happen. What sort of insane troll logic is that? As mad as I was over what was going on with Azura's in regards to DC, what AD did was a freaking travesty.

Have you not noticed that since that happened DC's best guild is now gone? That without Short Bus on the map, DC is woefully outgunned by the other two factions? Wow. AD sure got back at EP with taking Azura's!

Less angry now --

Bringing the giant zergball of doom (multiple coordinated guilds, some running 2 raids deep) to Azura's and then keeping it yellow like a buff campaign, has painfully, noticably, and possibly irrevocably harmed the PVP community and participation of the third faction, DC.

And that's on AD's head. Your guilds did that.

So, you'll have to forgive the periodic lumping together. Because in this case, it's vastly warranted.

Honestly, I had a huge post written up, but I'm done. If you want to be ignorant, twist what has happened and blame everything on the entirety of AD, and no one else, be my guest. It isn't warranted and you know it. You know the answers to your own questions, I won't bother supplying answers that you already have.

Good day.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Agrippa_Invisus

Takllin wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

DIG hops between Azuras/Haderus but their home campaign has been Azuras.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is TKO, id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen Alacrity, Decibel, Misfitz, TKO, DiG, Harbingers, Mafia, and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know Ithelwenn came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, IV Legion right? (and whoever Lady Lightbright runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

What I don't get is why they're leaving Chillrend so underpopulated most nights. If they just filled up their faction on that server, there'd be some real three way fighting. The scores are still fairly close (thanks to Low Population bonus for a while) and this next week and going into the next campaign could be a real fight.

That'd be great.

As it is, it's a binary state. Whose guilds are online? EPs? DCs? That's what color the map is.

Because if we filled up Chillrend, it would be the horrible lag mess it was before Azuras was ruined, and at least I can speak for myself in this that I won't play anymore when it's like that. I know there are many others who feel the same way outside of AD as well.

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

Oh they are absolutely protectors of the buff servers. Completely agree though that AD has always had superior numbers, it is just more spread out.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

No, Misfitz is mainly in Chillrend and occasionally in Azuras if DC/EP come.

Also Misfitz has gotten significantly smaller and rarely has one full raid group these days. At our highest we never had more than 40.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think TKO is policing Haderus, though I've seen Decibel there, too.

I can't speak for TKO, but Decibel is mainly in TB when we have a group lead on, there might be a few on Haderus but not enough to do much there.

Herkamur, snit, thukia? Think thats misfits. FENGRUSH has had some good fights and even friendly talks with some of them. But saying they occasionally come to azuras if DC/EP come isnt accurately descriptive. They come in full force every day and cap every keep/scroll right before DC can ever get any semblence of population @ 5pm+ - if theres any to take. Why AD feels the need to raise the pop to 3 bars - pop lock to simply recapture DCs home keeps is pathetic.

Blame has to be assigned, and its misfits/TKO unless identified otherwise. Saying its your home server isnt really a good excuse to outnumber people that badly outside of primetime hours.

Mate, I think I'd know more about Misfitz than you do. The majority of the guild goes to Chillrend while some who like to stick to their home campaigns stay on Azuras. Outside of possibly the few days to week, we haven't had a significant day force in Misfitz for a while now, everyone just does their own thing until 3-5 PM EST when we get more people on and those willing to lead groups. When EP/DC bring comparable forces to what we can bring, there are always call in guild chat to get people back from Chillrend into Azuras. Sometimes people come, sometimes they don't. The past few days we've had fights between guild members because of split priorities. Some want to stay in Chillrend while others want to go back to Azuras.

There are tons of random AD there, and AD that belong to smaller guilds which make up for the majority of the pop lock that you see.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

As much as people proclaimed EP the new zerg, I never really thought it happened.

IMO (and just my opinion), the successive failures to dent the EP grip on Thornblade demoralized many AD guilds/players from entering competitive Cyrodiil maps. At that time Haderus was ironclad AD and those guilds never had to even think about their buffs.

With the explosion of players out to other servers, those maps are threatened more regularly and you're seeing the AD population once more rousing itself from its Delves, Trials, and CP grinding to come get their buffs back.

And, as Fengrush highlighted, they do not care one whit about a good fight. They want you gone and want an easy win so they can get those quests complete, get their alliance rank for those key skills that are useful in PVE, and then get out of Cyrodiil.

The same things everyone is complaining about from AD is exactly the same as what EP was doing on Thornblade. You might not think it's true, but it happened.

It was the excessive lag and nightcapping that lead people to leave Thornblade. If the EP guilds/players stopped nightcapping Thornblade and turning it almost completely red every single night, and the lag was even remotely playable, it wouldn't be in the shape that it is today.

Also yes lets lump all of AD in together, because clearly every single AD player has the same priorities as a few bad apple guilds/players :P

I heavily contest your use of the word "few" in the term "a few bad apples".

If AD hated EP's behavior on Thornblade so much, why is it being emulated now? It's really easy to throw a ton of ancient canards at the situation -- two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, et al.

Azura's last cycle was WON BY DC. AD took the server that DC (you know, the truly lowest population faction that NEEDS some morale) had been performing the best on, crushed it, and repeatedly throughout the forums has blamed EP for their past behaviors for causing that to happen. What sort of insane troll logic is that? As mad as I was over what was going on with Azura's in regards to DC, what AD did was a freaking travesty.

Have you not noticed that since that happened DC's best guild is now gone? That without Short Bus on the map, DC is woefully outgunned by the other two factions? Wow. AD sure got back at EP with taking Azura's!

Less angry now --

Bringing the giant zergball of doom (multiple coordinated guilds, some running 2 raids deep) to Azura's and then keeping it yellow like a buff campaign, has painfully, noticably, and possibly irrevocably harmed the PVP community and participation of the third faction, DC.

And that's on AD's head. Your guilds did that.

So, you'll have to forgive the periodic lumping together. Because in this case, it's vastly warranted.

Honestly, I had a huge post written up, but I'm done. If you want to be ignorant, twist what has happened and blame everything on the entirety of AD, and no one else, be my guest. It isn't warranted and you know it. You know the answers to your own questions, I won't bother supplying answers that you already have.

Good day.

When we both know full well what guilds lead to the demise of AS and the ones that continue to police it (Hint: Check your signature), it's no wonder your only defense is the 'OHMIGAWD YOU KNOW NOTHING' instead of actually saying anything.

It's a shorter list to state what AD guilds (that pvp regularly) DIDN'T contribute to AS's demise.

I'm positive there's some PVE only guild sitting in Auridon right now that had nothing to do with it. Kudos to them.
I'm sure there's another guild that RPs almost every night, sitting in Grahtwood, that had nothing to do with it. Kudos to them.

And they have nothing to do with AD's PVP scene and shouldn't be mentioned at all. Now, name to me one major AD pvp guild that hasn't had something to do with Azura's and I'll acknowledge it.

And as much as all of EP gets blamed for the supposed sins of [...], it really must suck to have the reminder that your sins are no less awful.

No one on Azura's Star is innocent, especially the AD that ruined it.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

RinaldoGandolphi

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

DIG hops between Azuras/Haderus but their home campaign has been Azuras.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is TKO, id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen Alacrity, Decibel, Misfitz, TKO, DiG, Harbingers, Mafia, and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know Ithelwenn came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, IV Legion right? (and whoever Lady Lightbright runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

What I don't get is why they're leaving Chillrend so underpopulated most nights. If they just filled up their faction on that server, there'd be some real three way fighting. The scores are still fairly close (thanks to Low Population bonus for a while) and this next week and going into the next campaign could be a real fight.

That'd be great.

As it is, it's a binary state. Whose guilds are online? EPs? DCs? That's what color the map is.

Because if we filled up Chillrend, it would be the horrible lag mess it was before Azuras was ruined, and at least I can speak for myself in this that I won't play anymore when it's like that. I know there are many others who feel the same way outside of AD as well.

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

Oh they are absolutely protectors of the buff servers. Completely agree though that AD has always had superior numbers, it is just more spread out.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

No, Misfitz is mainly in Chillrend and occasionally in Azuras if DC/EP come.

Also Misfitz has gotten significantly smaller and rarely has one full raid group these days. At our highest we never had more than 40.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Is misfits also sweeping haderus with full raid groups against single bar pops ?

I think TKO is policing Haderus, though I've seen Decibel there, too.

I can't speak for TKO, but Decibel is mainly in TB when we have a group lead on, there might be a few on Haderus but not enough to do much there.

Herkamur, snit, thukia? Think thats misfits. FENGRUSH has had some good fights and even friendly talks with some of them. But saying they occasionally come to azuras if DC/EP come isnt accurately descriptive. They come in full force every day and cap every keep/scroll right before DC can ever get any semblence of population @ 5pm+ - if theres any to take. Why AD feels the need to raise the pop to 3 bars - pop lock to simply recapture DCs home keeps is pathetic.

Blame has to be assigned, and its misfits/TKO unless identified otherwise. Saying its your home server isnt really a good excuse to outnumber people that badly outside of primetime hours.

Mate, I think I'd know more about Misfitz than you do. The majority of the guild goes to Chillrend while some who like to stick to their home campaigns stay on Azuras. Outside of possibly the few days to week, we haven't had a significant day force in Misfitz for a while now, everyone just does their own thing until 3-5 PM EST when we get more people on and those willing to lead groups. When EP/DC bring comparable forces to what we can bring, there are always call in guild chat to get people back from Chillrend into Azuras. Sometimes people come, sometimes they don't. The past few days we've had fights between guild members because of split priorities. Some want to stay in Chillrend while others want to go back to Azuras.

There are tons of random AD there, and AD that belong to smaller guilds which make up for the majority of the pop lock that you see.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

I believe DIG has a presence on Azura and they used to police Haderus also although I'm not sure that is still the case

Ahh. That may have been my mistake. AFAIK, there's very little difference between TKO and DIG and it's easy to confuse the two blobs. Two groups of mediocre players that blob up to 2 raids deep.

I suppose DIG would be more interested in policing a buff server, being very carebear in nature from what I've been told.

Originally they denied being "protectors" of the AD buff servers but I know somebody in that guild and he regularly goes on Azura grouping with a full raid or two. They PvE all over the map and wipe out any wayward keep or resource that has flipped to blue or red.

Contrary to popular belief the faction with the overwhelming numbers has been and probably always will be AD. At the moment the only way to deal with them (I think) is a combined effort by EP and DC to push them out of Azura and Haderus and back onto Thorn. They can duke it out there with our own EP carebears. I have doubts though about you, Armitas, Tiberius, Zazeer, NPK Daniel, and Fengrush et al being able convince and coordinate the masses to do such a thing. It certainly would make for some interesting forum posts though.

As much as people proclaimed EP the new zerg, I never really thought it happened.

IMO (and just my opinion), the successive failures to dent the EP grip on Thornblade demoralized many AD guilds/players from entering competitive Cyrodiil maps. At that time Haderus was ironclad AD and those guilds never had to even think about their buffs.

With the explosion of players out to other servers, those maps are threatened more regularly and you're seeing the AD population once more rousing itself from its Delves, Trials, and CP grinding to come get their buffs back.

And, as Fengrush highlighted, they do not care one whit about a good fight. They want you gone and want an easy win so they can get those quests complete, get their alliance rank for those key skills that are useful in PVE, and then get out of Cyrodiil.

The same things everyone is complaining about from AD is exactly the same as what EP was doing on Thornblade. You might not think it's true, but it happened.

It was the excessive lag and nightcapping that lead people to leave Thornblade. If the EP guilds/players stopped nightcapping Thornblade and turning it almost completely red every single night, and the lag was even remotely playable, it wouldn't be in the shape that it is today.

Also yes lets lump all of AD in together, because clearly every single AD player has the same priorities as a few bad apple guilds/players :P

I heavily contest your use of the word "few" in the term "a few bad apples".

If AD hated EP's behavior on Thornblade so much, why is it being emulated now? It's really easy to throw a ton of ancient canards at the situation -- two wrongs don't make a right, eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, et al.

Azura's last cycle was WON BY DC. AD took the server that DC (you know, the truly lowest population faction that NEEDS some morale) had been performing the best on, crushed it, and repeatedly throughout the forums has blamed EP for their past behaviors for causing that to happen. What sort of insane troll logic is that? As mad as I was over what was going on with Azura's in regards to DC, what AD did was a freaking travesty.

Have you not noticed that since that happened DC's best guild is now gone? That without Short Bus on the map, DC is woefully outgunned by the other two factions? Wow. AD sure got back at EP with taking Azura's!

Less angry now --

Bringing the giant zergball of doom (multiple coordinated guilds, some running 2 raids deep) to Azura's and then keeping it yellow like a buff campaign, has painfully, noticably, and possibly irrevocably harmed the PVP community and participation of the third faction, DC.

And that's on AD's head. Your guilds did that.

So, you'll have to forgive the periodic lumping together. Because in this case, it's vastly warranted.

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BossTuggles

Yes thw fact that you outnumber DC is crazy bur on top of it the way you fight even with the hige numbera advantage is just shameful an example drom last night inckuding myself a group of 4 at a resorce 11 VISIBLE ad ( cua we all know there are akways 2-3 nbs waitimg for them lethal outta stealth corny combos) so we take the fight its going well we kill roughly 5 i start getting focused i mist around a tower a few more are showimg up. Ok maybe we can still handle this i gotta get a ninja rez off somehiw then im imstantly dead. They synced up a fire treb and stonefire treb to kill me.. You more than likely were gonna win but you have to go to the next level and drop siege on us as well. Sorry for terrible typijg. On my phone

Domander

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Yeah I dont think the Haderus group is [...], id recognize some of those names, but I know they blob up Azuras (at least that was how it stood a month ago when I left)

The Haderus AD are a different animal, a conglomerate of what looks like members of every AD guild you are all familiar with, but not exclusively any one of them.

Like ive seen [......] and a few others, but not as full guilds. Just their individual members, along with others I am not familiar with, just rolling along in the same ball.

Which is odd for the first 2-3 mentioned as normally i see those guilds and I know for a fact who it is. But the Haderus thing is something all its own.

I do know [...] came back with her blob though, they were there yesterday. So whos that, [...] right? (and whoever [...] runs with, they were there with a full raid as well)

Its just a mass of mixed guilds.

What I don't get is why they're leaving Chillrend so underpopulated most nights. If they just filled up their faction on that server, there'd be some real three way fighting. The scores are still fairly close (thanks to Low Population bonus for a while) and this next week and going into the next campaign could be a real fight.

That'd be great.

As it is, it's a binary state. Whose guilds are online? EPs? DCs? That's what color the map is.

Because.... they have 3 other campaigns to control, they can't be bothered with competition.

azura's is very yellow
thornblade is yellow, and they have all the scrolls.
haderus is kinda competetive at the moment, but guess who has all the scrolls and zerged Emp at 4 in the morning.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

rfennell_ESO

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

No one on Azura's Star is innocent, especially the AD that ruined it.

I'm wondering what AD ruined? Emp trading between two higher populations that were tag teaming the lower population AD?

AD didn't ruin anything, AD responded and the response was rage quitting by DC and EP.

Seri

Takllin wrote: »

If the EP guilds/players stopped nightcapping Thornblade and turning it almost completely red every single night, and the lag was even remotely playable, it wouldn't be in the shape that it is today.

Also yes lets lump all of AD in together, because clearly every single AD player has the same priorities as a few bad apple guilds/players :P

Yes - lets lump all of EP together as well Heck, I left Thorn (as EP, heading to Haderus of all places) at the start of the year because there were too many during NA nightcap hours (Oceanic primetime).