Would you like to have Frost DragonKnights?

Morduil · May 2015

Yes

As a Nord dragonknight, I love the idea - for me it would fit much better than a fire-based character. I'd suggest, however - and it is something that I think you imply but don't emphasize, that were it ever implemented (which sadly I fear is unlikely, but I wish the devs would), one were forced to choose fire or ice as an either/or, mutually-exclusive, one-time and irrevocable choice

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Necromancy shouldn't be class based, for a lot of reasons.

A lot of skills in this game shouldn't be class-based, but they are. Summoning being the prime example. Care to elaborate why necromancy shouldn't, even though the current system supports such decisions?

I think for starters it feels like a cheap knockoff of other games which I don't wish to be mentioned. Additionally, necromancers are usually mages first who started dabbling into necromancy for 'greater power'. This means a fire mage, a lightning mage, a healer, anything makes sense for it. It deserves its own skill line, though I would like to say to be fair I'm really against there being classes at all. Given a class system, I don't want to see the 'frost' class overrun with death magic. I'd much rather see a nature magic line that includes a Frost tree, and giving us the necromancy line as its separate and unique skill line. There are also thematic/lore reasons why I believe a Necromancer makes a bad starting character. Our characters start out very clearly as enemies of Molag Bal and Mannimarco, King of Worms. I'd much rather see falling into necromancy as a corruption of your character after the fact, than something you've always been doing. This is a thematic issue for me, and I think it makes sense. I'm not suggesting it should not exist in the game, far from it. I'm just suggesting that it would be much cooler for the game (even with a class system) if all classes had access to it.

I'd also like to add that I too have high hopes for Spellcrafting. The wonderful thing about this skill line is it that it could be the gift that keeps on giving. We really need this skill line.

Turelus · May 2015

Yes

OMG YES! That would make such an awesome Nord Character.

Kronosphere · May 2015

Yes

no new classes but class morphs plz.

i found it odd each class didnt have its own stealth/warrior/magic line tbh

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2015

Kronosphere wrote: »

no new classes but class morphs plz.

i found it odd each class didnt have its own stealth/warrior/magic line tbh

That is a pretty clever notion.

jkemmery · May 2015

Yes

Ghrimn wrote: »

@jkemmery

jkemmery wrote: »

I was thinking the exact same thing today. I mean, if there were frost, shock and fire dragons in Skyrim, why not frost, shock and fire Dragonknights?

I think I'm gonna have to write this on the description:
While it might be true that Dragons use all kinds of elements, people only acknowledge their use of Fire & Frost. "The more fanciful tales have them summoning storms and even stopping time. These should be discounted as myths and faery tales." - There Be Dragons, by Torhal Bjorik.

But there were shock dragons in Skyrim.

glak · May 2015

Yes

I was thinking more along the lines of giving Templar the Frost because Templar is the anticipation class. Zenimax' vision of Templar is to anticipate everything that is coming as a Point Guard does. So having spells that slow enemy abilities would be ironically useful.

OtarTheMad · May 2015

Yes

Natjur wrote: »

I am not against the idea, but prefer they FIX the current classes and their skills before even thinking of adding new ones

At the moment
DK are fire based
Sorc are air (lighting) based
NB are earth (poison) based
Templar are holy (magic) based (this is the only one that does not follow the pattern)

If anything I think templar should be the ones with Frost based skills. So
Templar would be water (Frost) based

I have 4 toons (one of each class at V14) and I love my DK (he kicks ass) but would like to see balance over all four classes

Templars are holy which means they are warriors against the undead, the undead typically hate fire. Also Templars seem to draw some of their magic from the sun and the sun is hot so making some of their spells be frost based would be just weird to me.

In-Game Description: These traveling knights call upon the powers of light and the burning sun to deal massive damage to their enemies while restoring health, magicka, and stamina to their allies.

They should just add another class like Mage or something similar and give them some frost spells along with other TES series spells and I think that would fix a lot.

Davadin · May 2015

Yes

Yes. but i am very concerned on how to achieve it.

right now there is 2 morphs already, a couple have Stamina instead of Magicka.

if u want Frost, how? a new type of Morph? a whole brand new skill tree? permanent choice when u hit certain level?

Darkonflare15 · May 2015

No

No, should just wait for spell crafting. We do not need another class. We need to build upon the classes we have now and just add new skill lines.

Forestd16b14_ESO · May 2015

Yes

I wouldn't say no but I go with good old fire and burning everything

as the saying goes..... KILL IT WITH FIRE !!!!!

bosmern_ESO · May 2015

Yes

I was thinking that it would be cool if you could go to an area and have your elemental status change to a number of things but you could do this as any class.

newtinmpls · May 2015

No

Natjur wrote: »

I am not against the idea, but prefer they FIX the current classes and their skills before even thinking of adding new ones

At the moment
DK are fire based
Sorc are air (lighting) based
NB are earth (poison) based
Templar are holy (magic) based (this is the only one that does not follow the pattern)

Templars really do not fit in ES lore. The whole idea of servants to dieties - and that's how it's presented - 'gods' is alien to ES. Yes, one might be devoted to or allied with one or more daedra (or aedra) but that is a completely different vibe.

I think the only reason we have a "preist" class in ESO is because the designers didn't understand the lore and tried to fit things into the fighter/mage/theif/priest mold that started with AD&D.

I do think we need expanded skill lines - and I would like to see the class system completely dismantled.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

I am not against the idea, but prefer they FIX the current classes and their skills before even thinking of adding new ones

At the moment
DK are fire based
Sorc are air (lighting) based
NB are earth (poison) based
Templar are holy (magic) based (this is the only one that does not follow the pattern)

Templars really do not fit in ES lore. The whole idea of servants to dieties - and that's how it's presented - 'gods' is alien to ES. Yes, one might be devoted to or allied with one or more daedra (or aedra) but that is a completely different vibe.

I think the only reason we have a "preist" class in ESO is because the designers didn't understand the lore and tried to fit things into the fighter/mage/theif/priest mold that started with AD&D.

I do think we need expanded skill lines - and I would like to see the class system completely dismantled.

They seem an awful lot like the Vigilants of Stendarr, or the Dawnguard. Blazing shield, Dawnbreaker, & Vampiric bane in fact look very similar to abilities from the Dawnguard DLC in Skyrim. I think -that- is where they got inspiration for the Templar class, and I do not much think it is wrong to have. The real problem is that there is a class system, and I think we can likely agree with that.

Ghrimn · May 2015

Yes

@Morduil

Morduil wrote: »

I'd suggest, however - and it is something that I think you imply but don't emphasize, that (...) one were forced to choose fire or ice as an either/or, mutually-exclusive, one-time and irrevocable choice

You're right, that was what I was implying. I said it later on a comment, though. Better edit the description (again) either way and write it there too.

@Kronosphere @Davadin

Kronosphere wrote: »

no new classes but class morphs plz.

Davadin wrote: »

how? a new type of Morph? a whole brand new skill tree? permanent choice when u hit certain level?

What I thought wasn't of making the frost abilities a morph. Players would choose if they wanted to be a Frost or a Fire Dragonknight. This would be a one-time and irrevocable choice.

"It is well accepted that a dragon's most fearsome weapon is its fiery breath. (...) It is less well known that some dragons could breathe a freezing spray of frost. The reports indicate that dragon might do one or the other, but not both." - There Be Dragons, by Torhal Bjorik.

@jkemmery

jkemmery wrote: »

But there were shock dragons in Skyrim.

Yes there are Dragons who use Shock, but don't forget that Dragons haven't been seen for centuries, so there's almost no information about them. People in this time period only acknowledge their use of Fire & Frost.

@Darkonflare15

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

We do not need another class. We need to build upon the classes we have now and just add new skill lines.

This wouldn't create a new class. This would just add the option to change the element in the DK's skill line. Just like staves work.

@newtinmpls

newtinmpls wrote: »

Templars really do not fit in ES lore.

They actually do, they are basically the Crusader class in Morrowind and Oblivion with a brand new name. Also the spells they use are almost identical to what the Dawnguard uses.

@OtarTheMad

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Also Templars seem to draw some of their magic from the sun and the sun is hot so making some of their spells be frost based would be just weird to me.
In-Game Description: These traveling knights call upon the powers of light and the burning sun to deal massive damage to their enemies while restoring health, magicka, and stamina to their allies.

I have no idea why they said this, since the "sun" is anything but a Fiery Ball. Magnus (The Sun) and the stars actually are holes to Aetherius.

timidobserver · May 2015

No

I wouldn't mind having a completely new frost class to be put into the game, but I don't need it to be given to the current DK class.

DisgracefulMind · May 2015

Yes

I have said since spellcrafting was mentioned as a future thing for ESO that I would love to make a Frost Dragonknight. I hope one day this will be possible.

glak · May 2015

Yes

Ghrimn wrote: »

We wouldn't be creating a new Class. This would just change the element in the DK's Skill lines, just like staves.

I didn't read that in the OP. I could get behind using the staff's element to change fire of the Dragonknight to that element just like an Elementalist.

newtinmpls · May 2015

No

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The real problem is that there is a class system, and I think we can likely agree with that.

TESTIFY BROTHER!!

Errr. ... I meant I agree.

Nivzruo_ESO · May 2015

No

Frost DKS already exist.. try WoW.

Ghrimn · May 2015

Yes

@Nivzruo_ESO

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Frost DKS already exist.. try WoW.

DragonKnight ≠ DeathKnight

Mashille · May 2015

The problem with this is that it would give them an option that other classes don;t have. Other things similar to this would have to be given to other classes to make it even.

Wolfchild07 · May 2015

Yes

Fire/ice/lightning/acid/sonic would all be cool to choose from, but won't happen.

Merlin13KAGL · May 2015

No

Since there is no "Other" option in the pole, had to go with "No."

Each class should have the option to specialize in one element with buffs and weaknesses accordingly.

Specialization should afford the benefits and effects (gained through leveling/skills advancement) and should allow all elements to be equally effective.

It would greatly vary the builds beyond Fire, Fire, Fire.

LtCrunch · May 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

I am not against the idea, but prefer they FIX the current classes and their skills before even thinking of adding new ones

At the moment
DK are fire based
Sorc are air (lighting) based
NB are earth (poison) based
Templar are holy (magic) based (this is the only one that does not follow the pattern)

Templars really do not fit in ES lore. The whole idea of servants to dieties - and that's how it's presented - 'gods' is alien to ES. Yes, one might be devoted to or allied with one or more daedra (or aedra) but that is a completely different vibe.

I think the only reason we have a "preist" class in ESO is because the designers didn't understand the lore and tried to fit things into the fighter/mage/theif/priest mold that started with AD&D.

I do think we need expanded skill lines - and I would like to see the class system completely dismantled.

Templars = the Crusader class from Morrowind/Oblivion maybe with a little bit of the healer thrown in. The dawnguard and Vigilants of Stendarr are just two examples of entire factions that fit into the archetype that the Templar represents.

Veridiano02 · May 2015

Yes

OtarTheMad wrote: »

They could just make a Mage class which has more TES series type spells and focuses on the other elements like frost, lightning and other schools of magic like alteration, illusion to fill out the class skill lines. And yes, the Mage class and Sorcerer class in TES lore is actually different.

^This^

BuggeX · May 2015

they should remove all classes, and you have to choice from schools of Magic.

One main School and one second.

Main School has Access to the "master" speels and ultis.

second School just have Access to expert skills without ultis.

But, you can swap them when ever you want(shrin of somthing in cpaital City)

this would be a es game, Play wath you want etc.

Spell craft whould fit perfect into this, all spells form spellcraft are alocated under a School.

So if i want to summon a fire atronarch as ulti, i have to choice the summon School as main.

Milktray · May 2015

No

I would have liked Sorcerors to be the class that hurls huge fireballs from their hands but closest you get to it is a bloody DK, so unless they are going to give you the option of Fire line/morph for the Sorceror i don't see why DK should get any more preferential treatment and get Frost as well.

They'd be better off adding in new morphs to all the classes, so can morph towards Frost/Fire/Air

Samadhi · May 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

I am not against the idea, but prefer they FIX the current classes and their skills before even thinking of adding new ones

At the moment
DK are fire based
Sorc are air (lighting) based
NB are earth (poison) based
Templar are holy (magic) based (this is the only one that does not follow the pattern)

Templars really do not fit in ES lore. The whole idea of servants to dieties - and that's how it's presented - 'gods' is alien to ES. Yes, one might be devoted to or allied with one or more daedra (or aedra) but that is a completely different vibe.

I think the only reason we have a "preist" class in ESO is because the designers didn't understand the lore and tried to fit things into the fighter/mage/theif/priest mold that started with AD&D.

I do think we need expanded skill lines - and I would like to see the class system completely dismantled.

Fun fact: Daggerfall actually had eight separate Templar orders in the game.

Order of the Hour — The military arm of the Akatosh Chantry.
Knights of the Circle — The military arm of the Order of Arkay.
Order of the Lily — The military arm of the House of Dibella.
Knights Mentor — The military arm of the School of Julianos.
Kynaran Order — The military arm of the Temple of Kynareth.
Maran Knights — The military arm of the Benevolence of Mara.
The Crusaders — The military arm of the Temple of Stendarr.
Knights of Iron — The military arm of the Resolution of Zenithar.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Temples

Make a character that runs around and smites people in the name of the Order of the Lily.

Ghrimn · May 2015

Yes

I feel like I need to explain this...

The main reason for me to come up with this idea had nothing to do with Frost being under-represented. I came up with this due to DragonKinght Lore. It just so happened to also solve the Frost thingy. So to everyone who suggests adding a brand new frost related class, it's not a bad idea, but it still wouldn't solve the DragonKnight Lore "issue".

As to everyone who says that it would be unfair to other classes: I couldn't agree more.
But, it would only make sense for 2 classes to have more than one element, DragonKnights and Sorcerers. Templars and Nightblades are exactly how they're derscribed in Lore.