[Build] Magicka melee NB (updated the 14/07/2015)

Erondil

Dancheek wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

As soon as you swap your bar you lose all buffs you gained from it including the recovery one.
If you switch back your health won't get pushed to the 5% increased one in an instant - it's as high as your other one but missing 5% more until max.
It's only useful if you stay on that bar a long time..

I am aware that the passive hp gain is gone but I am pretty sure the spell damage buff you get stays... I just tested it actually and my sp goes up when switching bars after applying entropy on a target.

Anyway one build im playing with now is without utilizing a gap closer and just having entropy on the main bar

Pretty much what soulac said (major sorcellery and MotG stays but not the 5% hp nor others mageguild passives), and I prefer having an aoe in my build to be more flexible, its very helpful to find NBs who try to cloak away . More than that, with sape essence and cripple, I have a siphon skill in each bar for the 8% extra magicka (otherwise I would have to drop clouding swarm for soul tether to get it) and I'm not used to play with cripple in my dps bar, but thats some personnal taste!
I dont like at all to play without gapcloser in a melee build because ennemies tend to run away when they're getting pressured,and teleport strine gives a great mobility combined with shadow image but if you can do without, then entropy instead of sap essence should work.
Also with 1.5k magicka regen, 3 reduce magicka cost glyphs, 300 cp and harness magicka, I dont have magicka issues at all, and I use some pots from time to time The key is to always keep harness up, even agaisnt stamina players, healing ward>harness and you got magicka back when the ennemy hits your healing ward

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil about the ultimates, wouldnt meteor be better than cloudind swarm, just wondering

Exactly what @ToRelax and @Soulac said, in some occasions meteor can be usefull and sometimes I regret to not have it slotted, but overall I prefer the survivability+high damages from clouding swarm or soul tether. That being said, in some duels agaisnt very good sorcerers, when I need more burst, I use it !

Thanks to answer @ToRelax and @Soulac

Soulac

Denne we need to think about the coming patch!

Erondil

Soulac wrote: »

Denne we need to think about the coming patch!

Sure, I should be back this week-end will you finnally be magicka again btw?

Reeko

Hey @Erondil ,

I just recently respecced to a magicka NB Funnel spam. Once i get Destruction staff to 50 i'm swtching back to Dw and going more magicka melee based. My questions for you are:

1. What are crafting sets i could use that would be good for this? I want to avoid dropped sets for now.

2. Since i do not currently have access to Nirnhoned, what traits would you recommend for weapons?

3. What mundus stone do you use?

4. Finally, i'm not sure about going vampire yet. However i am a Khajiit, is the hp regen racial helpful in negating the penalty from being a vamp? And aside from the passives, are the penaltys for being a vamp worth it in your opinion?

Soulac

Erondil wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Denne we need to think about the coming patch!

Sure, I should be back this week-end will you finnally be magicka again btw?

Don´t think will run magicka again.
Want to try Stamina Vamp NB next patch :P

Waylander

I like this build a lot and run it and some variations of it. Magica NB's are quite flexible and have several great skills that are viable in most magica builds. Making sure you have a syphoning ability for the magica controller is imho essential if looking to maximise your damage potential and makes you have to think about what you put on your skill bars.

With regard to the suggestion of structured entropy on your resto bar, it is a good place to put it if you want something that can proc might of the guild because the lost health on the weapon swap is in your favour when swapping to put a healing ward up as it will have a better chance to trigger a high damage shield ward (as its 300% scaling is based on missing health). That said, I prefer something that doesn't reveal my presence and tend to use a toggle of inner light for the +7% max magica (when setting up for proximity detonation bombing).

I like sap essence though and try to use it will a timed prox det and clouding swarm combo on groups (feels great when you take out 6+ people with a well timed solo bomb.

I see a lot of new magica NB's running around now in preparation for IC. Perhaps radiant magelight can be my toggle ability, just have so much trouble with getting everything I need on that front dps bar!

Erondil

Reeko wrote: »

Hey @Erondil ,

I just recently respecced to a magicka NB Funnel spam. Once i get Destruction staff to 50 i'm swtching back to Dw and going more magicka melee based. My questions for you are:

1. What are crafting sets i could use that would be good for this? I want to avoid dropped sets for now.

2. Since i do not currently have access to Nirnhoned, what traits would you recommend for weapons?

3. What mundus stone do you use?

4. Finally, i'm not sure about going vampire yet. However i am a Khajiit, is the hp regen racial helpful in negating the penalty from being a vamp? And aside from the passives, are the penaltys for being a vamp worth it in your opinion?

1) Magnus (4-5 pieces) and thorug's pact (2 pieces) are the only ones you can use for damages, whitestrake can be a good choice but I am not sure you will have enough damages with it.

2) Sharpened.

3) Atronach. With destro and funnel health you could go apprentice for more damages (funnel health is cheap and destro heavy attacks give magicka back)

4)You should go without vamp, at least for the first days because with vamp youre extremly squishy. The health regeneration isnt a big deal and you shouldnt be worried about that but you take 40% more damages from fire and 9% more from every players. Once you have practised a bit this build and switched to dw, clouding swarm definitely worth it, especially combined with concelead weapon, khajiit passive and proximity detonation.

Reeko

Thank you! While i am enjoying destro funnel spam i miss the "in your face" of melee lol. I watched your video as well, very nice! Clouding Swarm actually looks like alot of fun!

ToRelax

After testing NB a bit on PTS, I think a Destro/Resto build will gain a lot more burst potential then now, using Agony and Assassin's Will. But either way, the playstyle is really squishy against the new shieldbreaker set. Especially when using Harness. So, I'll have to duel you a bit after the character copy. ^^

Erondil

ToRelax wrote: »

After testing NB a bit on PTS, I think a Destro/Resto build will gain a lot more burst potential then now, using Agony and Assassin's Will. But either way, the playstyle is really squishy against the new shieldbreaker set. Especially when using Harness. So, I'll have to duel you a bit after the character copy. ^^

Sure, once I am back I will have a lot of stuff to test too anyway

Reeko

Hey @Erondil !

One more question if you don't mind. What enchants would you recommend on the weapons? I do a mix of both pve and pvp. I was thinking Disease and fire but heard good things about crushing. Thoughts?

AllPlayAndNoWork

Reeko wrote: »

Hey @Erondil !

One more question if you don't mind. What enchants would you recommend on the weapons? I do a mix of both pve and pvp. I was thinking Disease and fire but heard good things about crushing. Thoughts?

Crushing does not work with spell based (magicka) attacks (I think) only physical attacks (weapon damage).

Reeko

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Hey @Erondil !

One more question if you don't mind. What enchants would you recommend on the weapons? I do a mix of both pve and pvp. I was thinking Disease and fire but heard good things about crushing. Thoughts?

Crushing does not work with spell based (magicka) attacks (I think) only physical attacks (weapon damage).

Yeah i kinda figured that but still, thought i would just ask lol. Also i decided to go with Disease main and Poison off because of Thaumaturge. And i did not have Weighted researched for my Resto staves apparently so i opted for Infused. Figure that was the next best choice considering i put Absorb Magicka on it.

Erondil

Reeko wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Hey @Erondil !

One more question if you don't mind. What enchants would you recommend on the weapons? I do a mix of both pve and pvp. I was thinking Disease and fire but heard good things about crushing. Thoughts?

Crushing does not work with spell based (magicka) attacks (I think) only physical attacks (weapon damage).

Yeah i kinda figured that but still, thought i would just ask lol. Also i decided to go with Disease main and Poison off because of Thaumaturge. And i did not have Weighted researched for my Resto staves apparently so i opted for Infused. Figure that was the next best choice considering i put Absorb Magicka on it.

Thats exactly what I have for dual wield : disease and poison. But once you got disease main, the other enchant doesnt matter much anyway. For the staff infused is ok, though defending might be better.

Whyn Aurum

Hey man I like the build. I was away from ESO for 3 months and decided to come back. I've only ever played magicka NB so I will always look to make it valible again.

I like the healer set that you are using. I've tested it with torugs pack chest&weapons (I dont have the undaunted passive yet) and I like the decent resource sustain and high spell damage.

I swapped out sap essence for entropy to be able to get the major sorcery before I teleport into my enemy. Never liked sap, dunno why, seems more of a group ability actually.

I don't have magicka detonation yet but am working on getting it, I think this build might be able to finally break my streak of frustration with magicka NB. I just hope something like this will be fine for imperial city, although I doubt it considering so many new sets are getting introduced...

Anyway - good job!

Rhaegar75

'Right....here I am in need of help. Very sadly I will be putting my Templar on hold and I'm considering the idea of moving from a Sun Knight to a Dark Knight (I like roleplaying).

My concerns is that my playstyle (heavy armour and healing skills) is not going to fit with the NBs: I fear I'll be terribly squishy.

How would I manage to keep myself alive as a NB?

Erondil

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

Hey man I like the build. I was away from ESO for 3 months and decided to come back. I've only ever played magicka NB so I will always look to make it valible again.

I like the healer set that you are using. I've tested it with torugs pack chest&weapons (I dont have the undaunted passive yet) and I like the decent resource sustain and high spell damage.

I swapped out sap essence for entropy to be able to get the major sorcery before I teleport into my enemy. Never liked sap, dunno why, seems more of a group ability actually.

I don't have magicka detonation yet but am working on getting it, I think this build might be able to finally break my streak of frustration with magicka NB. I just hope something like this will be fine for imperial city, although I doubt it considering so many new sets are getting introduced...

Anyway - good job!

Thanks! I have to warn you ibtw, this build can be very frustrating, those days when everybody use mark and detect pot, or when cloak never works...

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

'Right....here I am in need of help. Very sadly I will be putting my Templar on hold and I'm considering the idea of moving from a Sun Knight to a Dark Knight (I like roleplaying).

My concerns is that my playstyle (heavy armour and healing skills) is not going to fit with the NBs: I fear I'll be terribly squishy.

How would I manage to keep myself alive as a NB?

You can be very tanky with heavy armour+1h/shield and use funnel health/sap essence to keep you alive. I dont really like this gameplay, but its very viable!
If you run a setup such as mine (light armour with dual wield or staff) then you will be extremly squishy, and you need to be always invisble when you're not attacking (use cloak, shadow image and break the line of sight).

Reeko

What are your thoughts on Structured Entropy over Sap Essence? I find i like Sap more in PvE situations and Entropy in PvP. Being able to get the major sorcery buff from range while also increasing my next attack by 20%? Awesome! The HoT/DoT is just an added bonus.

bebitohh

@Erondil videosssssss pls !!! Lol

Lowenhigh

Reeko wrote: »

What are your thoughts on Structured Entropy over Sap Essence? I find i like Sap more in PvE situations and Entropy in PvP. Being able to get the major sorcery buff from range while also increasing my next attack by 20%? Awesome! The HoT/DoT is just an added bonus.

Entropy is going to be better next patch due to a nerf incoming to inner light/radiant magelight. Next patch, magelight will not trigger the 20% damage on next ability passive.

Reeko

Lowenhigh wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

What are your thoughts on Structured Entropy over Sap Essence? I find i like Sap more in PvE situations and Entropy in PvP. Being able to get the major sorcery buff from range while also increasing my next attack by 20%? Awesome! The HoT/DoT is just an added bonus.

Entropy is going to be better next patch due to a nerf incoming to inner light/radiant magelight. Next patch, magelight will not trigger the 20% damage on next ability passive.

Ok how does that make Entropy better? It is staying the same from what i read.

Dancheek

Reeko wrote: »

Lowenhigh wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

What are your thoughts on Structured Entropy over Sap Essence? I find i like Sap more in PvE situations and Entropy in PvP. Being able to get the major sorcery buff from range while also increasing my next attack by 20%? Awesome! The HoT/DoT is just an added bonus.

Entropy is going to be better next patch due to a nerf incoming to inner light/radiant magelight. Next patch, magelight will not trigger the 20% damage on next ability passive.

Ok how does that make Entropy better? It is staying the same from what i read.

Because you'll have no way to constantly trigger might of the guild without entropy

Reeko

Dancheek wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

Lowenhigh wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

What are your thoughts on Structured Entropy over Sap Essence? I find i like Sap more in PvE situations and Entropy in PvP. Being able to get the major sorcery buff from range while also increasing my next attack by 20%? Awesome! The HoT/DoT is just an added bonus.

Entropy is going to be better next patch due to a nerf incoming to inner light/radiant magelight. Next patch, magelight will not trigger the 20% damage on next ability passive.

Ok how does that make Entropy better? It is staying the same from what i read.

Because you'll have no way to constantly trigger might of the guild without entropy

I use Entropy over Inner Light to trigger passive anyways so no change for me

Erondil

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil videosssssss pls !!! Lol

@bebitohh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k5FkZvbEK8[MEDIA]
Here you go

Reeko

@Erondil
You are like a one man army!

Would you mind helping me with my skill bar setup?

Bar 1 DW:
Dark Cloak
Concealed Weapon
Crippling Grasp
Structered Entropy
Inner Light
Ulti: Soul Harvest

Bar 2 Resto:
Healing Ward
Blur
Harness Magicka
Retreating Maneuver
Funnel Health
Ulti: Ice Comet

I'm trying to squeeze Mass Hysteria in there as i love that move for perma blockers and such. However i tried replacing Harness but missed the padding against Crystal Frags and the like. Was thinking swapping out Retreating but my horse is so darn slow atm

Any advice would be appreciated!

Erondil

Reeko wrote: »

@Erondil
You are like a one man army!

Would you mind helping me with my skill bar setup?

Bar 1 DW:
Dark Cloak
Concealed Weapon
Crippling Grasp
Structered Entropy
Inner Light
Ulti: Soul Harvest

Bar 2 Resto:
Healing Ward
Blur
Harness Magicka
Retreating Maneuver
Funnel Health
Ulti: Ice Comet

I'm trying to squeeze Mass Hysteria in there as i love that move for perma blockers and such. However i tried replacing Harness but missed the padding against Crystal Frags and the like. Was thinking swapping out Retreating but my horse is so darn slow atm

Any advice would be appreciated!

I would switch innerlight for fear and, once your horse is fast enough, rapid manouver for relentless focus. Beside that it looks good

Reeko

Erondil wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

@Erondil
You are like a one man army!

Would you mind helping me with my skill bar setup?

Bar 1 DW:
Dark Cloak
Concealed Weapon
Crippling Grasp
Structered Entropy
Inner Light
Ulti: Soul Harvest

Bar 2 Resto:
Healing Ward
Blur
Harness Magicka
Retreating Maneuver
Funnel Health
Ulti: Ice Comet

I'm trying to squeeze Mass Hysteria in there as i love that move for perma blockers and such. However i tried replacing Harness but missed the padding against Crystal Frags and the like. Was thinking swapping out Retreating but my horse is so darn slow atm

Any advice would be appreciated!

I would switch innerlight for fear and, once your horse is fast enough, rapid manouver for relentless focus. Beside that it looks good

So i tried swapping cripple for teleport (cause i missed it) and entropy for sap (for the siphon passive) and im liking it so far. I feel a bit more mobile but miss the speed cripple gave (im never happy lol)

So you say drop inner light? The 20% crit is nice, puts me at 62% but i suppose crit don't mean much against shields huh? I'll take your word for it and try it out. Thanks!

Erondil

Reeko wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

@Erondil
You are like a one man army!

Would you mind helping me with my skill bar setup?

Bar 1 DW:
Dark Cloak
Concealed Weapon
Crippling Grasp
Structered Entropy
Inner Light
Ulti: Soul Harvest

Bar 2 Resto:
Healing Ward
Blur
Harness Magicka
Retreating Maneuver
Funnel Health
Ulti: Ice Comet

I'm trying to squeeze Mass Hysteria in there as i love that move for perma blockers and such. However i tried replacing Harness but missed the padding against Crystal Frags and the like. Was thinking swapping out Retreating but my horse is so darn slow atm

Any advice would be appreciated!

I would switch innerlight for fear and, once your horse is fast enough, rapid manouver for relentless focus. Beside that it looks good

So i tried swapping cripple for teleport (cause i missed it) and entropy for sap (for the siphon passive) and im liking it so far. I feel a bit more mobile but miss the speed cripple gave (im never happy lol)

So you say drop inner light? The 20% crit is nice, puts me at 62% but i suppose crit don't mean much against shields huh? I'll take your word for it and try it out. Thanks!

Well you can't crit agaisnt blocking taget nor agaisnt shields, while the 8% damage bonus from relentless focus works agaisnt everything. Also magelight is a toggle, if you don't use 2 slots for it in a fight you can't always take the time to retoggle it everytime you switch bar, its way easier to recast relentless focus every 20 seconds.

bebitohh

@Erondil i know this might be a stupid question but do i need like a good mouse to be competitive, for example naga hex from razer ? lol

ChefZero

Erondil wrote: »

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil videosssssss pls !!! Lol

@bebitohh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k5FkZvbEK8[MEDIA]
Here you go

Lol this video is from 1.6. We need new stuff ^^