[Build] Magicka melee NB (updated the 14/07/2015)

bebitohh

@Erondil can you update us of your build

kaithuzar

Everyone probably knows this already as I've posted a few different places but I'm still supporting storm knight + elf bane (4 ea) + 2 cyrodiil's light rings & 2 torug's pact nirn swords; #i_love_my_build

I've started spec'ing more champion pts into stam recovery though & had a lot of thoughts about whether or not to change my build up by doing some type of hybrid mixing siphoning & caltrops as xinthysis & arax were talking about, maybe switching to werewolf instead of vamp & using tri-regen drink with lord mundus for the extra health however i'm having difficulty making it synergize well with my playstyle; but that is the most efficient & OP way of doing it
( let the record state i'm the first one to state all of this combo'd up in case it "becomes a thing" lol )

currently i'm still sticking with atro mundus & food since the other style of playing listed above was too difficult for me to get used to

AllPlayAndNoWork

kaithuzar wrote: »

Everyone probably knows this already as I've posted a few different places but I'm still supporting storm knight + elf bane (4 ea) + 2 cyrodiil's light rings & 2 torug's pact nirn swords; #i_love_my_build

I've started spec'ing more champion pts into stam recovery though & had a lot of thoughts about whether or not to change my build up by doing some type of hybrid mixing siphoning & caltrops as xinthysis & arax were talking about, maybe switching to werewolf instead of vamp & using tri-regen drink with lord mundus for the extra health however i'm having difficulty making it synergize well with my playstyle; but that is the most efficient & OP way of doing it
( let the record state i'm the first one to state all of this combo'd up in case it "becomes a thing" lol )

currently i'm still sticking with atro mundus & food since the other style of playing listed above was too difficult for me to get used to

Just because its quoted doesn't make you the 1st........... I have a magicka NB with a heavy set up as well, have for a while now (just saying).

Erondil

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil can you update us of your build

Edited the OP with my current setup.

kaithuzar

@AllPlayAndNoWork , I know dude, it would be impossible for me to claim that title; or at least I'd have to be a dev & able to look at timestamps on when myself or others started using what gear et al...

There were many others "sap tanking" before I, & while I did start using storm knight in pvp shortly after v12 came out, what I was trying to say in my above statement was idk of anyone else using "that particular combo alltogether".

Not saying anyone else couldn't, or isn't, just that I play with some hardcore people & have for a long time & that if they aren't doing this then I highly doubt anyone else is b/c it's really a difficult play style. Hell, in ESO's current state of being ruled by nirn, I don't even know a ton of people still playing magic based nb but the ones that do I typically remember to give them credit, as noted above to xin & arax but I'll also take this time to thank durruthy & sypher as both are also awesome nb's that I speak with occasionally & trade ideas with.

@Erondil , you said high elf is the best but actually there's a very good reason why your bosmer might be better, i'll leave it to you to figure out

Erondil

kaithuzar wrote: »

@Erondil , you said high elf is the best but actually there's a very good reason why your bosmer might be better, i'll leave it to you to figure out

There are 2 reasons I'm very happy with my bosmer : the huge stamina regen combined with the NB passive permite me to get a decent stamina regen without any other bonus, while other magicka builds often have to use drinks or one bloodspawn piece if they want to break cc every 6 seconds.
More than that, bosmer grants 10% bonus damages when hidden which synergize very well with vampirism and the use of clouding swarm. Especially for this last passive, bosmer is imo a better choice than Breton if you go vamp. However, I figured that Altmer would grant me more damages even in cloak/clouding swarm thanks to the 10% extra magicka (which is a lot) but also because the magicka regen permites to drop atronach for mage or apprentice, two mundus stones that increase significantly our damages.

Valnas

just fyi, the bosmer passive is for stealth, not invisibility unless things have changed ?

Erondil

Valnas wrote: »

just fyi, the bosmer passive is for stealth, not invisibility unless things have changed ?

It works also for invisibility, and it was already the case in 1.5.

Araxleon

Erondil wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

just fyi, the bosmer passive is for stealth, not invisibility unless things have changed ?

It works also for invisibility, and it was already the case in 1.5.

Yep, Its one of the main reasons my magicka khajiit is so successful.

Master_Kas

Nice guide erondil . I've tried a similar build some times, have to give it a go again

bebitohh

@Erondil which mundus is better mage or apprentice ?

mtwiggz

Been using these same armor sets on my Sorc for a few months now, it's absolutely amazing. After seeing this post I decided to wipe the dust off of my NB and give it a whirl. To my surprise it hits quite well.

I thoroughly miss the days of Magicka Melee NB. This will be fun.

Erondil

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil which mundus is better mage or apprentice ?

For the moment, nirn reigning supreme, I would say apprentice because it increases damages a lot agaisnt nirnhorned players. In 1.7 maybe the Mage will be better...

bebitohh

@Erondil when are we goin to see more videos on youtube, i keep watching the same ones over n over lol thats how kool they are !

Erondil

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil when are we goin to see more videos on youtube, i keep watching the same ones over n over lol thats how kool they are !

I'm in vacations until 20 august or so, far away from my computer... I wanted to release a last video before but didnt found the time to edit it I hope I will be able to release one before 1.7 tho!

bebitohh

@erondil what you think about the patch notes ? Lol

Erondil

bebitohh wrote: »

@erondil what you think about the patch notes ? Lol

Looks like I will be playing a fotm build again ahah

bebitohh

@Erondil umm which do you use in open world pvp, harness magika or double take n why (:

Lava_Croft

Erondil wrote: »

bebitohh wrote: »

@erondil what you think about the patch notes ? Lol

Looks like I will be playing a fotm build again ahah

It sucks to fight endless hordes of clones.

Erondil

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil umm which do you use in open world pvp, harness magika or double take n why (:

I use harness magicka,it helps a lot to my magicka sustain and I like to have those 10k extrashield when I burst someone down. Double take is cool, but I dont want to rely too much on a dodge chance for my survivability. I would use it if I had a sixth slot tho

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

bebitohh wrote: »

@erondil what you think about the patch notes ? Lol

Looks like I will be playing a fotm build again ahah

It sucks to fight endless hordes of clones.

True

wharf

@Erondil hi, what do you think is the best way to deal with sorc mines as a magic NB. Do you usually just harness magic, ambush, then fear into their mines?

Resipsa131

Ever run with dampen magicka as opposed to harness?

Erondil

wharf wrote: »

@Erondil hi, what do you think is the best way to deal with sorc mines as a magic NB. Do you usually just harness magic, ambush, then fear into their mines?

Pretty much. But dont forget to bloock before ambush so you reduce a lot mines damages

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Ever run with dampen magicka as opposed to harness?

Yes but I prefer the magicka back because its almost unlimited magicka with it (and I dont have a big regen for the moment) . With more cp I will use dampen tho!

bebitohh

@Erondil about the ultimates, wouldnt meteor be better than cloudind swarm, just wondering

Dancheek

Hi I just started using a similar build but I'm just curious why don't you use entropy instead of siphon? I keep cripple on my main bar for the passive and entropy on my off bar, and sometimes I keep both on main bar and just don't use a gap closer (with cripple+ cloak I have enough speed to catch up).

Having entropy gives you more hp and you can entropy+ cripple and jump on them before they know what's going on... also how do you manage your magicka? I had no real problem managing it until I switched to dual wield now Im down very quickly... spamming concealed weapon seems to drain it even with regen drink and atronarch

Just curious on your thoughts on this out if you've tested it

ToRelax

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil about the ultimates, wouldnt meteor be better than cloudind swarm, just wondering

1. Meteor can be countered easily, even reflected.
2. For higher instant burst and useability, Soul Tether would be better than Meteor.
3. For cc, fear is more reliable.
4. Clouding Swarm buffs other damage.

Soulac

bebitohh wrote: »

@Erondil about the ultimates, wouldnt meteor be better than cloudind swarm, just wondering

Meteor takes some time, is cloak able and reflectable.
Bats making you invis for a short time, got a nice range and increases the dmg overall thanks to NB passives.
Also dennegor is a Bosmer - another 10% dmg boost while being in bats.
Concealed Weapon also stuns everyone as long as you have your bats up.

Bats > Meteor

Dancheek wrote: »

Hi I just started using a similar build but I'm just curious why don't you use entropy instead of siphon? I keep cripple on my main bar for the passive and entropy on my off bar, and sometimes I keep both on main bar and just don't use a gap closer (with cripple+ cloak I have enough speed to catch up).

Having entropy gives you more hp and you can entropy+ cripple and jump on them before they know what's going on... also how do you manage your magicka? I had no real problem managing it until I switched to dual wield now Im down very quickly... spamming concealed weapon seems to drain it even with regen drink and atronarch

Just curious on your thoughts on this out if you've tested it

You'd need entropy on both bars.
Since denne uses sap he doesn't need the other morph to get the spelldmg boost.
The degeneration dot is rather low, not worth to bother with - overall a wasted slot.
In 1v1 on the other hand you could use it instead of sap tho, but not the entropy morph.

Magicka management shouldn't be hard if you keep Harness up and choke potions from time to time.

Dancheek

Soulac wrote: »

You'd need entropy on both bars.
Since denne uses sap he doesn't need the other morph to get the spelldmg boost.
The degeneration dot is rather low, not worth to bother with - overall a wasted slot.
In 1v1 on the other hand you could use it instead of sap tho, but not the entropy morph.

Magicka management shouldn't be hard if you keep Harness up and choke potions from time to time.

Why would you need it on both bars? Just curious.

Also you get the extra magic+regen passives having entropy slotted, not to mention the might of the guild proc when you use it... which seems as a better skill than siphon... Just curious if you've tried it out and messed around with it, I know people's play styles have a lot to do with the skills they choose. I'm a lot squishier than op so I'd rather use my buff spells from afar before jumping in

Soulac

Dancheek wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

You'd need entropy on both bars.
Since denne uses sap he doesn't need the other morph to get the spelldmg boost.
The degeneration dot is rather low, not worth to bother with - overall a wasted slot.
In 1v1 on the other hand you could use it instead of sap tho, but not the entropy morph.

Magicka management shouldn't be hard if you keep Harness up and choke potions from time to time.

Why would you need it on both bars? Just curious.

Also you get the extra magic+regen passives having entropy slotted, not to mention the might of the guild proc when you use it... which seems as a better skill than siphon... Just curious if you've tried it out and messed around with it, I know people's play styles have a lot to do with the skills they choose. I'm a lot squishier than op so I'd rather use my buff spells from afar before jumping in

As soon as you swap your bar you lose all buffs you gained from it including the recovery one.
If you switch back your health won't get pushed to the 5% increased one in an instant - it's as high as your other one but missing 5% more until max.
It's only useful if you stay on that bar a long time..

Dancheek

Soulac wrote: »

As soon as you swap your bar you lose all buffs you gained from it including the recovery one.
If you switch back your health won't get pushed to the 5% increased one in an instant - it's as high as your other one but missing 5% more until max.
It's only useful if you stay on that bar a long time..

I am aware that the passive hp gain is gone but I am pretty sure the spell damage buff you get stays... I just tested it actually and my sp goes up when switching bars after applying entropy on a target.

Anyway one build im playing with now is without utilizing a gap closer and just having entropy on the main bar