[Build] Magicka melee NB (updated the 14/07/2015)

LameoveR

TL;DR, but it's awesome.
You've made a good job!

Erondil

LameoveR wrote: »

TL;DR, but it's awesome.
You've made a good job!

Thanks

Tonnopesce

Annnnnnnd if i have an argonian?

I'm doomed i know..... But actually i use a similar set up, still vr1atm but playng as a magika nightblade is sooooo fun.

Using all the best from the nigthblade the argonian and the alchemy passives i still can have a better use from potions but not the perfect choice imho...

Erondil

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Annnnnnnd if i have an argonian?

I'm doomed i know..... But actually i use a similar set up, still vr1atm but playng as a magika nightblade is sooooo fun.

Using all the best from the nigthblade the argonian and the alchemy passives i still can have a better use from potions but not the perfect choice imho...

Well race doesnt matter much anyway, all are quite fine (Im bosmer, not the best for a magicka build). And argonian got style points tho :P

kaithuzar

@Erondil I think some of your champions pts are in the wrong place
I've always heard spell erosion is bugged & it's not really worth more than 1 pt in there.
I dont put more than 1 in reduce cost breakfree/roll dodge b/c i'm not a stam user & have legerdemain (however it's spelled) reduce sneak passives + vampirisim.
I don't put more than 1 into spell shield; I stack 25 into reduce fire/frost/shock & 15 into reduce magic/poison/et al dmg
just my thoughts
-kai

Erondil

kaithuzar wrote: »

@Erondil I think some of your champions pts are in the wrong place
I've always heard spell erosion is bugged & it's not really worth more than 1 pt in there.
I dont put more than 1 in reduce cost breakfree/roll dodge b/c i'm not a stam user & have legerdemain (however it's spelled) reduce sneak passives + vampirisim.
I don't put more than 1 into spell shield; I stack 25 into reduce fire/frost/shock & 15 into reduce magic/poison/et al dmg
just my thoughts
-kai

I changed a bit my champions points since I made this post, but spell erosion is now working as intended (I'm 95% sure); thumbling permite to roll dodge/break cc much more then a magicka build without them, and if I want cloak to work I need to rolldodge before, in a 1vX situation. Since its a %, its more efficient for magicka users than stamina users (it reduces the cost by more). I've now stacked quite a lot of cps in elemental resist as you did, because of vamp.
About my setup, I'm currently trying with 4 healer instead of adroitness+cyro light, it improves my magicka managment by a lot.

Resipsa131

I have a V1 DW NB vamp that I recently converted from Stamina to Magicka
A couple questions if you are still monitoring this thread;
1. Would you invest a couple points into blade cloak as a utility spell against AoE in some cases?
2. Have you messed around with hysteria as opposed to terror?
3. What types of AoE do you substitute in while PvE? Do you invest any points into Destruction?

Thanks for the helpful advice.

Knootewoot

What I wanna now is how some magicka nb can stay stealhed forever. They just seem to blink in and out of existence while attacking. I see them cast teleport strike and then they gone. Then they hit me and they gone. I don't even see them concealing weapon me.

Must be my bad eye sight and maybe my stamina NB does the same on others (which I can't see because I have no clue what others see on the battlefield)

And awesome build. 1.5 I had about the same dw bar. Never used a staff though. But I could not get magikca work in 1.6 (

Fatalyis

Knootewoot wrote: »

What I wanna now is how some magicka nb can stay stealhed forever. They just seem to blink in and out of existence while attacking. I see them cast teleport strike and then they gone. Then they hit me and they gone. I don't even see them concealing weapon me.

Must be my bad eye sight and maybe my stamina NB does the same on others (which I can't see because I have no clue what others see on the battlefield)

And awesome build. 1.5 I had about the same dw bar. Never used a staff though. But I could not get magikca work in 1.6 (

The key to being able to use Dark Cloak a lot is going for high Magicka regen. With 1400 regen, I can cast Dark Cloak every 2 seconds and stealth from one end of Cyrodiil to the other. So long as your opponent isn't using detect pots (which is getting an overhaul to not work on NB cloak in the future) then you should be using cloak a lot in prolonged fights.

Knootewoot

Ah kk. As a stamina I cannot spam cloak that much anymore. Also my detect potions seem to fail a lot then.

Oh well, I was planning on going Magicka again. I have been a bowtard for to long again. Magicka also fits better for my Breton.

Erondil

Resipsa131 wrote: »

I have a V1 DW NB vamp that I recently converted from Stamina to Magicka
A couple questions if you are still monitoring this thread;
1. Would you invest a couple points into blade cloak as a utility spell against AoE in some cases?
2. Have you messed around with hysteria as opposed to terror?
3. What types of AoE do you substitute in while PvE? Do you invest any points into Destruction?

Thanks for the helpful advice.

1. If I had 2*10 slots maybe I would slot it. With only 2*5 slots we have much better tools to slot imo.
2. I dont really understand... the fear trap morph you mean? I dont like it because its not instant and hard to use well.
3. In PvE I use a destruction staff with funnel health for monotarget and dual wield with sap essence for AoE. I didnt PvE much in 1.6 tho, since I reached Undaunted lvl9 in 1.5

JDar

ermagherd op you don't use funnel health??? *head explodes* It's so cheap

Erondil

JDar wrote: »

ermagherd op you don't use funnel health??? *head explodes* It's so cheap

Nope I don't use it. Its too easily counterable and damages are far lower than concelead weapon. When I want to kite I rather use cripple+shadow image+resto heavy attack.

AllPlayAndNoWork

So you are a stam NB now ??

Erondil

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

pjwb16_ESO

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

needs a bit longer til you are bored then til i am xD, during the time you changed i had like 50 builds

AllPlayAndNoWork

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

JDar

Erondil wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

ermagherd op you don't use funnel health??? *head explodes* It's so cheap

Nope I don't use it. Its too easily counterable and damages are far lower than concelead weapon. When I want to kite I rather use cripple+shadow image+resto heavy attack.

Also good

Hey someone told me that concealed weapon ignores spell resist. Is that true? My tooltip is about 4.7k and usually hits for about 3.5 on an average non-blocking v14. Seems about right but i dunno.

pjwb16_ESO

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

who is legio? + you do as if rolling a special build is something like a religion lol

JDar

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

who is legio? + you do like rolling a special build is something like a religion lol

Build hipsterism. I hate cookie cutter builds too. *tips fedora*

Maphusail

Hi Erondil,

1. Why did you enchant your axes with nirnhoned? I understand why you use 2 weapons - it gives you more spell damage and 2 items set bonus from Torug's Pact, but what is the use of nirnhoned and disease? Does it mean that you also attack your enemy with them in a melee fight? Because how else disease and nirnhoned could take effect if it's not a contact fight?

2. How did you manage to invest all of your attributes points in magicka and still have 20k health? Where exactly does it come from?

3. Is regen magicka passive bonus so really good to make favor towards choosing Altmer instead of Breton for magicka NB? Or Breton could be also effective with this build? Because except of that Altmer passive, others are quite useless while NB skills produce magical and not elemental damage.

AllPlayAndNoWork

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

who is legio? + you do like rolling a special build is something like a religion lol

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

who is legio? + you do like rolling a special build is something like a religion lol

I have no idea about what you are going on about in the second part of your reply.........

AllPlayAndNoWork

JDar wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

who is legio? + you do like rolling a special build is something like a religion lol

Build hipsterism. I hate cookie cutter builds too. *tips fedora*

Cookie cutter ... me ???

pjwb16_ESO

Maphusail wrote: »

Hi Erondil,

1. Why did you enchant your axes with nirnhoned? I understand why you use 2 weapons - it gives you more spell damage and 2 items set bonus from Torug's Pact, but what is the use of nirnhoned and disease? Does it mean that you also attack your enemy with them in a melee fight? Because how else disease and nirnhoned could take effect if it's not a contact fight?

2. How did you manage to invest all of your attributes points in magicka and still have 20k health? Where exactly does it come from?

3. Is regen magicka passive bonus so really good to make favor towards choosing Altmer instead of Breton for magicka NB? Or Breton could be also effective with this build? Because except of that Altmer passive, others are quite useless while NB skills produce magical and not elemental damage.

1, ninrhoned gives more Spell Penetration resulting in more damage from your skills + it gives some spell resistance (defense), disease enchant just procs when using weapon attacks or light / heavy attacks so u should do some light attacks to get the heal debuff from disease
2. you gain 5k health when u join cyrodiilfrom battle spirit buff + red cp grants u health + 6% more health from undaunted passive when he wears 3 different armor types
3. bretons cost reduction passive is so calculated atm that it is nearly useless and u will get more magicka from the dditional magicka regen

Erondil

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

I'm already back to the magicka side , I found stamina boring, especially in group.

JDar wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

ermagherd op you don't use funnel health??? *head explodes* It's so cheap

Nope I don't use it. Its too easily counterable and damages are far lower than concelead weapon. When I want to kite I rather use cripple+shadow image+resto heavy attack.

Also good

Hey someone told me that concealed weapon ignores spell resist. Is that true? My tooltip is about 4.7k and usually hits for about 3.5 on an average non-blocking v14. Seems about right but i dunno.

No, not mine at least. But mwith aprentice mundus, 5 lights and champion points, you can get a pretty high amount of spell penetration.

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

who is legio? + you do as if rolling a special build is something like a religion lol

Ofc magicka nb is a religion lol

Maphusail wrote: »

Hi Erondil,

1. Why did you enchant your axes with nirnhoned? I understand why you use 2 weapons - it gives you more spell damage and 2 items set bonus from Torug's Pact, but what is the use of nirnhoned and disease? Does it mean that you also attack your enemy with them in a melee fight? Because how else disease and nirnhoned could take effect if it's not a contact fight?

2. How did you manage to invest all of your attributes points in magicka and still have 20k health? Where exactly does it come from?

3. Is regen magicka passive bonus so really good to make favor towards choosing Altmer instead of Breton for magicka NB? Or Breton could be also effective with this build? Because except of that Altmer passive, others are quite useless while NB skills produce magical and not elemental damage.

Pretty much what Elendiel said,
1) Nirhorned gives more spell penetration on every spell attack + a fair amount of spell resist. Enchants are not that important bt as you can see, the offensive skills I use are for most of them melee skills, so I can anime cancel a light attack between, which will procc the enchantement. I like disease because it applies a heal debuff on the target.

2) Cyrodiil buffs, food, nightblade and unduante passives are enough to reach 20k without anything else. And all red cp gives a bit of health too.

3) Imo 10% magicka regeneration > 3% spell cost reduction because our clas skills are already quite cheap and the math behind the spell cost make 3% absurdly low when you already use light armor, champion points or spell cost reduc glyphs while the 10% regeneration from altmer can, at the contrary, be increased by champion points and stuff.

AllPlayAndNoWork

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

I'm already back to the magicka side , I found stamina boring, especially in group.

Welcome back to the fold.

JDar

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

pjwb16_ESO wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

So you are a stam NB now ??

Lol news go fast
Because I was curious and was slowly getting bored of playing always the same build, I tried a stamina build today, but I will certainly be back to the magicka side after few days

Na not news. I fought against you a few times with Banana Squad recently on Chillrend, I run with Legio and will remain true to the magicka NB. Stay true to the cause brother don't bow down to the perma dodgers !!

I have a heavy set up with my magicka NB that works pretty well.

who is legio? + you do like rolling a special build is something like a religion lol

Build hipsterism. I hate cookie cutter builds too. *tips fedora*

Cookie cutter ... me ???

No...wasn't talking about you. There are so many different ways to play magicka NB, I don't think it's possible to be a cookie cutter build.

Zsymon

By the way, Empower doesn't actually cause the next attack to do 20% more damage, it causes the next attack to have 20% more spell/weapon power, in reality usually Empower will add about 6% actual damage increase.

Zsymon

I think a lot of people are going to outright quit if ZOS ever adds a penalty to Cloak.

Magicka Nightblades have nothing outside of Cloak, they have no shield, no useful self healing, no high burst damage skills.. the only reason they are viable (and fun to play), is because of Cloak, and that only works if you are very skilled. If they take that away it will be RIP magicka NB forever. Let's just hope ZOS isn't silly enough to listen to the nerf Cloak posts that have started to appear out of spite due to the recent nerfs.

Quantine

@Zysmon,

well, also it's fun to play for the shadow image ;-) and it's nice synergy with the cloak+double take.