Bikini Costume Please!

PKMN12

AngryNord wrote: »

They "lost" the part of targeting their games solely at 14-year old boys.

have you ever SEEN the Oblivion and Skyrim nexus's? there are very few to no RP-based Mods in the top 30 top mods, they are all UI or gameplay changes, or (as most of them are) different body types that sexify all the women in skyrim and give them armor that would make Almexia cringe.

AngryNord

PKMN12 wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

They "lost" the part of targeting their games solely at 14-year old boys.

have you ever SEEN the Oblivion and Skyrim nexus's? there are very few to no RP-based Mods in the top 30 top mods, they are all UI or gameplay changes, or (as most of them are) different body types that sexify all the women in skyrim and give them armor that would make Almexia cringe.

Yes. That's why I mostly ever downloaded the Unofficial Patches for those games.

SantieClaws

I'd love to get the old Temples of Dibella back from Daggerfall. Religion in Tamriel just hasn't appealed to me as much since then

She is the goddess of beauty after all.

I would also like to see a little choice in the built in underwear. Leopardskin undies for your overweight orc, gold satin bloomers for your average male altmer etc. I can understand the animation and physics issues they might have with removing it altogether.

TheShadowScout

UrQuan wrote: »

I'd like to see it replaced with something like this:

That's from a Roman mosaic.

I would totally be happy with that! Though more choices would of course be better... from altmer silk to akaviri fundoshi, from imperial linen bindings to bosmer senche-skil lioncloths, from dunmer guar-leather undergarments to frilly breton needlework, from filthy gobling rags to daedric lingerie... I'd love to see any and all of such underwear options available. As long as it looks medieval-ish.
Heck, I wouldn't mind bare bosoms either, for much of history that was a perfectly common thing to wear under your clothes... and would certainly make -some- people happy

As long as the skimpyness only comes when you take your armour off. Then the problem takes care of itself, in a way...
Of course, for roleplaying reasons I would also appreciate it if state of undress in cities would draw the ire of the city guard...

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO

MercyKilling wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

They "lost" the part of targeting their games solely at 14-year old boys.

I'm sorry, but not just pubescent males can appreciate the female body and its beauty. Females do too, otherwise there would be no lesbians in the world.

All you're doing here is showing intolerance and ignorance.

Strange that you don't see more lesbians advocating for bikini armor... no wait... It's not.

Maybe it has to do with the fact that many people don't feel the need to factor their sexuality into every facet of their life.

Varicite

Sharakor wrote: »

That's disgusting and quite sad, kids also play this game I don't see why fat perverts like you should run around half naked to indulge some repressed feeling of yours in an online game.

This game is rated M for Mature.

UrQuan wrote: »

Um, if that's you trying to show that bikinis have a place in ESO, then I must inform you that you and I have very different ideas of what a bikini is. Those (and anything else that's similar in terms of how revealing it is, while still fitting in with the aesthetic of one of the cultures of Tamriel) all fit in just fine as far as I'm concerned.

And I suppose you missed both of the times that I said that it wouldn't be hard at all to add bikini-style clothing that does fit into the aesthetic of the game. I'm not sure what makes people think that can't be done when clearly there is already revealing clothing that does fit in.

Lenikus

Just don't wear a chest or leg piece...
People do it in Cyrodiil all the time. There's this fat naked orc from DC that always /sitchair while his groupies zerg around.
Some guy with a dunmer chick in EP too... aaand plent of khajiit everywhere.

we don't need to 'implement' anything.



*Cough* Bosmer female light/med armor * Cough* . .agh srry.

HaldaAinur

Nah, bikini armor is too much, I say keep showing skin as a choice, just keep it to some mild cleavage and leg- classy, but still feminine and pretty. There was a big thread, demanding more feminine armors, as a lot of armor is actually just looking welp, rather nun-like. If you want to be covered sure, if you want to show skin sure, but it's nice to have a choice between various armors that may be more aesthetically pleasing- and not just skin showing, say some more ornate designs, more flattering armor choices, etc.

Here are some good examples, and the thread I referenced earlier.

WolfingHour

t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »

I need some skimpy armors. I play many different MMORPG's and in all of them I gravitate towards female warriors in scantily clad armors. Please add something like this thx!

Yes, make this MMO like all the other MMOs, korean at that. I'm sure that will turn out great in the end. *sarcasm*

Rosveen

winterscrolls229prerb18_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

I don't expect anyone to feel the same way. After all, my female characters include a lady Bosmer with barely any boobs (sort of like me irl) and a feathered lizard, so I'm not exactly your typical player in the market for bikinis.

That's okay. There should be available a range of bikini's for every size, race, .... and unfortunately gender. The point of asking for a bikini is to enable choice, so impossible to not suggest it for all.

Haha. Yes, of course, I'm not saying they wouldn't look good in a bikini... But I didn't create them to be eye candy and I doubt I'd ever dress them in said bikini unless I was RPing a day at the beach or something. Even my Nord keeps his pants on when he runs around bare-chested (it's terribly warm in the Covenant compared to his home, can you blame him?)

I don't get the point of this talk about lesbians. Yes, both men and women appreciate the female body for different reasons (you don't even have to be a lesbian), but the fact is that the "other MMOs" the OP mentioned with nearly naked female characters and often cringeworthy animations are aimed at the male audience, young lonely male audience in particular. Is it the only audience ending up playing these games? Of course not. But as a woman, I have zero interest in playing some of the worst offenders after seeing screenshots of animu girls in stripper outfits. As a lesbian, I am so not attracted to that.

But I wouldn't say no to light armors/costumes that don't cover every inch of my body. I quite liked the Seadrake disguise, an unfortunate victim of Redguard armor changes; it's all gone now... I just don't want to see heavy armor turning into lingerie. I'm sure this is a common sentiment among longtime ESO players.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

t.steve1991ub17_ESO wrote: »

I need some skimpy armors. I play many different MMORPG's and in all of them I gravitate towards female warriors in scantily clad armors. Please add something like this thx!

Please go play a Japanese anime if you want that, they pander to those looking to see young females in little clothing.

WolfingHour

Rosveen wrote: »

But I wouldn't say no to light armors/costumes that don't cover every inch of my body. I quite liked the Seadrake disguise, an unfortunate victim of Redguard armor changes; it's all gone now... I just don't want to see heavy armor turning into lingerie. I'm sure this is a common sentiment among longtime ESO players.

On an unrelated sidenote - Oh how I wept for the loss of the seadrake disguise. Tickets and forum posts submitted alas, to no avail, and now we are stuck with that bib/tabard frankenstein abomination.

MercyKilling

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Nah, bikini armor is too much, I say keep showing skin as a choice,

Rosveen wrote: »

But I wouldn't say no to light armors/costumes that don't cover every inch of my body. I quite liked the Seadrake disguise, an unfortunate victim of Redguard armor changes; it's all gone now.

See, we don't even have the choice anymore. Got taken right away from everyone, because of a vocal few who are more repressed and close-minded than anything else.

And to reiterate YET AGAIN......

the thread subject isn't about replacing anything. IT'S ABOUT ADDING A COSTUME. Not even armor. A COSTUME. Or several, for that matter. I might even whip out the wallet for those, but they'd better look a darn sight better than what's currently in the game and/or store.

eliisra

MercyKilling wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

They "lost" the part of targeting their games solely at 14-year old boys.

I'm sorry, but not just pubescent males can appreciate the female body and its beauty. Females do too, otherwise there would be no lesbians in the world.

All you're doing here is showing intolerance and ignorance.

Being attracted to women and feeling the need to objectify women are two different things. But I doubt you'll know the difference.

Only viewing females as a sexy body, well it's not against the law or anything lol. But I rather play online games where women characters and NPC's are displayed and created as actual individuals with a purpose, more than just some eye-candy for you to "appreciate".

And no, lesbians don't want to play online games where female participation is reduced to being mindless hot bodies, for the heroic guys to look at.

I'm in no way against getting more lore-appropriate, nicely fitted, pretty, beautiful, cool or whatever outfits for my female characters. I can also agree that feminine stuff is a bit lacking. But many guys here seem to want the whole plain sex p0rn armor and bikini thing going. That makes throw up a little bit in my mouth.

WolfingHour

MercyKilling wrote: »

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Nah, bikini armor is too much, I say keep showing skin as a choice,

Rosveen wrote: »

But I wouldn't say no to light armors/costumes that don't cover every inch of my body. I quite liked the Seadrake disguise, an unfortunate victim of Redguard armor changes; it's all gone now.

See, we don't even have the choice anymore. Got taken right away from everyone, because of a vocal few who are more repressed and close-minded than anything else.

And to reiterate YET AGAIN......

the thread subject isn't about replacing anything. IT'S ABOUT ADDING A COSTUME. Not even armor. A COSTUME. Or several, for that matter. I might even whip out the wallet for those, but they'd better look a darn sight better than what's currently in the game and/or store.

Even adding, instead of replacing, is tricky.

Run a google search for 'Elin Costume'*, 'Castanic Costume' and 'High Elf Costume'. For high elf and castanic, compare and contrast the female and male available options.

Tell me if what you see is problematic, from a social point of view, or not. Is this the power of choice that you want? Is that what you want ESO to represent as well?

* Elin speaks for itself, since there is are no male. That seemed to be the line the devs didn't want to cross or perhaps the market opportunity wasn't there, who knows.

Rosveen

MercyKilling wrote: »

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Nah, bikini armor is too much, I say keep showing skin as a choice,

Rosveen wrote: »

But I wouldn't say no to light armors/costumes that don't cover every inch of my body. I quite liked the Seadrake disguise, an unfortunate victim of Redguard armor changes; it's all gone now.

the thread subject isn't about replacing anything. IT'S ABOUT ADDING A COSTUME. Not even armor. A COSTUME. Or several, for that matter. I might even whip out the wallet for those, but they'd better look a darn sight better than what's currently in the game and/or store.

No, it isn't. The OP specifically mentioned "skimpy armors" and "warriors in scantily clad armors" (nevermind the grammar issues). He might have changed his focus later, but he can't take back the impression people get when opening this thread for the first time.

AlienSlof

I'm OK with skimpy or non-skimpy costumes - as long as they are EQUALLY SO FOR BOTH GENDERS.

There are straight women playing these games, and we like our opposite sex candy too.

I stopped playing Tera because of the huge female-only bias the devs started adding. And those elin things - ugh. Lolicon central, yuck. We're not all straight guys playing games!

MercyKilling

WolfingHour wrote: »

Run a google search for 'Elin Costume'*, 'Castanic Costume' and 'High Elf Costume'. For high elf and castanic, compare and contrast the female and male available options.

Tell me if what you see is problematic, from a social point of view, or not. Is this the power of choice that you want? Is that what you want ESO to represent as well?

* Elin speaks for itself, since there is are no male. That seemed to be the line the devs didn't want to cross or perhaps the market opportunity wasn't there, who knows.

Having played that game briefly, I don't need to google anything.

No, I don't see anything wrong with the armors there, given the genre. Social or otherwise.

Yes, I'd like at least the choice. The power to say yes or no, rather than have someone else's sensibilities thrust upon me.
Let me make that last thing perfectly clear:

I want the power to choose for myself, not let someone else choose for me. THAT is what I want ESO to represent.

Edited for spelling and to add this:


I could care less about TERA and Elin, to be perfectly honest. Didn't like the combat or game mechanics. Visually beautiful, though...both environment AND characters AND armors. Here, only the environment is visually stunning, with the models being mediocre and the armors (for the most part) looking spray painted on.

I_killed_Vivec

MercyKilling wrote: »

The power to say yes or no, rather than have someone else's sensibilities thrust upon me.
Let me make that last thing perfectly clear:

I want the power to choose for myself, not let someone else choose for me. THAT is what I want ESO to represent.

In real life I look pretty hot in jeans and t-shirt... I WANT THAT CHOICE FOR MY CHARACTER!

And a Glock spitting out Crushing Shock.

And a pink Horker mount!

And don't say it's lore-breaking. Don't thrust your sensibilities upon me!

Or maybe...

We all have to fit in with how the game is - our choice is whether to play or not.

(But a Horker mount would be interesting)

Steinschlag

Skin yes. Bikini? Come on. Serious?

No!!

Gidorick

I'm troubled by the amount of judgement in this thread. As if wanting to dress an avatar in less than chin to toe platemail is an affront to humanity.

I think many have touched on some meaningful arguments. Here are a few bullet points added with my own.

• Heavy armor shouldn't be skimpy
• Elder Scrolls has a history of skimpy armor
• The more skin shown the weaker the armor should be

This isn't TERA, but it IS a fantasy realm. give players the choice of how they dress, but keep it within the esthetics of the game. This can be done without being lewd. I personally think the answer lies with the addition of more 'clothes' to ESO and the customization of the underwear. That way, if a player wants to wear heavy boots, gauntlets, and an ornate thong, they should be enabled to do that. Not allowed, ENABLED.

Oh, and this character I'm speaking of is a male Orc. How's that for an image change

Joking aside. Armor with hanging under-cleavage wouldn't fit ESO, but Bikini "armor" shouldn't be a thing either. If you want to ruin around scantily clad, your armor rating should suffer.

BBSooner

Undaunted concept art, heavy armor far right, hopefully it ends up just like this for male, and has a female version that's just as awesome - skin and all (with a cloth or wrap covering over the left breast).

WolfingHour

MercyKilling wrote: »

WolfingHour wrote: »

Run a google search for 'Elin Costume'*, 'Castanic Costume' and 'High Elf Costume'. For high elf and castanic, compare and contrast the female and male available options.

Tell me if what you see is problematic, from a social point of view, or not. Is this the power of choice that you want? Is that what you want ESO to represent as well?

* Elin speaks for itself, since there is are no male. That seemed to be the line the devs didn't want to cross or perhaps the market opportunity wasn't there, who knows.

Having played that game briefly, I don't need to google anything.

No, I don't see anything wrong with the armors there, given the genre. Social or otherwise.

Yes, I'd like at least the choice. The power to say yes or no, rather than have someone else's sensibilities thrust upon me.
Let me make that last thing perfectly clear:

I want the power to choose for myself, not let someone else choose for me. THAT is what I want ESO to represent.

Edited for spelling and to add this:


I could care less about TERA and Elin, to be perfectly honest. Didn't like the combat or game mechanics. Visually beautiful, though...both environment AND characters AND armors. Here, only the environment is visually stunning, with the models being mediocre and the armors (for the most part) looking spray painted on.

You weren't talking about armor, but disguises (or costumes in Tera). I think you need to google those search terms.

Our freedom to make choices do not exist in a vacuum. Consider this - you can use the maid outfit for the sexy looks and be respectful towards women, but what customer behaviour (and ultimately, message) are you reinforcing here? That in a fantasy setting manly man go to war in full body armour and women go to war half naked for the looks? What does that say about the way we see both genders in society, even if it is from the venn diagram intersect of gamers + mmo players? Is that the model of society we should be striving for?

For me, it's a no. Even it comes at the expense of personal freedom or freedom to choice. That is what I want ESO to represent - rather than a self-absorbed capitalist experience, an interactive social experience with some degree of an ethical conciousness.

SlayerTheDragon

Some more feminine styles (armour, paint, hair) would be great.
Whenever I read something like this I keep seeing that pig-tails hair style for females in my mind.... and puke a little.

The hair really can do with a bit of work, and more than one face paint option would be nice.

Rune_Relic

Ponders the question...

If the only person that sees my CLIENT screen is me.....what does it matter to anyone else what it displays ?
[They are looking at their own client and not mine]
This is actually very similar to the griefing argument and visual ignore we had a few days ago.

Should we be the master of how people appear on own own clients or should the user that controls that character dictate how they should look to us ?
Perhaps I want that hairy nord in a dress to look like a bunny rabbit on my screen instead.
Thoughts ?

At the end of the day everyone has their own unique view on what is tolerable/acceptable.
As long as they have PERSONAL control over how THEY see things....does it matter ?

Varicite

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

The power to say yes or no, rather than have someone else's sensibilities thrust upon me.
Let me make that last thing perfectly clear:

I want the power to choose for myself, not let someone else choose for me. THAT is what I want ESO to represent.

In real life I look pretty hot in jeans and t-shirt... I WANT THAT CHOICE FOR MY CHARACTER!

And a Glock spitting out Crushing Shock.

And a pink Horker mount!

And don't say it's lore-breaking. Don't thrust your sensibilities upon me!

Or maybe...

We all have to fit in with how the game is - our choice is whether to play or not.

(But a Horker mount would be interesting)

I know, it's totally lorebreaking every single time I'm walking through Daggerfall and see lv3s w/out their armor equipped.

I stop and shout at them.

"HEY LOSERS, YOU'RE BREAKING LORE, YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS GAME AND YOU DO NOT FIT INTO THE ESO ART STYLE"

A more revealing outfit is absolutely nothing like a pink horker or a glock in ESO.

Why do people keep spouting such ridiculous hyperbole? Do they think anyone takes that kinda stuff seriously?

Donum-Dei

@Rune_Relic Yes it matter, or what? You think all this arguments by people that do not desire see this game become a "theme park" (or whatever its called) is not what we want and it doesn't give any purpose of what this game is about, and it could keep being.

We want for once a true Mmo that give us good and interesting armors sets that look extremely incredible (that so far they have don an incredible job) and armor sets that look pretty bad ass, not pretty sexy.

BBSooner

DanniBoi wrote: »

and armor sets that look pretty bad ass, not pretty sexy.

Why not both? The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive. Take the Undaunted concept art for example:



A female version of the far right has the potential to fit both categories.

ZOS_GaryA

Hey there folks,

We really do appreciate the feedback on armor aesthetics and we'd like for the constructive portion of this discussion to continue. That said, we've had to remove many posts from the thread for flaming other users, or simply being too inappropriate or off-topic. If the discussion continues to steer away from armor aesthetics in the future, we will have to lock the thread. Thank you for your understanding.

WolfingHour

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Ponders the question...

If the only person that sees my CLIENT screen is me.....what does it matter to anyone else what it displays ?
This is actually very similar to the griefing argument and visual ignore we had a few days ago.

Should we be the master of how people appear on own own clients or should the user that controls that character dictate how they should look to us ?
Perhaps I want that hairy nord in a dress to look like a bunny rabbit on my screen instead.
Thoughts ?

At the end of the day everyone has their own unique view on what is tolerable/acceptable.
As long as they have PERSONAL control over how THEY see things....does it matter ?

You're right, however, you choice also exists outside of your screen, specifically as an anonymous datapoint in the server, which will say "it's ok to do X, this is what our costumers want". The business behind the server will then make its decisions - development, marketing, new ventures, etc - based on that information. This business will then use its market presence to influence and shape the market, and consequently the culture we are all a part of.

What I'm trying to do is influence the decision making prior to having the choice available. Even this conversation can be a data set on which ZOS makes its business decision. (Hopefully! lol)