What about making dyes purchaseable with crowns?

Atirez

Yes, let's add dyes from in game achievements. Let's also add purchasable quest completions, and while we are at it why don't we add the following:

Purchase fully skill pointed CP upped VR14 char.
Purchase normal dungeon/vr dungeon/pledge and trial loot.
Purchase emporership.
Purchase different PvP ranks.
Blacksmith level 50 and all other crafting related stuff.

That way I can jump in to the game, buy everything and complete it and then log off. Because there is absolutely nothing worthwhile to achieve or to work towards. I will not have enjoyed my experience, I would have missed out on the story lines, the quests, the adventuring, well the "playing" of the game. But that's OK because I don't have time to play it anyway.

Why do people play games if they don't want to play it... if you don't have time, don't buy it and do something else. Stop trying to ruin the experience for everyone else.

SHADOW2KK

Atirez wrote: »

Yes, let's add dyes from in game achievements. Let's also add purchasable quest completions, and while we are at it why don't we add the following:

Purchase fully skill pointed CP upped VR14 char.
Purchase normal dungeon/vr dungeon/pledge and trial loot.
Purchase emporership.
Purchase different PvP ranks.
Blacksmith level 50 and all other crafting related stuff.

That way I can jump in to the game, buy everything and complete it and then log off. Because there is absolutely nothing worthwhile to achieve or to work towards. I will not have enjoyed my experience, I would have missed out on the story lines, the quests, the adventuring, well the "playing" of the game. But that's OK because I don't have time to play it anyway.

Why do people play games if they don't want to play it... if you don't have time, don't buy it and do something else. Stop trying to ruin the experience for everyone else.

Absolutely bang on mate, and sorta similar to the stuff I have stated in this thread, you guys should check this thread out and lend support, cos it is absolutely true.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1737261#Comment_1737261

Genomic

Keron wrote: »

I'm in a depressing mood right now, so I'll just go ahead and post this:

The really sad thing is going to be that all of us (emphasis that this includes me), who do not want all this stuff on the crown store and rant and rave now, will continue to play even after they (ZOS) will have put dyes in store next month or the golden tempers in three months time.

Hell, most of us probably will continue even if they put skill points on it, because, you know, we at the bottom of our hearts loathe to give up what we have achieved before "me buy legendary long time, you party?". We will just be miserable.

Sunk cost fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs#Loss_aversion_and_the_sunk_cost_fallacy

We're all guilty of it to some degree.

gregaw_ESO

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Naw sorry, some achievements grant dyes and in my humble opinion that is how it should be, Crown Store is getting out of control as it is with motifs now being sold, lost count of how many soul destroyingly boring hours I put in farming motifs pre1.6 and to have them on Crown Store irritates me..

And this is something else I don't get about MMO communities. It's a game, you're supposed to be having fun. The term "soul destroyingly boring" should be reserved for your crappy job, not your favorite video game.

MornaBaine

MCMancub wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Trivialize another thing that used to require some effort. Yeah. Ok.

It is becoming very clear to me now. All of the people that complain about the subscription model aren't really opposed to paying $15 a month. They are opposed to effort. I'm beginning to believe it has nothing to do with money and everything to do with getting everything in the game w/o earning it.

Every thread like this just pushes me an inch closer to the uninstall button.

Or you know, maybe because you don't want to spend 16 hours in Cyrodiil every day for an entire year in order to get a single dye?

I love the subscription model, and I love a good challenge, but grind does not equal challenge or hard content, a grind is a grind, a tedious concept which is made for MMO's to force players through content before they can get to the bits they actually prefer.

This is not asking for achievements, achievement points, gear, benefits, experience bonuses OR anything, it is asking for the possibility of buying a -colour- for an overpriced price, so you wouldn't have to drag yourself through a tedious grind in order to get ONE thing you really need in order to make your perfect roleplaying outfit.

Or you could you know...just accept the fact that certain rewards are for other people? There are PvP sets and trial sets that I know I likely won't get because I don't participate enough to get them but that doesn't mean the people who do them shouldn't have a reward for that activity. If you make every reward accessible for purchase it devalues the effort required to get it. I guess some people will just never understand this.

Or you could give actual rewards for achievements instead of what should have never been there in the first place. Dyes should have never been a reward. Titles, alliance ranks, ornate nameplates, these things should be rewards.

Also, your argument is poor. Sets affect gameplay, dyes do not.

All of this. ^^ Dyes are strictly cosmetic. There was never any logical reason to restrict them. This was sheer laziness on ZOS' part so instead of giving ACTUAL rewards for the achievements they figured they could just tie the dyes to them. Achievements should give fun little useable rewards like you get for completing the public dungeons, items that have a fun effect. Titles would have been fantastic as well and would have cost them no more than some typing. The dyes should have always been freely available and the "system" they came up with is just ZOS beign stingy all over again and was sure to make a lot of players unhappy.

MornaBaine

Cody wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I wasn't happy to see them offer Motifs in the crown shop at all. This is going to really hurt the crafting community. But DYES? Somethign that is purely cosmetic and should NEVER have been tied to achievements in the first place? Something anyone who doesn't PvP constantly will NEVER be able to get? No, that's just not right. NONE of the dyes should have been locked. But since they are, there's absolutely NO reason not to also sell them in the store.

dyes are not earned just from PvP........

my fav, coldharbour ash black, is earned from PvE:/

Yeah well the Legate's Black and the Emperor Red, the 2 I and most other people want the most, will be forever outside my reach. And that's just not cool for what is a purely cosmetic item. Emperor should get a badass armor set that no one else can have. THAT makes sense. DYES, do not.

MornaBaine

gregaw_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Naw sorry, some achievements grant dyes and in my humble opinion that is how it should be, Crown Store is getting out of control as it is with motifs now being sold, lost count of how many soul destroyingly boring hours I put in farming motifs pre1.6 and to have them on Crown Store irritates me..

And this is something else I don't get about MMO communities. It's a game, you're supposed to be having fun. The term "soul destroyingly boring" should be reserved for your crappy job, not your favorite video game.

Totally agreed. I had to laugh at the guy who was all like, "you think we ENJOY grinding to get those dyes? No!" and then argued that this is exactly how it should stay. Dyes are not content. Grinding is not content. New areas, new quests, new PvP configurations (dueling, arena, pvp flag for justice system, etc) THAT is content. Dyes are a cosmetic. As such they should be in the store. And REAL content should be added to the game.

Atirez

Yes they are cosmetic and yes there may have been no real reason to restrict them and yes perhaps better rewards could have been provided instead. However, non of that detracts from the fact that they are a reward for completing some portion of the game and as a result adding them to the crown store would be a bad decision.

Let's not base future decisions on how the past should have been and base them on how it currently is.

AlnilamE

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Trivialize another thing that used to require some effort. Yeah. Ok.

It is becoming very clear to me now. All of the people that complain about the subscription model aren't really opposed to paying $15 a month. They are opposed to effort. I'm beginning to believe it has nothing to do with money and everything to do with getting everything in the game w/o earning it.

Every thread like this just pushes me an inch closer to the uninstall button.

Amazingly well said.

However, like @MCMancub said, I also question why they are tied to achievements in the first place. I also think ZOS should somehow specify which dye colors are duplicates. We all know that many of the hues are the exact same, so it would be nice to know which ones we should focus on getting without tricking ourselves into thinking each color is indeed different.

You can sort by color rather than by rarity.

ShadowHvo wrote: »

EJRose83 wrote: »

Why would you suggest this? =/

Because grinding in PvP for 16 hours every day for an entire year is not fun and challenging content, it is a tedious grind, nothing more and nothing less. There is no challenge to be had beyond being able to call sick from both school and work in order to get a single dye which you'll have obtained in about a year from now if you do nothing but PvP, sleep and eat.

That is why I suggest this, so those of us who just want the dye, not the PvP glory, honor, achievement or achievement points, just the dye so we can colour our roleplaying outfit to perfection. We're not asking for a title, or emperorship, but a dye.

Of course, the colour you want because it best matches your tank's shield could be the one you can only obtain by completing Sanctum Ophidia...

Anyway. No to this idea. I like the idea of working towards dyes in game. There are enough similar colours that you can get by with working towards different achievements for similar colour results.

AlnilamE

MCMancub wrote: »

Moonscythe wrote: »

Lifsteinn wrote: »

Why not? This is just colors, cosmetic, not a big deal.
If they continue allow you to obtain this with normal gameplay, it is fine!

I would probably not buy, but I'm not against selling anything pure cosmetic.

But, that's the point. The dyes are not just cosmetic, they are a visible sign that you have achieved something and that achievement would be cheapened by someone being able to buy the colour. There are colours I would like to have access to and probably never will because of the way I play but I can get a good selection fairly fast and be able to dye my armor as I want.

So replace the dyes with an actual reward! No one is suggesting you shouldn't be rewarded for your effort. I think most would just agree that dyes shouldn't be that reward.

But the dyes are a fun reward to work for! I don't care about titles. I've never worn a title on any of my characters (though I will proudly wear "Master Angler" when I get it). I'd much rather have the dyes as a reward than anything else that would be "suitable" for achievements.

AlnilamE

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I wasn't happy to see them offer Motifs in the crown shop at all. This is going to really hurt the crafting community. But DYES? Somethign that is purely cosmetic and should NEVER have been tied to achievements in the first place? Something anyone who doesn't PvP constantly will NEVER be able to get? No, that's just not right. NONE of the dyes should have been locked. But since they are, there's absolutely NO reason not to also sell them in the store.

dyes are not earned just from PvP........

my fav, coldharbour ash black, is earned from PvE:/

Yeah well the Legate's Black and the Emperor Red, the 2 I and most other people want the most, will be forever outside my reach. And that's just not cool for what is a purely cosmetic item. Emperor should get a badass armor set that no one else can have. THAT makes sense. DYES, do not.

Isn't the Daedric Lord Slayer red pretty much the same as the Emperor Red?

MornaBaine

AlnilamE wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I wasn't happy to see them offer Motifs in the crown shop at all. This is going to really hurt the crafting community. But DYES? Somethign that is purely cosmetic and should NEVER have been tied to achievements in the first place? Something anyone who doesn't PvP constantly will NEVER be able to get? No, that's just not right. NONE of the dyes should have been locked. But since they are, there's absolutely NO reason not to also sell them in the store.

dyes are not earned just from PvP........

my fav, coldharbour ash black, is earned from PvE:/

Yeah well the Legate's Black and the Emperor Red, the 2 I and most other people want the most, will be forever outside my reach. And that's just not cool for what is a purely cosmetic item. Emperor should get a badass armor set that no one else can have. THAT makes sense. DYES, do not.

Isn't the Daedric Lord Slayer red pretty much the same as the Emperor Red?

Nope. It's darker and not as vivid.

SHADOW2KK

gregaw_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Naw sorry, some achievements grant dyes and in my humble opinion that is how it should be, Crown Store is getting out of control as it is with motifs now being sold, lost count of how many soul destroyingly boring hours I put in farming motifs pre1.6 and to have them on Crown Store irritates me..

And this is something else I don't get about MMO communities. It's a game, you're supposed to be having fun. The term "soul destroyingly boring" should be reserved for your crappy job, not your favorite video game.

I stick up for the game wherever I can , giving my honest opinion.

And I did spend hours listening to music grinding for motifs, and so what? my eyes were glazing over.

And ESO is not my favourite game, I am actually a gamer, and play other games, from different genres, yet despite that, I come and play ESO regularly and have done since Beta days.

I advocate having fun in the game and all have their opinions, even elitists, who I personally despise, but that does not mean every activity is enjoyable to everyone, and you would know that if you actually read even some of my comments.

If you wanna spend hours mindlessly grinding things, then go for it, hope you enjoy it, I however do it from necessity or when I feel like it, and as said before, I will use any term I deem valid for a activity that I am talking about from my viewpoint.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

ThatNeonZebraAgain

AlnilamE wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Trivialize another thing that used to require some effort. Yeah. Ok.

It is becoming very clear to me now. All of the people that complain about the subscription model aren't really opposed to paying $15 a month. They are opposed to effort. I'm beginning to believe it has nothing to do with money and everything to do with getting everything in the game w/o earning it.

Every thread like this just pushes me an inch closer to the uninstall button.

Amazingly well said.

However, like @MCMancub said, I also question why they are tied to achievements in the first place. I also think ZOS should somehow specify which dye colors are duplicates. We all know that many of the hues are the exact same, so it would be nice to know which ones we should focus on getting without tricking ourselves into thinking each color is indeed different.

You can sort by color rather than by rarity.

That's the only way I sort it because it's best to compare colors. There are several for each hue that are the exact same.

Tapio75

How about NO!

no

Njet!

Ei!

Inte

Got it?

SHADOW2KK

MornaBaine wrote: »

gregaw_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Naw sorry, some achievements grant dyes and in my humble opinion that is how it should be, Crown Store is getting out of control as it is with motifs now being sold, lost count of how many soul destroyingly boring hours I put in farming motifs pre1.6 and to have them on Crown Store irritates me..

And this is something else I don't get about MMO communities. It's a game, you're supposed to be having fun. The term "soul destroyingly boring" should be reserved for your crappy job, not your favorite video game.

Totally agreed. I had to laugh at the guy who was all like, "you think we ENJOY grinding to get those dyes? No!" and then argued that this is exactly how it should stay. Dyes are not content. Grinding is not content. New areas, new quests, new PvP configurations (dueling, arena, pvp flag for justice system, etc) THAT is content. Dyes are a cosmetic. As such they should be in the store. And REAL content should be added to the game.

So you laughed at my opinion? thanks, just says it all about some people in this game.

Newsflash, we all have opinions, we all think stuff, and no one is gonna agree on absolutely everything.

But you laugh away until someone laughs at your opinion then see how you feel then.

vanillexhope

I'm going to have to say no. Some things should be earned in my very humble opinion. However, I respect the opinions of those who disagree.

Cody

MornaBaine wrote: »

gregaw_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Naw sorry, some achievements grant dyes and in my humble opinion that is how it should be, Crown Store is getting out of control as it is with motifs now being sold, lost count of how many soul destroyingly boring hours I put in farming motifs pre1.6 and to have them on Crown Store irritates me..

And this is something else I don't get about MMO communities. It's a game, you're supposed to be having fun. The term "soul destroyingly boring" should be reserved for your crappy job, not your favorite video game.

Totally agreed. I had to laugh at the guy who was all like, "you think we ENJOY grinding to get those dyes? No!" and then argued that this is exactly how it should stay. Dyes are not content. Grinding is not content. New areas, new quests, new PvP configurations (dueling, arena, pvp flag for justice system, etc) THAT is content. Dyes are a cosmetic. As such they should be in the store. And REAL content should be added to the game.

/sigh. read...my....post..... please:/ dont' skim it, read it over.

the point i was making was the ACCOMPLISHMENT OF DOING IT. why the heck should i spend time doing something if it gives nothing in return? Why even put all the requirements for the dyes in if one could just buy them? where is the CHALLENGE? where is the playing of all the content ZOS spent SINCE OBLIVION DEVELOPING?

if dyes were replaced with gear rewards... perhaps... but as of now they are not. I am using the NOW, not the unlikely future. hence is why you and I cannot see eye to eye:/

if this game had no challenge and no work required to do anything, IT WOULD BE BORING. MUCH more boring than grinding stuff for a few days. I have played games that required no challenge, that required no grinding and work to put into things, and THEY. WERE. BORING.

that is the point I am trying to make.

however, people think differently I suppose, so I have to respect others opinions... no matter how much i disagree with them.

alright, im done. goodnight.

gregaw_ESO

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

I stick up for the game wherever I can , giving my honest opinion.

And I did spend hours listening to music grinding for motifs, and so what? my eyes were glazing over.

And ESO is not my favourite game, I am actually a gamer, and play other games, from different genres, yet despite that, I come and play ESO regularly and have done since Beta days.

I advocate having fun in the game and all have their opinions, even elitists, who I personally despise, but that does not mean every activity is enjoyable to everyone, and you would know that if you actually read even some of my comments.

If you wanna spend hours mindlessly grinding things, then go for it, hope you enjoy it, I however do it from necessity or when I feel like it, and as said before, I will use any term I deem valid for a activity that I am talking about from my viewpoint.

This was not meant as a personal attack, but I see it was perceived as such. Allow me to explain.

1. I don't have time nor do I care to read any of your previous posts.
2. I only assume ESO would be most people's (who have grinded so much in ESO) favorite game as it is most likely the game they spend the most time on. Barring other online games, though usually people only really have time for one, and if they're heavily grinding this one, I'd bet this one gets most of their time.
3. My point was that people are not having fun and then defending that, something like, "It sucked for me I want it to suck for you too." It should be fun. What happened to that concept? Mindless grind isn't an achievement nor is it fun.

No one is forcing you to buy, and it's still worth doing it for you if you don't have to pay.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

PKMN12

well, if they treated this like a B2P game, i would say there is a chance that the dies are not going to be added, but as ZOS is clearly treating this like a F2P game, i bet you will see dyes very soon.

gregaw_ESO

Cody wrote: »

the point i was making was the ACCOMPLISHMENT OF DOING IT. why the heck should i spend time doing something if it gives nothing in return? Why even put all the requirements for the dyes in if one could just buy them? where is the CHALLENGE?.

The point? It won't cost you a dime.

The CHALLENGE? Mindless grinding isn't a challenge.

Jules

No. Colors are tied to achievements people. You have to ACHIEVE something in order to unlock them. That is the point. The colors are a visual representation for the achievement when there is no title. They mean something to the people who work hard for them.

Do I want ruby thone red and legate black? Uh, yeah. Duh. Do I deserve them? No, not even a little bit.

Clearing Sanctum Ophidia, initially a difficult and challenging endeavor gave us Ophidian Jade for the first time. This color sits behind this difficult achievement. So that first time that you change your gear to reflect that achievement it means something. IT HAS VALUE AND IT SHOULD. Someone wanting to purchase it with money trivializes the struggle and progression it took to clear sanctum for the first time. And I'm sure people with other rare dyes feel the same way. Please don't ever let this happen in the crown store.

Jules

Atirez wrote: »

You could a different set of colours:

I'm filthy rich purple, $1000
I'm comfortably well off blue $500
I find myself with some disposable income orange $100
This is all I could afford green $50
Wish I had more money brown $1

But, the dyes from in game achievements should not be in the crown store. Play the game and earn them. Having items like this will just result in people installing the game, buying all of the achievements and quitting. Lets build a strong community not a flash in the pan player base.

Literally LOL'd.

MornaBaine

Cody wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

gregaw_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Naw sorry, some achievements grant dyes and in my humble opinion that is how it should be, Crown Store is getting out of control as it is with motifs now being sold, lost count of how many soul destroyingly boring hours I put in farming motifs pre1.6 and to have them on Crown Store irritates me..

And this is something else I don't get about MMO communities. It's a game, you're supposed to be having fun. The term "soul destroyingly boring" should be reserved for your crappy job, not your favorite video game.

Totally agreed. I had to laugh at the guy who was all like, "you think we ENJOY grinding to get those dyes? No!" and then argued that this is exactly how it should stay. Dyes are not content. Grinding is not content. New areas, new quests, new PvP configurations (dueling, arena, pvp flag for justice system, etc) THAT is content. Dyes are a cosmetic. As such they should be in the store. And REAL content should be added to the game.

/sigh. read...my....post..... please:/ dont' skim it, read it over.

the point i was making was the ACCOMPLISHMENT OF DOING IT. why the heck should i spend time doing something if it gives nothing in return? Why even put all the requirements for the dyes in if one could just buy them? where is the CHALLENGE? where is the playing of all the content ZOS spent SINCE OBLIVION DEVELOPING?

if dyes were replaced with gear rewards... perhaps... but as of now they are not. I am using the NOW, not the unlikely future. hence is why you and I cannot see eye to eye:/

if this game had no challenge and no work required to do anything, IT WOULD BE BORING. MUCH more boring than grinding stuff for a few days. I have played games that required no challenge, that required no grinding and work to put into things, and THEY. WERE. BORING.

that is the point I am trying to make.

however, people think differently I suppose, so I have to respect others opinions... no matter how much i disagree with them.

alright, im done. goodnight.

See we do indeed have a fundamental disagreement here. I don't really see getting a deep sense of accomplishment from playing a game. I play games because the PLAYING of the game itself is FUN. This isn't like when I studied martial arts and competed in tournaments. This is goofing off in front of my computer, a lazy but enjoyable pastime. Sense of accomplishment? Very little. The reward comes in the form of being entertained, seeing new things, experiencing new quests, exploring the incredibly beautiful world that ZOS has created for us. I don't play games for bragging rights. I play games for the same reasons I watch movies and read books, to be entertained. Part of the entertainment for me is being able to craft a character that looks the way I want it to. The more flexibility I have with that, the happier I am.

ZOS has said repeatedly that the crown store will focus on cosmetics and convenience. They've doubled down on that by putting the Motifs in the Store. And yet Motifs are still something you can acquire in the game itself so you don't HAVE to buy them. Many people have said they feel it's acceptable to put things in the store so long as there remains the option to get them in the game itself without spending additional cash. This would remain the case if dyes became a purchasable item. YOU would still know if you got them by "doing it the hard way" and would still have your sense of accomplishment. That you'd feel you NEED to have everyone else see your special colors and know you had to "work hard" to get them just makes no sense to me. I guess i just don't need bragging rights.

justin.sniesakub17_ESO

Not just no, but hell the f*** no. Dye's are a badass way to show off achievements, something you earned in game. If you can't be bothered or are not good enough, too bad.

justin.sniesakub17_ESO

Govalon wrote: »

NO. The cash shop already sapps LOT of fun out of this game. This is another cash shop item that would remove one reason to play a game. I like working towards obtaining as many colours as possible. Bypassing all this content with money makes me disgusted. Even thinking about it makes me really mad. The cash shop has ruined enough, lets not make it any worse.

I agree, ZOS is already straddling a line with me with some of their crown store items. Dyes are one of them were I'm gone for good if they show up.

justin.sniesakub17_ESO

Atirez wrote: »

Yes, let's add dyes from in game achievements. Let's also add purchasable quest completions, and while we are at it why don't we add the following:

Purchase fully skill pointed CP upped VR14 char.
Purchase normal dungeon/vr dungeon/pledge and trial loot.
Purchase emporership.
Purchase different PvP ranks.
Blacksmith level 50 and all other crafting related stuff.

That way I can jump in to the game, buy everything and complete it and then log off. Because there is absolutely nothing worthwhile to achieve or to work towards. I will not have enjoyed my experience, I would have missed out on the story lines, the quests, the adventuring, well the "playing" of the game. But that's OK because I don't have time to play it anyway.

Why do people play games if they don't want to play it... if you don't have time, don't buy it and do something else. Stop trying to ruin the experience for everyone else.

You sir just won the internet /salute

pppontus

No, no, no, no, no!

Dyes are the only thing that is rewarded on account wide basis for achieving something, it's admittedly a small thing but I know me and many others actually take pride in the achievements we earned. I see a lot of people here being judgemental about someone grinding for X amount of hours, or whatever, but the truth is most of us have fun while trying to get the achievements, I know I do.

Getting the ruby throne red for me was very hard, frustrating and took a lot of effort but I still enjoyed it. To have that colour permanently unlocked as a reward for it is a massive bonus. Now all my characters can have that amazing colour instead of the General Executioner red, thanks to the amount of effort I put in.

If someone comes in and buys that colour with crowns, that will singlehandedly drop the value of the achievement by about 99%. Because that is really the only long term reward, and it's also fun because it makes you stand out and you get questions about it from random players etc. If they were to sell them they will need to make us see who earned them legitimately and who swiped their credit card. Maybe replace the armor model with a few $$$$$$$.

As someone who plays way too many alts, I know I will probably never get the high rank alliance war colours like Legate's Black and so on.. but I'm ok with that. At the end of the day, it's just a slightly different colour and while it would be nice to have.. you just have to live without it.

Saying that getting the achievement is the reward is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, an achievement in this game is not a reward. It does nothing, you can not see other players achievements, you can not do anything with achievement points.. as far as I'm concerned achievements that don't give a title or a colour do not actually exist. The whole system is pointless.

MornaBaine

Part of the problem here is that the achievements don't really mean anything because there IS NO reward to go along with most of them. I find it hard to believe that dyes were the best and most creative thing they could think of. Also, this "system" is designed to reward one playstyle, PvP, over another, PvE, since the majority of the most popular and vibrant colors are locked to PvP achievements. At the very LEAST there should be PvE equivalents of all the PvP colors and vice versa. No one should be "forced" to play content they don't like just to unlock a color or "forced" to do without. Setting it up this way just adds fuel to the fire of the animosity that already exists between PvP and PvE players in general, which should be the LAST thing ZoS wants.

Oh and the first person who comes in here and says that the best and most popular colors SHOULD be restricted to PvP achievements because PvP is better or harder...will illustrate my point perfectly.

ArcVelarian

No, just no.