zergblobs flipping flags without killing defenders

Agrippa_Invisus

Durham wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

playing on chillrend NA tonight, it's apparent the organized group metagame remains the same as it always has... blob on crown, spam heal purge CC, you can't be damaged by siege and anyone that comes near you to defend the flags gets instantly stun-locked... groups on all factions do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1ARHLXW0iA

Damn right we stack on crown and heal. If they don't want so many people in one spot fighting for legit objectives, they should think smaller scale . Because they've clearly stated it's not a hardware issue, yet they've had over a year to fine-tune the code.

Why bother getting good at a game and it's tactics if the dev's discourage it?

I was with GoS when Zazeer was being deposed, and that was a load of cow-dung. I agree with you that it shouldn't be able to flip if there's a friendly Player Character within flag radius.

Thank you for ruining our server with lag... BTW they can't fix it with out seriously handicaping PVE... Its no so much the code as it is mechanics BTW...

. Its not much skill or tactics to ball up and spam... BTW if you are stacking up intentionally to start the lag you should be banned... I'm all for people playing the way they want.... But if one style of play interferes with the performance of the game something should be done......

So, I'll address this. To be clear, I'm in that fight. Look in the upper left of Legacy X's raid frames. That's me there as Agrippa Inv (truncated).

So let's address this false accusation real quick.

At the start of the video you see DH at the top eastern stairs of Fort Aleswell. We're fairly spread and killing guards and solo players. Up until that point the keep had been fairly well cleared of blue (and by then, NPCs). The call is given to flip the Apse flag. What's not seen in the video is a blue reinforcement wave coming in the western postern. You see some of them coming in through the eastern postern (breached) as well. It's when those two forces contact that Legacy's put in the musical queue and you see him take a hard rubberband from a KB effect (Meteor it appears).

Instead of lag stacking with the blue we push through them to the nave. We swap back and forth more than once in an effort to 1) flip the keep and 2) not be stacked in one place spamming AEs, which would draw every blue to us like a moth to a flame to make it worse.

You see, in that nave, blue DKs spamming the ever loving crap out of banners. There are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more banners drawn in than could have been legitimately placed. Meanwhile blue is rezzing every corpse in the keep and they're running back onto the flags in an effort to save the keep, which unfortunately, makes matters worse. And we can't do anything about it because none of our damage is registering and siege can't be placed. Personally, I could barely even get light attacks to show up -- I didn't drop an ulti the whole fight since I couldn't generate any points.

The only time 'stop moving' is called (as heard over the TS) is when both flags were red and we pause to see if the keep flips. It does and even then we end up taking forever to clean it up due to the lag. As a topper, Legacy X desynced and crashed out (as shown in the video).

So in the end, what you see is a crappy server failing to handle even basic group fighting. There's no stacking a corner or making a tight little ball and spamming just one thing or another over and over, but attempting to work the mechanics of keep fighting (flipping two flags by standing on them).

Take your bitter recriminations and stuff them. If you think I, or my guild, are 'lagsploiting' (god, do I hate that word) then /report me and I'll have a pleasant conversation with a GM.

There's the video, nothing untoward is being done. The server code just sucks more than a Hoover vacuum trapped in a black hole. We're using the same skills we use in vDSA or Hel Ra or while farming delves and use the same buttons, and there's no lag there, even with 12 people stacked on the second boss of AA spamming damage and AEs.

xylena

DC just flipped kings on chillrend while at least a dozen EP defenders were still alive fighting

let's face it, zergblobbing is the optimal strategy for winning in eso pvp, until zos changes sad mechanics like the flags, it will remain that way

frozywozy

xylena wrote: »

DC just flipped kings on chillrend while at least a dozen EP defenders were still alive fighting

let's face it, zergblobbing is the optimal strategy for winning in eso pvp, until zos changes sad mechanics like the flags, it will remain that way

Not only that but looks like people started taking days off at work to be able to flip the map during the day since they cannot compete during primetime. DC max pop against EP 2bars. Funny thing, we never see that same group of players during the evening and no they aren't aussies. Oh the shame lol

corx3

frozywozy wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

DC just flipped kings on chillrend while at least a dozen EP defenders were still alive fighting

let's face it, zergblobbing is the optimal strategy for winning in eso pvp, until zos changes sad mechanics like the flags, it will remain that way

Not only that but looks like people started taking days off at work to be able to flip the map during the day since they cannot compete during primetime. DC max pop against EP 2bars. Funny thing, we never see that same group of players during the evening and no they aren't aussies. Oh the shame lol

Chillrend primetime has been plenty competitive. Go epeen somewhere else.

cozmon3c_ESO

corx3 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

DC just flipped kings on chillrend while at least a dozen EP defenders were still alive fighting

let's face it, zergblobbing is the optimal strategy for winning in eso pvp, until zos changes sad mechanics like the flags, it will remain that way

Not only that but looks like people started taking days off at work to be able to flip the map during the day since they cannot compete during primetime. DC max pop against EP 2bars. Funny thing, we never see that same group of players during the evening and no they aren't aussies. Oh the shame lol

Chillrend primetime has been plenty competitive. Go epeen somewhere else.

the real competition on chillrend right now during primetime is not dieing to lag.

Bouvin

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

i think the less people on the flag the faster it should flip, that way if your small group, or solo are skilled enough to own everyone you shouldnt be punished by how long it takes for a damn flag to flip and end up getting zerged. this will cause zergs to try and spread out on flags a bit (maybe, but they are mindless peons) the more people on the flags the slower it flips.

hows that for backwards awesomeness. i guess you can see im sick of getting zerged after fighting through 20 enemies and npcs everywhere just to have a zerg roll up behind our 3 man group to not have the damn thing flip for 10 damn minutes.

^^^^ Good idea

Instead of zergballing the flag to flip it while fighting, this would force you to clear the keep, then move off the flag to flip. Forcing the ACTUAL objective (taking over the keep) instead of just zerging the flag.

xylena wrote: »

hows that for backwards awesomeness

suggestion for more backwards awesomeness: AoE damage should amplify based on targets hit

example: hit 1 guy with a ballista? only 1k dmg... but hit 10 guys with a ballista shot? 10k dmg each

imagine the cool stuff organized groups would come up with if blobbing was punished, as opposed to remaining the "optimal" strategy for capping keeps

^^^^THIS

Discourage Zerg balls through game mechanics. Instead of making AOE have diminishing returns (in PVP only), have it amplify the more targets you hit.

Bouvin

frozywozy wrote: »

Dem DC banners.

I believe this is actually a lag & visual issue. There's probably only 1 banner there...

frozywozy

corx3 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

DC just flipped kings on chillrend while at least a dozen EP defenders were still alive fighting

let's face it, zergblobbing is the optimal strategy for winning in eso pvp, until zos changes sad mechanics like the flags, it will remain that way

Not only that but looks like people started taking days off at work to be able to flip the map during the day since they cannot compete during primetime. DC max pop against EP 2bars. Funny thing, we never see that same group of players during the evening and no they aren't aussies. Oh the shame lol

Chillrend primetime has been plenty competitive. Go epeen somewhere else.

I have never said that Chillrend primetime wasn't competitive.

frozywozy

Bouvin wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Dem DC banners.

I believe this is actually a lag & visual issue. There's probably only 1 banner there...

This is true and confirmed. There is only one banner which deal damage. But it's been prouven also that people spamming ultimates like this create even more particles to register from both server and client side and increase the lag even more. This is why we ask all players to stop spamming their ultimate and drop a million of them on the flag because first of all, only one will register in the end (it doesn't deal more damage) and second, because it decreases performances even more.

Durham

Observant wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Observant wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

playing on chillrend NA tonight, it's apparent the organized group metagame remains the same as it always has... blob on crown, spam heal purge CC, you can't be damaged by siege and anyone that comes near you to defend the flags gets instantly stun-locked... groups on all factions do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1ARHLXW0iA

Damn right we stack on crown and heal. If they don't want so many people in one spot fighting for legit objectives, they should think smaller scale . Because they've clearly stated it's not a hardware issue, yet they've had over a year to fine-tune the code.

Why bother getting good at a game and it's tactics if the dev's discourage it?

I was with GoS when Zazeer was being deposed, and that was a load of cow-dung. I agree with you that it shouldn't be able to flip if there's a friendly Player Character within flag radius.

Thank you for ruining our server with lag... BTW they can't fix it with out seriously handicaping PVE... Its no so much the code as it is mechanics BTW...

. Its not much skill or tactics to ball up and spam... BTW if you are stacking up intentionally to start the lag you should be banned... I'm all for people playing the way they want.... But if one style of play interferes with the performance of the game something should be done......

Are you really that ignorant? You think we enjoy lag AND intentionally create it?
It's definitely skill and even more so tactics to stack up.

Game Mechanics are written in Coding BTW.

Coding and mechanics are two different items... The code in this game is not that bad actually ... The mechanics are great in PVE but in PvP the machanics stress the servers when AOE get out of hand... As lag begins more people spam aoe due to the fact its the only ability in the game that will continue to go off...
Balling up maybe tactics ... But no skill ... When does standing in a green circle involve skill lol...
I really try to avoid you guys to be honest that's why I left Lagblade ....but now every one of these servers has ball zerg guilds

Durham

Bouvin wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

i think the less people on the flag the faster it should flip, that way if your small group, or solo are skilled enough to own everyone you shouldnt be punished by how long it takes for a damn flag to flip and end up getting zerged. this will cause zergs to try and spread out on flags a bit (maybe, but they are mindless peons) the more people on the flags the slower it flips.

hows that for backwards awesomeness. i guess you can see im sick of getting zerged after fighting through 20 enemies and npcs everywhere just to have a zerg roll up behind our 3 man group to not have the damn thing flip for 10 damn minutes.

^^^^ Good idea

Instead of zergballing the flag to flip it while fighting, this would force you to clear the keep, then move off the flag to flip. Forcing the ACTUAL objective (taking over the keep) instead of just zerging the flag.

xylena wrote: »

hows that for backwards awesomeness

suggestion for more backwards awesomeness: AoE damage should amplify based on targets hit

example: hit 1 guy with a ballista? only 1k dmg... but hit 10 guys with a ballista shot? 10k dmg each

imagine the cool stuff organized groups would come up with if blobbing was punished, as opposed to remaining the "optimal" strategy for capping keeps

^^^^THIS

Discourage Zerg balls through game mechanics. Instead of making AOE have diminishing returns (in PVP only), have it amplify the more targets you hit.

Great idea...