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First things first.... I am not Trolling here and not trying to provoke discontent...


It has been stated over and over again on Tamriel Unlimited ,the former E.S.O. web page, that Crown store items will be Conveyance and Cosmetic ONLY.

Many of us here are just letting you know that we will hold you too those statements.

If Tamriel Unlimited, does even a "trial run" with Crown Store items, that can considered to be " Pay To Win items", You Will see a large drop in your player base.

With all things being equal, This is your game and you can do with it what you want to; just giving you a heads-up.

How about the rest of you out there?
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    Wanna "pay to win thing".
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    Your idea is baseless and just conjecture.
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    I fail to understand the point of this. There have been plenty of posts on this topic, and it's clear that most of the community doesn't want pay-to-win items. No need for ultimatums.
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    I fail to understand the point of this. There have been plenty of posts on this topic, and it's clear that most of the community doesn't want pay-to-win items. No need for ultimatums.

    Not an ultimatum. Just making sure that this popular point of view is made clear to the Development team.
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    I agree with your statement, the only companies that allow their games to go P2W are games that care nothing for the game, community or anything but their own pockets. Their are plenty of games that are now P2W, including LOL, GW2, DCUO (technically it just has lots of DLC and you DO have to earn everything), WOW, FF14, FF11, Neverwinter (though it has other serious issues) and the secret world. Heck, even games like STO are not really P2W since you get to earn the cash shop currency in game (also, they are not needed ships). while some of them DO have EXP potions, none of those games have anything like the champion system. The champion system makes XP pots P2W.

    Their are plenty of example of good F2P, and B2P cash shops that a company can use without making the game P2W and still work fine.
  • dawnhawk
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    Not an ultimatum. Just making sure that this popular point of view is made clear to the Development team.

    So...you are of the opinion that the Development team was somehow previously oblivious to this point of view prior to this point and is only now due to your intervention somehow magically enlightened forevermore?
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    dawnhawk wrote: »
    Not an ultimatum. Just making sure that this popular point of view is made clear to the Development team.

    So...you are of the opinion that the Development team was somehow previously oblivious to this point of view prior to this point and is only now due to your intervention somehow magically enlightened forevermore?

    Well even though it is hard to cut through the sarcasm in your post to get at what you re trying to put forth...still not sure if there is a point or not.

    These topics are important to some people so they post here, on these forums, but when someone such as your self tries to put people down for posting their opinion it does draw focus away from the topic.
    Edited by Inactive Account on March 19, 2015 11:32PM
  • dawnhawk
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    Well if the sarcasm was too thick, I can happily spell it out.

    1) Your post reads as extremely disrespectful to the devs (as a computer programmer myself, I am biased and will freely admit to said bias).
    2) There are a TON of these posts on this EXACT topic already as was pointed out by nevarine - which you chose to sluff over with a statement that again reads as disrespectful.

    Spamming said "important" topic has never been proven to have any weight on reality. Rather than make yet another thread - why not continue one of the multitude in existence, collect all discussion and like minds in one place so you may reasonably have an account of who feels what, and then leave it up to the devs who will "do whatever they want with their game anyway"?
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    I fail to understand the point of this. There have been plenty of posts on this topic, and it's clear that most of the community doesn't want pay-to-win items. No need for ultimatums.

    Not an ultimatum. Just making sure that this popular point of view is made clear to the Development team.

    I am sure the development team is just as against pay to win as the rest of us are.
    However it remains to be seen if the suits that pay their paychecks are.
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    dawnhawk wrote: »
    Well if the sarcasm was too thick, I can happily spell it out.

    1) Your post reads as extremely disrespectful to the devs (as a computer programmer myself, I am biased and will freely admit to said bias).
    2) There are a TON of these posts on this EXACT topic already as was pointed out by nevarine - which you chose to sluff over with a statement that again reads as disrespectful.

    Spamming said "important" topic has never been proven to have any weight on reality. Rather than make yet another thread - why not continue one of the multitude in existence, collect all discussion and like minds in one place so you may reasonably have an account of who feels what, and then leave it up to the devs who will "do whatever they want with their game anyway"?

    To search through the forums for specific topics can be a daunting task here. I can't say if it's because of how the forum is set up or if it is because it is just easier to start a new thread, but we all do this...start new threads

    If there are a ton of threads on this topic, that must mean it is controversial, but no less important than ones started or quoted in by you.

    Uhm!! before you accuse me of being disrespectful and sluffing over other posts maybe you should of read my original post.

    " With all things being equal, This is your game and you can do with it what you want to" was in there. And as for disrespect. you don't seem to have an understanding of what that is judging by your attacks.

    You did not respond to my thread, you attacked it....

    This is an emotional topic for some but please try to control yourself a little more.
    Edited by Inactive Account on March 20, 2015 12:11AM
  • jluceyub17_ESO
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    dawnhawk wrote: »
    Not an ultimatum. Just making sure that this popular point of view is made clear to the Development team.

    So...you are of the opinion that the Development team was somehow previously oblivious to this point of view prior to this point and is only now due to your intervention somehow magically enlightened forevermore?

    Well even though it is hard to cut through the sarcasm in your post to get at what you re trying to put forth...still not sure if there is a point or not.

    These topics are important to some people so they post here, on these forums, but when someone such as your self tries to put people down for posting their opinion it does draw focus away from the topic.

    Dev team is already very aware of the subject of this post as there have been numerous other posts on this forum about it. Additionally, they've already pulled the Crown Store Potions when someone pointed out that those potions were stronger than any craft-able potion.

    Edit: And no it's not controversial, the opinions have been universally anti-P2W items.
    Edited by jluceyub17_ESO on March 19, 2015 11:45PM
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    First things first.... I am not Trolling here and not trying to provoke discontent...


    It has been stated over and over again on Tamriel Unlimited ,the former E.S.O. web page, that Crown store items will be Conveyance and Cosmetic ONLY.

    Many of us here are just letting you know that we will hold you too those statements.

    If Tamriel Unlimited, does even a "trial run" with Crown Store items, that can considered to be " Pay To Win items", You Will see a large drop in your player base.

    With all things being equal, This is your game and you can do with it what you want to; just giving you a heads-up.

    How about the rest of you out there?

    The developement team are not the ones who will decide what goes into the crown store , but the upper management will make that decision who are more concerned with making as large a profit as possible , as fast as possible.
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    First things first.... I am not Trolling here and not trying to provoke discontent...


    It has been stated over and over again on Tamriel Unlimited ,the former E.S.O. web page, that Crown store items will be Conveyance and Cosmetic ONLY.

    Many of us here are just letting you know that we will hold you too those statements.

    If Tamriel Unlimited, does even a "trial run" with Crown Store items, that can considered to be " Pay To Win items", You Will see a large drop in your player base.

    With all things being equal, This is your game and you can do with it what you want to; just giving you a heads-up.

    How about the rest of you out there?

    The developement team are not the ones who will decide what goes into the crown store , but the upper management will make that decision who are more concerned with making as large a profit as possible , as fast as possible.

    Agreed, but they do have a voice greater than ours here on the forums. They can put forth opinions to their "Bosses" that we cannot.
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    50% xp boosts are coming.

    It's already too late OP.
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    50% xp boosts are coming.

    It's already too late OP.

    I hope not.

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    50% xp boosts are coming.

    It's already too late OP.

    I hope not.

    Never give up hope.

    They are indeed coming unfortunately.

    Which, as another poster pointing out in another thread, that boost would also mean 50% boost towards CP gains, which are used to increase stats, etc. So..this is it at this point, enjoy TESO while you can.
    Edited by Zershar_Vemod on March 20, 2015 12:08AM
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    First things first.... I am not Trolling here and not trying to provoke discontent...
    Yes, you are
    Many of us here are just letting you know that we will hold you too those statements.
    Oh really? Damn.
    If Tamriel Unlimited, does even a "trial run" with Crown Store items, that can considered to be " Pay To Win items", You Will see a large drop in your player base.
    Just tell it to everyone - you can't afford a "pay to win" button.
    With all things being equal, This is your game and you can do with it what you want to; just giving you a heads-up.
    Just don't do it.
    How about the rest of you out there?
    Oh, well...
    Edited by LameoveR on March 20, 2015 12:14AM
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    P2W it objective my friend. Things added in the crown store that might be considered pay-2-win are completely opinion based.

    I, personally, don't consider boosts (ex: EXP boosts) and faster mounts as P2W because we all are going to get there eventually given you put the effort and time.

    I think a lot of people blur the lines between convenience and P2W. But like I said it's all personal desecration.
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    P2W it objective my friend. Things added in the crown store that might be considered pay-2-win are completely opinion based.

    I, personally, don't consider boosts (ex: EXP boosts) and faster mounts as P2W because we all are going to get there eventually given you put the effort and time.

    I think a lot of people blur the lines between convenience and P2W. But like I said it's all personal desecration.

    I agree with this post 100%. Overall though I strongly believe ZOS will handle things well overtime. I agree with you OP, I would despise this game if it offered true *play to win* items. As far as things like XP boosts go, for players like myself, I don't mind the slower paced grind to max level cap one bit! I enjoy the game to it's fullest and am along for the ride. However, I don't condone those players who may have very little time to play, and would like to see faster progression for themselves. When we start seeing things like buff foods, armor, and weapons available, THEN let's worry about that. I do agree with OP however, it's good to make sure ZOS sees posts like this, knowing it's player base doesn't want a P2W game.
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    Agree with OP. I have *many* issues with the game, and stated them, that would be whole different category but nontheless important. At the moment i'm staying with it since the promises they made, if delivered well will keep me playing, and the good outweighs the bad still.

    But breaking this promise as OP mentioned, would be THE final straw and would definitely make me quit.
    XP boosts etc obviously don't count but any item that can be bought, even if it's already in the game for money giving people an advantage over another is P2W.

    Saying that we can grind for hours to get an item that i could also get for 10€ without investing time or effort would make this game really....really cheap.
    And that is the last thing i would want to see.
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    Yeah P2W is coming .......

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    Pay to win is an inevitability. It won't happen tomorrow, but it will happen. It'll be needed so newer players can feel like they're competitive with players who have been here from the start. It will happen for the same reason that other games sell max level characters in their cash shop, or have events that allow players to level super fast. Without it, there will be too much disparity between existing players and new players to draw many new players to the game.

    Selling a flaming horse for $25.00 will only go so far, eventually ZoS will have to sell something of tangible benefit to keep their revenue stream.
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    firstdecan wrote: »
    Pay to win is an inevitability. It won't happen tomorrow, but it will happen. It'll be needed so newer players can feel like they're competitive with players who have been here from the start. It will happen for the same reason that other games sell max level characters in their cash shop, or have events that allow players to level super fast. Without it, there will be too much disparity between existing players and new players to draw many new players to the game.

    Selling a flaming horse for $25.00 will only go so far, eventually ZoS will have to sell something of tangible benefit to keep their revenue stream.

    Why do people actually belive this nonsense statement. Tell that to GW2 or Secret World, or DCUO, or NEverwinter, etc, none of them are P2W, yeah they have problems, but being P2W is not one of them.
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    PKMN12 wrote: »
    firstdecan wrote: »
    Pay to win is an inevitability. It won't happen tomorrow, but it will happen. It'll be needed so newer players can feel like they're competitive with players who have been here from the start. It will happen for the same reason that other games sell max level characters in their cash shop, or have events that allow players to level super fast. Without it, there will be too much disparity between existing players and new players to draw many new players to the game.

    Selling a flaming horse for $25.00 will only go so far, eventually ZoS will have to sell something of tangible benefit to keep their revenue stream.

    Why do people actually belive this nonsense statement. Tell that to GW2 or Secret World, or DCUO, or NEverwinter, etc, none of them are P2W, yeah they have problems, but being P2W is not one of them.

    Neverwinter is Pay to win, I know I played it for 6 mos, I hate it..
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    P2W it objective my friend. Things added in the crown store that might be considered pay-2-win are completely opinion based.

    I, personally, don't consider boosts (ex: EXP boosts) and faster mounts as P2W because we all are going to get there eventually given you put the effort and time.

    I think a lot of people blur the lines between convenience and P2W. But like I said it's all personal desecration.

    I do agree in principle with you about concepts being Objective. That is the basis of thought.

    I do still believe that there if a fine line between Pay to Win and Convenience though; it's just that it is surrounded in a grey fog.
    The more discussion on the matter brings more light to it and burns off the fog so we can see the line more clearly.
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    Will pay 100k crowns for an "I win" button
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    Yeah P2W is coming .......

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