Is the dungeon finder broken YES or NO?!
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LIQUID741✭✭✭Doesn't work, no one uses it. No answers to this question, so we will continue to ask.Solid-Nightblade of AD0 -
Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't think it has ever worked. Not even in beta. Best to just form your own group and go.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭
It sure did work after launch for several months, quite well actually. Instant queues for non-DPS around the clock level 15 to VR3 for me during that period. On par with what we see in other MMO games. I had quit a couple months in so in not sure when it stopped working, but it sure is depressing to see so many veteran players now under the impression the feature never worked. The standing around the capital city using zone chat as an LFG method is distasteful, especially to players who want to LFG for dungeons whilst solo questing in non-capital city zones.I don't think it has ever worked. Not even in beta. Best to just form your own group and go.
End the tedious inventory management game.2 -
Skjoldur✭✭✭I've had mixed experiences with the group finder.
As a veteran I sometimes get into a group almost instantaneously or at least after a couple of minutes, even as damage dealer, but sometime I don't get grouped up within 2 hours. -- I am sure I always have selected a role unless that turns of and on by itself sometimes.
On the other hand, I was never able to find a group with my non-veteran alts in the last few weeks. It was fine when the game started last year. Maybe this was due to few non-vets and has changed now with the influx of new players, I don't know.
At launch, grouping tool worked differently than now.
Back then, it made a group when two players that were searching for the same thing, were found. So, you had a group of two and the tool continued to search or wait for the missing two.
Now, it doesn't put the group together until it has found all four. And this is, imo, ZOS' biggest problem with this tool. I imagine the code for searching and pairing is very badly optimized and no-one wants to go even near it. Hence such silence on ZOS's part on a potential fix.
The code that searches for new and manages already found possible pairs, triples and full groups, is not very simple, but if you have no one that knows how to optimize it, it becomes impossible.
Last two time i was grouped with only 2 other people and it was faster to find a fourth in chat... If it is supposed to create a full group, then this is not working either.
They should also add a system similar to Blizzards new grouping tool in WoW: You can create a group in the categories questing, dungeons, raids and custom and then give it a title / description, select what roles and how many of them you are looking for and you can even set a minimum level / item level. For me this works very well especially for more uncommon stuff like hunting for specific achievements etc.
Edited by Skjoldur on March 19, 2015 3:46PM1 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »pecheckler wrote: »If Zenimax lacks the competence to fix their LFG tool then they should add a UI bulletin board in-game so players can search a database of players looking to participate in certain content.
that brings in elitists behaver, which is already in the game, the group finder is not used because of elitist behaver and rage quitting, simple answer to it is to use a reward system, ie: you get a reward like in wow or ffxiv but not until u finish the dungeon and after say 20 dungeons done by group finder you get an elite gear not sellable or obtained by any or means
You mean more elitist than the person who asked me how much dps I can do after I said LFG in zone chat?
The group finder is not used because it doesn't work. I am fully behind your idea of rewarding its use like in ffxiv, though. But first it would have to actually be able to build groups.
u just made my point why grouping should only be done by group finderMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike0 -
ragespell✭✭✭Keepercraft wrote: »Zone chat is faster then LFG and chat have more option.
No, it's not.
There are some sweet spot during the day in which you can find a group easily in chat.
But when people has left the capital to attend their business around tamriel, you can wait an hour or more just to form a group, while you can't do nothing but jumping around...ohh the fun!
If ZOS can't come up with a working algorithm to match players, they should give us a simple tool like GW2's.
A good coder can make it in less than a week of work I think.
But everything is better than it is now.
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Arezius✭✭✭There's only 2 things I can add to this but I'm sure most agreeing that the LFG doesn't work won't like it.
- I've used the LFG many times, and yes I'm a healer, but it has worked almost everytime, I only remember not finding a group once or twice, but it was late so I wasn't surprised.
- Each time I found the LFG to take some time I've asked in zone chat for other members, even DPS, and I had no answers. So, again, no surprise the LFG couldn't find anybody, there were simply nobody looking for a group at the time.
But I also wish to say that the zone chat should be a good way to find groups. And I don't know where you find your elitist members because I've yet to find any in my searches (but I won't deny it may exist if YOU encountered any).
On the opposite, I've even add many players to my friend list after playing with them (EU megaservers by the way).
What I'd like is the same kind of system as in The Secret World. You enlist for the LFG, but the LFG doesn't create the group for you. The LFG simply show you every people that are listed to it for the dungeon you're looking for, as well as the role each one chose. And then a player as to take the decision at one point to group people in order to make the "damn" group.
We are in an MMO, something that should bring people together, playing, talking, and interacting with each other. The more you'll ease the grouping process, like every other MMOs are doing, the less people will talk to each other. IT IS THE DEATH OF THE COMMUNITY. And that is when you'll begin to see rage-quit becoming normal, and people looking at you like a weirdo because you dare to say "hello".
Because as some said : Some people will just want to log in, have a group, have their loot, and never have to talk to others. It's like playing solo, except you're not in a group with NPCs, you are in a group with PEOPLE.
My point is, if some don't want to interact with other people, play a solo game, don't come to an MMO and act like you're the only one there.
Also, join guilds, they're awesome to have a group in seconds.
And on Zenimax part, please do the same system as in The Secret World, get rid of this LFG that obviously creates problems, and try as hard as you can to make people interact with each other, that's how you create a great community for your game, which will help everyone have fun.0 -
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Not true. I used to use it all the time after launch and it worked just fine.I don't think it has ever worked. Not even in beta. Best to just form your own group and go.
This is not a solution. I have better things to do than sit in a zone waiting for a group thank you. I should be able to quest in any zone and get a group when it matches me.Keepercraft wrote: »Zone chat is faster then LFG and chat have more option.
There are far too many variables in the game and it should allow for those multiple options via radio buttons instead of drop down. It should also remember your choices so you don't have to set it each time. If they gave it some serious attention I doubt it would actually take that much effort to correct. I suspect it's just not a priority.
Edited by eventide03b14a_ESO on March 19, 2015 1:11PM:trollin:0 -
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I couldn't disagree with you more. Not even if I tried.There's only 2 things I can add to this but I'm sure most agreeing that the LFG doesn't work won't like it.
- I've used the LFG many times, and yes I'm a healer, but it has worked almost everytime, I only remember not finding a group once or twice, but it was late so I wasn't surprised.
- Each time I found the LFG to take some time I've asked in zone chat for other members, even DPS, and I had no answers. So, again, no surprise the LFG couldn't find anybody, there were simply nobody looking for a group at the time.
But I also wish to say that the zone chat should be a good way to find groups. And I don't know where you find your elitist members because I've yet to find any in my searches (but I won't deny it may exist if YOU encountered any).
On the opposite, I've even add many players to my friend list after playing with them (EU megaservers by the way).
What I'd like is the same kind of system as in The Secret World. You enlist for the LFG, but the LFG doesn't create the group for you. The LFG simply show you every people that are listed to it for the dungeon you're looking for, as well as the role each one chose. And then a player as to take the decision at one point to group people in order to make the "damn" group.
We are in an MMO, something that should bring people together, playing, talking, and interacting with each other. The more you'll ease the grouping process, like every other MMOs are doing, the less people will talk to each other. IT IS THE DEATH OF THE COMMUNITY. And that is when you'll begin to see rage-quit becoming normal, and people looking at you like a weirdo because you dare to say "hello".
Because as some said : Some people will just want to log in, have a group, have their loot, and never have to talk to others. It's like playing solo, except you're not in a group with NPCs, you are in a group with PEOPLE.
My point is, if some don't want to interact with other people, play a solo game, don't come to an MMO and act like you're the only one there.
Also, join guilds, they're awesome to have a group in seconds.
And on Zenimax part, please do the same system as in The Secret World, get rid of this LFG that obviously creates problems, and try as hard as you can to make people interact with each other, that's how you create a great community for your game, which will help everyone have fun.
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ragespell✭✭✭
My point is, if some don't want to interact with other people, play a solo game, don't come to an MMO and act like you're the only one there.
Also, join guilds, they're awesome to have a group in seconds.
I really like to play with others. What I don't like is wasting my time to try and find someone to play with.
"healer LFG xyz"
"LF2M tank and dd vrX"
"LF1M tank"
"LF2M tank and DD"
and so on for a good 20 minutes.
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Razzak✭✭✭✭✭I've had mixed experiences with the group finder.
As a veteran I sometimes get into a group almost instantaneously or at least after a couple of minutes, even as damage dealer, but sometime I don't get grouped up within 2 hours. -- I am sure I always have selected a role unless that turns of and on by itself sometimes.
On the other hand, I was never able to find a group with my non-veteran alts in the last few weeks. It was fine when the game started last year. Maybe this was due to few non-vets and has changed now with the influx of new players, I don't know.
At launch, grouping tool worked differently than now.
Back then, it made a group when two players that were searching for the same thing, were found. So, you had a group of two and the tool continued to search or wait for the missing two.
Now, it doesn't put the group together until it has found all four. And this is, imo, ZOS' biggest problem with this tool. I imagine the code for searching and pairing is very badly optimized and no-one wants to go even near it. Hence such silence on ZOS's part on a potential fix.
The code that searches for new and manages already found possible pairs, triples and full groups, is not very simple, but if you have no one that knows how to optimize it, it becomes impossible.
Last two time i was grouped with only 2 other people and it was faster to find a fourth in chat... If it is supposed to create a full group, then this is not working either.
They should also add a system similar to Blizzards new grouping tool in WoW: You can create a group in the categories questing, dungeons, raids and custom and then give it a title / description, select what roles and how many of them you are looking fore and you can even set a minimum level / item level. For me this works very well especially for more uncommon stuff like hunting for specific achievements etc.
Interesting.
Ever since 1.5, in November, I haven't been able to get a group using this tool. But according to ZOS' claims, this was the change they made to it in that update, so maybe they reverted it back to working as it was at launch.1 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The Dungeon Finder works great - they generally don't move around much.
The LFG tool is less used than it once was because many have alternate methods of filling the spots, including guild chat, zone chat, and friends list involving previous successful running mates.
Much of the problem is, when LFG does get results, the results it gives are often less than favorable...
I don't want a full tilt 'gear score' or anything like that, but there has to be a middle ground. Something to indicate (even self proclaimed) your experience level/goal for the run. You could also indicate if you're looking for similarly equipped people to improve with/learn mechanics, or if you're looking for a 'Pro' to help show you the ropes, etc.
Right now, you get a VR level and a self-proclaimed role...the rest is pure limbo until you set foot through the door.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
kewl✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, has been since beta. But who cares about that now that you can buy a wedding dress? LOL ZOS.Edited by kewl on March 19, 2015 2:51PM0 -
Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Less people are using it because they are tired of sitting in que for HOURS. I have sat in que with TANK selected for so long that I forgot I was even in que. Hours and hours later couldn't figure out why auto-invite wasn't working in Cyrodiil.... It was because I was still in LFG que.
Maybe it is working for some and not for others. That would explain the vastly different statements in this thread.
But it doesn't work for me. It hasn't in a very long time.0 -
phesserb14_ESOSoul ShrivenYes its broken... +1 to fix and/or revamp it! Without this working properly, console social aspects will probably fail in a big way
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Razzak✭✭✭✭✭phesserb14_ESO wrote: »Yes its broken... +1 to fix and/or revamp it! Without this working properly, console social aspects will probably fail in a big way
I just might be that console has properly designed and working grouping tool already.1 -
I posted my reply also in the other thread about the group tool, so ill just copy/paste it because it seems be the better discussion here.
I keep hearing that the group finder is broken? Can anyone elaborate what it exactly is that is broken?
I was leveling my DK Tank the last 2 weeks and used it extensively. I always got a full group after 2-3 minutes. There was always at least one tank role (me), one healer and 2 DD. The people even were in quite the same level range (+/- 3 levels)
Is it not working properly? Doesnt seem so from my experience in the last weeks.
Or are people using it wrong? Which could easily be, because the interface is not very clear, f.e. compared to a group finder in wow.
Or are/were there just too few people using it? Which could also easily be. Add the always present problem of too many DD compared to tanks/healers and you will sit there for ages as a DD.0 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Whenever I have tried it during peak times of the game, it has always worked for me -- but it did take a very long time. I have long since just relied on watching zone chat when I feel like grouping up, since people so often spam the channel to find a party. If they improved the features of the LFG tool, I do think people might use it more often so I'd be in support of any suggestions to that end.
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✭✭✭✭✭pecheckler wrote: »For hours there have been arguments in zone chat debating between the group finder just being "broke" and it not working because "nobody uses it".
Which is it?
I have confirmed with nearly 15 people this evening that they have been queued for hours for veteran dungeons and not getting matched with anyone. The dungeon finder used to work great in the couple months after launch when I played previously. What has happened?
We cannot be expected to stand around in a town's zone chat manually searching for players. Such tediousness hasn't been part of MMO games in 10 years.
It's a poorly designed and useless tool. That's why no one uses it.
Would be nice if they fixed it.1 -
It takes a lot of time because people don't use it or people don't use it because it takes a lot of time?
Edited by rsiloliveiraub17_ESO on March 19, 2015 2:48PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »Is this a trick question? The LFG tool has never worked. Players have long since stopped using it in favor of the far more reliable zone chat.
The LFG tool DID work. I used it quite often as I was levelling... but.. this was back in April/MayLone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord0
