To everyone saying the fire horse is lore breaking

nerevarine1138

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

I think this newly added flaming horse is a sign that more of such stuff is coming and that they are not as stiff with whats in the game or not these days. I would like to see flying mounts and if we ask enough I hope it will make it into the game. its all convinience really and wouldnt have any impact on others

Flying mounts have a huge impact on the game.

I'm not a huge fan of the look of the flaming horse, but after they added the skeletal flaming horse in Skyrim, I don't totally oppose it.

But this isn't How to Train Your Dragon. It's a ridiculous aesthetic choice, and it severely impacts gameplay mechanics.

no i dont agree, it would have no impact on the story at least - there is only one vestige really so it wouldnt matter.
server side etc i bet there are limitations but nothing they cant overcome.

Who cares about it impacting the story?

It introduces massive problems with zoning mechanics. It eliminates all kinds of socialization from the game. It looks ridiculous. The list goes on.

I leave that for the game designers to work at, they built a game so they can make flying mounts aswell. the damend for such vanity items should be quite high so i see no reasons not to have them really. they would make money on it thats for sure

They built a game where a flying mount simply won't work unless you want people running in to invisible walls. They should not retool the entire world to appease your desire to fly around on the back of a dragon.

thelordoffelines

Its not lore breaking but if you bought the fire horse you are a scrub.
Its all about them guard.

Gidorick

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Its not lore breaking but if you bought the fire horse you are a scrub.
Its all about them guard.

I want a fire cat.

jircris11

It can not be lore breaking, this game is based before the other TES games and thus Zeni is able to add creatures that do not show in later games. I tend to think of the horse as another summon much like the clanfear or twilight.

Grigs

How many Narwhals must have died to make this unicorns!!!

JD2013

I love the lore. But it's theirs to play with.

Only three things imo could make my blood boil, lore wise:

- Dwemer coming back and as a playable race.
- The Brass God being used as a cheap plot ploy
- All the Dragons coming back. Dragon Mounts.

I hardly think a hellish horse is something to get so wound up about.

Xjcon

How is any of the stuff we have lore breaking. Isn't it a fantasy world with magics and such. I'm not all that familiar with all the things in the Elderscrolls world but it does seem that almost any creature would have a place in a fantasy game with the setting of a fantasy world.

Cody

It is in no way lore breaking. It came from Mehrunes Dagon's realm.

Iluvrien

Xjcon wrote: »

How is any of the stuff we have lore breaking. Isn't it a fantasy world with magics and such. I'm not all that familiar with all the things in the Elderscrolls world but it does seem that almost any creature would have a place in a fantasy game with the setting of a fantasy world.

Wait, what? If I understand this statement correctly you seem to be saying the following:

"I don't know about the lore but I still think it shouldn't be a problem with regards to those things I have said that I don't know about."
and
"Because ESO has fantasy elements that makes it a fantasy setting therefore anything that fits in any fantasy setting should be ok in ESO"

...erm?

I am staying out of the discussion as much as possible because although I have studied the lore extensively I certainly wouldn't consider myself a master of it. Maybe we should be leaving the discussion about whether the horse is lore-breaking or not... to the people who actually know what they are talking about. Just a thought.

Rust_in_Peace

You can cry about how it doesn't break the lore all you want but you still look like a jackass riding it.

Raash

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

I think this newly added flaming horse is a sign that more of such stuff is coming and that they are not as stiff with whats in the game or not these days. I would like to see flying mounts and if we ask enough I hope it will make it into the game. its all convinience really and wouldnt have any impact on others

Flying mounts have a huge impact on the game.

I'm not a huge fan of the look of the flaming horse, but after they added the skeletal flaming horse in Skyrim, I don't totally oppose it.

But this isn't How to Train Your Dragon. It's a ridiculous aesthetic choice, and it severely impacts gameplay mechanics.

no i dont agree, it would have no impact on the story at least - there is only one vestige really so it wouldnt matter.
server side etc i bet there are limitations but nothing they cant overcome.

Who cares about it impacting the story?

It introduces massive problems with zoning mechanics. It eliminates all kinds of socialization from the game. It looks ridiculous. The list goes on.

I leave that for the game designers to work at, they built a game so they can make flying mounts aswell. the damend for such vanity items should be quite high so i see no reasons not to have them really. they would make money on it thats for sure

They built a game where a flying mount simply won't work unless you want people running in to invisible walls. They should not retool the entire world to appease your desire to fly around on the back of a dragon.

People are used to invisible walls already. Doesnt matter much and to be honest they could add pegasus or griffins instead if dragons are of no interest to anyone but me(wich I doubt).. And why shouldnt they appease their audience? Seems logical to me they want to make money?

Iluvrien

Raash wrote: »

People are used to invisible walls already. Doesnt matter much and to be honest they could add pegasus or griffins instead if dragons are of no interest to anyone but me(wich I doubt).. And why shouldnt they appease their audience? Seems logical to me they want to make money?

Because if they turn ESO into yet another cookie cutter MMO with a slightly different skin (an argument some people are already making) then they may well lose more money (in the way of subscriptions and lost players) than they would gain by selling the mounts in the crown store.

Sevalaricgirl

My only characters riding a fire horse are my dragon knights and to me that's not ESO lore breaking. This is not Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. This is Elder Scrolls Online and if I can have a fire using dragon knight with flamed spiked armor then I can ride a flaming black horse too.

ItsGlaive

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

I think this newly added flaming horse is a sign that more of such stuff is coming and that they are not as stiff with whats in the game or not these days. I would like to see flying mounts and if we ask enough I hope it will make it into the game. its all convinience really and wouldnt have any impact on others

Flying mounts have a huge impact on the game.

I'm not a huge fan of the look of the flaming horse, but after they added the skeletal flaming horse in Skyrim, I don't totally oppose it.

But this isn't How to Train Your Dragon. It's a ridiculous aesthetic choice, and it severely impacts gameplay mechanics.

no i dont agree, it would have no impact on the story at least - there is only one vestige really so it wouldnt matter.
server side etc i bet there are limitations but nothing they cant overcome.

Who cares about it impacting the story?

It introduces massive problems with zoning mechanics. It eliminates all kinds of socialization from the game. It looks ridiculous. The list goes on.

I leave that for the game designers to work at, they built a game so they can make flying mounts aswell. the damend for such vanity items should be quite high so i see no reasons not to have them really. they would make money on it thats for sure

They built a game where a flying mount simply won't work unless you want people running in to invisible walls. They should not retool the entire world to appease your desire to fly around on the back of a dragon.

People are used to invisible walls already. Doesnt matter much and to be honest they could add pegasus or griffins instead if dragons are of no interest to anyone but me(wich I doubt).. And why shouldnt they appease their audience? Seems logical to me they want to make money?

I do believe you are just trolling at this point

Takhistis

Just see it as a gift from Hircine or Mehrunes Dagon...

Ticare

It's an elder scrolls game so anything they add is part of the lore and not lore breaking

AlienSlof

I made nightmare mods for Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim, all of which were very popular amongst mod users. I made them originally for my main character, big bad Basil, my high elf vampire, who has ridden a nightmare since Morrowind and on through all the other games as well. That he can ride one again, in a game I cannot mod, I, for one, was delighted to see it made available. Basil now feels complete.

bosmern_ESO

Xabien wrote: »

ONE is not lore breaking, it's unique and can be given a cool backstory. TWENTY or more on screen at once however... yeah pretty damn lore breaking.

You might want to learn the difference between a MMO and a single player is then.

Takhistis wrote: »

Just see it as a gift from Hircine or Mehrunes Dagon...

If any daedra would gift it, it would be Mehrune, If Hircine gifted a mount it would be a Deer/elk/moose or anything along those lines.

ItsGlaive

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

ONE is not lore breaking, it's unique and can be given a cool backstory. TWENTY or more on screen at once however... yeah pretty damn lore breaking.

You might want to learn the difference between a MMO and a single player is then.

I'm well aware of the difference. In single player, special flamey horsies aren't as law breaking because generally, they're unique and there's a reason for them being the way they are. In mmos everyone wants one, and indeed rides one, taking that uniqueness away and in this case, making it quite lorebreaking. I'm mean seriously, from a story point of view, what's the deal with a sudden army of flaming e-peens appearing in the world?

You might want to understand my point before dismissing it out of hand

Gidorick

Ticare wrote: »

It's an elder scrolls game so anything they add is part of the lore and not lore breaking

Cool deal. Where's my dwemer hoverboard?

Xjcon

Iluvrien wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

How is any of the stuff we have lore breaking. Isn't it a fantasy world with magics and such. I'm not all that familiar with all the things in the Elderscrolls world but it does seem that almost any creature would have a place in a fantasy game with the setting of a fantasy world.

Wait, what? If I understand this statement correctly you seem to be saying the following:

"I don't know about the lore but I still think it shouldn't be a problem with regards to those things I have said that I don't know about."
and
"Because ESO has fantasy elements that makes it a fantasy setting therefore anything that fits in any fantasy setting should be ok in ESO"

...erm?

I am staying out of the discussion as much as possible because although I have studied the lore extensively I certainly wouldn't consider myself a master of it. Maybe we should be leaving the discussion about whether the horse is lore-breaking or not... to the people who actually know what they are talking about. Just a thought.

So you think I should not have an opinion about something in regards to a game that I enjoy. You seem to be very passionate about lore, that's neat. It doesn't mean that anyone who views things different then you should leave the conversation. This is an mmo made by a company who wishes to make a profit, the fact that some of the lore may not be exactly to your liking doesn't mean the creators that made the series can't add other things to the world.

Rosveen

Gidorick wrote: »

Ticare wrote: »

It's an elder scrolls game so anything they add is part of the lore and not lore breaking

Cool deal. Where's my dwemer hoverboard?

Think bigger. Where's my Dwemer airship?

BBSooner

Rosveen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Ticare wrote: »

s an elder scrolls game so anything they add is part of the lore and not lore breaking

Cool deal. Where's my dwemer hoverboard?

Think bigger. Where's my Dwemer airship?

Eagerly anticipating my dwemer motorcycle that uses dragon souls as fuel. Cant wait to jump off mid air and Fus Do Dah a dragon in the face.

Hanzus

riverdragon72 wrote: »

I payed to beta this still broken game for nearly a year. I'll take my flame horse thank you, and you will like it.

1000x's agreed!

Obscure

JD2013 wrote: »

- The Brass God being used as a cheap plot ploy

They tread very closely...

Renamed the purple-quality stealable item "Bolt of the Second Numidium” to “Bolt of the Nimidium.” Akulakhan will never realize its ability to transcend time. That right belongs to another golem.

Gidorick

riverdragon72 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

They're not lore breaking, it's just silly that you can buy them. Mounts like the Fire Horse, Shadowmere, Arvak or the unicorn should require some questing to get.

I payed to beta this still broken game for nearly a year. I'll take my flame horse thank you, and you will like it.

Before the announcement of B2P or the Senche mount, I actually suggested that ZOS give us "loyal" players a flame horse if it ever went F2P... I think maybe they decided on the Senche because they saw my post and said "Hey... that guy Gid suggested this... we gotta change the mount to something else! We can't have him thinking we actually listen to and value all the junk he puts on the forum!!!"

So... Sorry about that.

Anywhere, here's that post:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/145590/if-eso-goes-free-to-play-something-for-subscribers-updated-we-got-it-sort-of/p1

Gidorick wrote: »

IF ESO goes free to play.... Can those of us who have had subscriptions get some sort of in-game thing to show that we were here when it was a subscription.

I mean, I've paid over $250 to play ESO (Box price + two 6 month subs) and it would be nice to be differentiated from the masses of free-playing gamers. A specific horse that will never be released would be awesome. I really like having my "beta monkey" and would like something similar if the whole F2P thing ever comes to pass.

Just a bug in the ear of ZOS... just in case.


Maybe?

bosmern_ESO

Xabien wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

ONE is not lore breaking, it's unique and can be given a cool backstory. TWENTY or more on screen at once however... yeah pretty damn lore breaking.

You might want to learn the difference between a MMO and a single player is then.

I'm well aware of the difference. In single player, special flamey horsies aren't as law breaking because generally, they're unique and there's a reason for them being the way they are. In mmos everyone wants one, and indeed rides one, taking that uniqueness away and in this case, making it quite lorebreaking. I'm mean seriously, from a story point of view, what's the deal with a sudden army of flaming e-peens appearing in the world?

You might want to understand my point before dismissing it out of hand

So you want only one person in the entire ESO community to have the horse? sorry thats not how MMO's work. If you don't like seeing tons of people have a unique mount you might as well go play a single players ES game.

Iluvrien

Xjcon wrote: »

So you think I should not have an opinion about something in regards to a game that I enjoy. You seem to be very passionate about lore, that's neat. It doesn't mean that anyone who views things different then you should leave the conversation. This is an mmo made by a company who wishes to make a profit, the fact that some of the lore may not be exactly to your liking doesn't mean the creators that made the series can't add other things to the world.

No, but I think if you weigh in on a discussion about whether something is lore-breaking or not then you should know the lore.

As I said before, even though I have studied the lore, enjoy the lore and am always seeking new lore I am staying out of this discussion as much as possible because I am aware that I don't know enough about the existence of the various horse species (natural and unnatural) to be able to contribute to a lore based discussion about them.

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

So you want only one person in the entire ESO community to have the horse? sorry thats not how MMO's work. If you don't like seeing tons of people have a unique mount you might as well go play a single players ES game.

One person? How about all of them. I played for about 4 hours last night. I was in Stonefalls, Deshaan, Eastmarch, Rivenspire and Bangkorai and every single horse that I saw a player riding was the flaming mount.

Castagere

Samadhi wrote: »

Anyone who isn't on a guar is doing it wrong anyway.

Lol i was going to get one. But after seeing someone ride one,it just looked real silly looking as a mount to me. So i got a horse. But my problem with the fire horse is seeing to many of them already. Next it will be like Archage with hooverboards.

Gidorick

Castagere wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Anyone who isn't on a guar is doing it wrong anyway.

Lol i was going to get one. But after seeing someone ride one,it just looked real silly looking as a mount to me. So i got a horse. But my problem with the fire horse is seeing to many of them already. Next it will be like Archage with hooverboards.

And this is just the FIRST Crown Store update! Imagine all the idi... er... I mean... amazing mounts and costumes we will see over the next year!!