To everyone saying the fire horse is lore breaking

nerevarine1138

Elridge wrote: »

tallenn wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

It is nightmare horse from Skyrim Dark brotherhood, so i didnt get about lore breaking issue

The issue is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Dark Brotherhood. That horse should have been a quest reward in the DB quest line, not a cash shop mount.

Nobody's saying the horse doesn't belong in Elder Scrolls, we're saying it doesn't belong outside of the context of the Dark Brotherhood.

I'm still confused as to why people keep tying this mount in with Dark Brotherhood? It isn't Shadowmere... did I miss something? Or do people keep saying this because it "looks" like it should be tied in with Dark brotherhood? I'm pretty confused as to why I keep hearing "It should come out with Dark Brotherhood".

I'm confused too.

Unless Shadowmere got hit with a fire extinguisher between ESO and Oblivion, this isn't Shadowmere. It's a completely unrelated horse.

And speaking as the Listener to the Night Mother, this one would not want a gaudy, flaming horse for stealthy assassinations. This one prefers the darkness.

Concenaros

I for one don't think it's Lore breaking.

The events that take place during this era in tamriel don't really have a written down/recorded effect on later lore.

This era is a time of war, deceit and subterfuge so it only makes sense that we can sort've do whatever we want in regards to individual mounts and achievements as characters because it isn't affecting the lore in the long run.

Not many people in the 3rd and 4th era remember anything from the 2nd era during the wars. Only what was written down and recorded by scribes.

That's why this is the perfect era for the MMO to take place. The overall story is still recorded but of course the thousands/millions of individual players achievements don't really mess with TES's overall canon.

BBSooner

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Time to milk a franchise to its fullest!

I always wonder if Lawrence Schick cringed (secretly or not) at some of the propositions or additions being made, and then has to put on the ZOS hat and find approval or be compliant.

BBSooner

Concenaros wrote: »

I for one don't think it's Lore breaking.

The events that take place during this era in tamriel don't really have a written down/recorded effect on later lore.

This era is a time of war, deceit and subterfuge so it only makes sense that we can sort've do whatever we want in regards to individual mounts and achievements as characters because it isn't affecting the lore in the long run.

Not many people in the 3rd and 4th era remember anything from the 2nd era during the wars. Only what was written down and recorded by scribes.

That's why this is the perfect era for the MMO to take place. The overall story is still recorded but of course the thousands/millions of individual players achievements don't really mess with TES's overall canon.

The Interregnum only covers so much, though. By arguing it's a catchall for everything that isn't consistent opens the doors to: Guns and other mechanized warfare, The Divines turning evil and the world is saved (uncharacteristically) by Dagon with the Divines and Dagon returning to normal at the end, the return of the Dwemer, hordes of dragons, a temporary takeover by the Sload or Maormer of Tamriel, Timetraveling Cyborgs (that are canon instead of just MK fan fiction), a completely new race that has never existed before, etc.

However to remain true to the IP, the phrase "because Interregnum" should be used as little as possible to explain circumstances. As for this mount, senche, dwemer motorcycles, Giant Cliff Racer flying mounts, etc, I'm sure "because Interregnum" well be used often for actual lore answers since there really is no other way to explain hordes of people riding senche or nightmares everywhere considering the complete irregularity of this in the future.

Acrolas

The Nightmare Courser is a bit cheesy, but it's all in good fun.

Hmm. We need Sheogorath's Cheese Stallion. And its vegan alternative, Shalidor's Silken Tofu Pony.

BigM

I like the horse and plan on getting it like so many others. If the game survives and starts making a big profit which I hope it does then I can only imagine the good mounts we may get in game. Even if it is a very rare drop I would love it.

Think it was a great idea for ZoS to put this horse in and no don't think it breaks lore going from single to MMO game.

Sylvyr

Now if only the flame horse intermittently "belched" a stream of fire from it's aft quarter. I would pay 20,000 crowns for that.

Elridge

Concenaros wrote: »

I for one don't think it's Lore breaking.

The events that take place during this era in tamriel don't really have a written down/recorded effect on later lore.

This era is a time of war, deceit and subterfuge so it only makes sense that we can sort've do whatever we want in regards to individual mounts and achievements as characters because it isn't affecting the lore in the long run.

Not many people in the 3rd and 4th era remember anything from the 2nd era during the wars. Only what was written down and recorded by scribes.

That's why this is the perfect era for the MMO to take place. The overall story is still recorded but of course the thousands/millions of individual players achievements don't really mess with TES's overall canon.

This is completely true, it's more about at what point do you stop and think "ok this is dumb" or say "hey look a cash grab", lets be honest, that's what it is, because it sells (it does look badass I don't deny that lol).. I mean lore wise they "could" invent whatever types of animals they want.. and just call them extinct later.

I'm gonna laugh in the next single player TES game when they address this with a crazy man who "found information" on the second era and starts speaking gibberish about fiery horses everywhere.

Gidorick

GreySix wrote: »

Little off-topic, but really looking forward to the day in the MMO-world that you can toggle off the hundreds of other "only-heroes" of the game world, interacting with them only if you wish to do so.

Would really help with immersitivity (how's that for the made-up word of the day?).

As is, you get to interact with an NPC who tells you you're the first person he's seen in a hundred years ... right after he told the same thing to the five other "one-and-only-heroes" standing around you.

Yeah, really digging what that NPC said just now.

MMO= Massively Multilayer OPTIONAL. Teehee.

BigM

Sylvyr wrote: »

Now if only the flame horse intermittently "belched" a stream of fire from it's aft quarter. I would pay 20,000 crowns for that.

Yeah like the Molton Core hound in WoW where it goes fire poop.

Concenaros

BBSooner wrote: »

Concenaros wrote: »

I for one don't think it's Lore breaking.

The events that take place during this era in tamriel don't really have a written down/recorded effect on later lore.

This era is a time of war, deceit and subterfuge so it only makes sense that we can sort've do whatever we want in regards to individual mounts and achievements as characters because it isn't affecting the lore in the long run.

Not many people in the 3rd and 4th era remember anything from the 2nd era during the wars. Only what was written down and recorded by scribes.

That's why this is the perfect era for the MMO to take place. The overall story is still recorded but of course the thousands/millions of individual players achievements don't really mess with TES's overall canon.

The Interregnum only covers so much, though. By arguing it's a catchall for everything that isn't consistent opens the doors to: Guns and other mechanized warfare, The Divines turning evil and the world is saved (uncharacteristically) by Dagon with the Divines and Dagon returning to normal at the end, the return of the Dwemer, hordes of dragons, a temporary takeover by the Sload or Maormer of Tamriel, Timetraveling Cyborgs (that are canon instead of just MK fan fiction), a completely new race that has never existed before, etc.

However to remain true to the IP, the phrase "because Interregnum" should be used as little as possible to explain circumstances. As for this mount, senche, dwemer motorcycles, Giant Cliff Racer flying mounts, etc, I'm sure "because Interregnum" well be used often for actual lore answers since there really is no other way to explain hordes of people riding senche or nightmares everywhere considering the complete irregularity of this in the future.

Yeah while I agree it's not an excuse to make everything make complete sense. It's still something to consider. I mean I don't want them completely f***ing with TES's lore overall for the 2nd Era.

But in terms of mounts this is one of those times that we can use the "because Interregnum" case. Ahahaha.

gard

If I light my Imperial horse's farts on fire, does that make him a fire horse?
'Cause I do that.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

At first, I thought "How Cool!". Then logged in and saw them every where! Not so cool. But, hey. Wth. I got one and now I put on my skeleton costume, go to Bleakrock Isle and mess with new folks there. Makes it soooo worth getting the mare..:)

tallenn

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

At first, I thought "How Cool!". Then logged in and saw them every where! Not so cool. But, hey. Wth. I got one and now I put on my skeleton costume, go to Bleakrock Isle and mess with new folks there. Makes it soooo worth getting the mare..:)

That's quite true, they are very common. I personally preferred the black (or dark gray) horse with the white mane. That's what I bought.

Tonnopesce

Well it is still lore breaking but imo.

The only thing i'm shure of is that, this horse is a perfect whale bait. ò_ò

Raash

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

nerevarine1138

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

Pallmor

Knootewoot wrote: »

They just added the firehorse to the lore. Deal with it. It will fit my character perfectly.

Now if they will just add a rainbow-whale as pet and I am happy

That would sell like hotcakes in the Crown Store.

Tandor

GreySix wrote: »

Little off-topic, but really looking forward to the day in the MMO-world that you can toggle off the hundreds of other "only-heroes" of the game world, interacting with them only if you wish to do so.

Would really help with immersitivity (how's that for the made-up word of the day?).

As is, you get to interact with an NPC who tells you you're the first person he's seen in a hundred years ... right after he told the same thing to the five other "one-and-only-heroes" standing around you.

Yeah, really digging what that NPC said just now.

Shroud of the Avatar should be the game for you then. Check out the different server options.

Meanwhile, the fact that you're the hero saving the world on his own but accompanied by lots of other heroes has to be accepted with a suspension of belief as a matter-of-fact part of MMOs or else people need to stick to single player games (ignoring the parallel universes (i.e. computers) in which other heroes are also saving the world as single players). How else do you kill a boss mob in WoW, EQ2, TSW or any other MMO without asking "Hang on, didn't someone else already kill this guy? Just how many lives does he have?"

Raash

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

I think this newly added flaming horse is a sign that more of such stuff is coming and that they are not as stiff with whats in the game or not these days. I would like to see flying mounts and if we ask enough I hope it will make it into the game. its all convinience really and wouldnt have any impact on others

nerevarine1138

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

I think this newly added flaming horse is a sign that more of such stuff is coming and that they are not as stiff with whats in the game or not these days. I would like to see flying mounts and if we ask enough I hope it will make it into the game. its all convinience really and wouldnt have any impact on others

Flying mounts have a huge impact on the game.

I'm not a huge fan of the look of the flaming horse, but after they added the skeletal flaming horse in Skyrim, I don't totally oppose it.

But this isn't How to Train Your Dragon. It's a ridiculous aesthetic choice, and it severely impacts gameplay mechanics.

Raash

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

I think this newly added flaming horse is a sign that more of such stuff is coming and that they are not as stiff with whats in the game or not these days. I would like to see flying mounts and if we ask enough I hope it will make it into the game. its all convinience really and wouldnt have any impact on others

Flying mounts have a huge impact on the game.

I'm not a huge fan of the look of the flaming horse, but after they added the skeletal flaming horse in Skyrim, I don't totally oppose it.

But this isn't How to Train Your Dragon. It's a ridiculous aesthetic choice, and it severely impacts gameplay mechanics.

no i dont agree, it would have no impact on the story at least - there is only one vestige really so it wouldnt matter.
server side etc i bet there are limitations but nothing they cant overcome.

nerevarine1138

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

I think this newly added flaming horse is a sign that more of such stuff is coming and that they are not as stiff with whats in the game or not these days. I would like to see flying mounts and if we ask enough I hope it will make it into the game. its all convinience really and wouldnt have any impact on others

Flying mounts have a huge impact on the game.

I'm not a huge fan of the look of the flaming horse, but after they added the skeletal flaming horse in Skyrim, I don't totally oppose it.

But this isn't How to Train Your Dragon. It's a ridiculous aesthetic choice, and it severely impacts gameplay mechanics.

no i dont agree, it would have no impact on the story at least - there is only one vestige really so it wouldnt matter.
server side etc i bet there are limitations but nothing they cant overcome.

Who cares about it impacting the story?

It introduces massive problems with zoning mechanics. It eliminates all kinds of socialization from the game. It looks ridiculous. The list goes on.

Teiji

It's sad, but many people will cry "lore-break" and embarrass themselves just for the sake of it. Because being negative about anything related to TESO: TU is cool or something.

I'll never forget such heated rage such as; "By Azura! This gaem is a monster! Xivkyn!? What in oblivion is a Xivkyn!? Omg, huge lore-break! There are no Xivkyn! This gaem is a blight upon lore!"

Yes. Whatever. Kyn are Kyn. Differentiations in names illustrates their importance within military and political positions. Churl, Xivilai, Kynval, Kynreeve all commonly referred to as Kyn. Valyknaz, such as Valkyn Skoria.

Xivkyn [the motif specifically] is practically the royal guard of Daedric armor anyway. Daedric is cannon-fodder Dremora, porridge & oats ration uniform, kinda sad we have to wear Churl clothes but at least it wont be for much longer.

Raash

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Only thing i can think of thats bad with the inferno stallions is its a bit unethical to have animals put on fire but if that rocks the boat for ya, then sure thing. im just happy they finally opened the door and took a giant step towards adding flying mounts (finally).

No one said anything about that ridiculous idea.

No flying mounts. Not now. Not ever.

I think this newly added flaming horse is a sign that more of such stuff is coming and that they are not as stiff with whats in the game or not these days. I would like to see flying mounts and if we ask enough I hope it will make it into the game. its all convinience really and wouldnt have any impact on others

Flying mounts have a huge impact on the game.

I'm not a huge fan of the look of the flaming horse, but after they added the skeletal flaming horse in Skyrim, I don't totally oppose it.

But this isn't How to Train Your Dragon. It's a ridiculous aesthetic choice, and it severely impacts gameplay mechanics.

no i dont agree, it would have no impact on the story at least - there is only one vestige really so it wouldnt matter.
server side etc i bet there are limitations but nothing they cant overcome.

Who cares about it impacting the story?

It introduces massive problems with zoning mechanics. It eliminates all kinds of socialization from the game. It looks ridiculous. The list goes on.

I leave that for the game designers to work at, they built a game so they can make flying mounts aswell. the damend for such vanity items should be quite high so i see no reasons not to have them really. they would make money on it thats for sure

Knootewoot

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Previous ES games would like to have a word with you.

There are more horses then just the normal ones in Elder scrolls lore.

You nabbed it too, huh?

First time I came across this and his three friends, I hopped on and exited the area - thinking I was saving him...

Couldn't figure out why every time I'd leave him be for more than a minute, he'd start wandering back to his original location. "They're gonna kill you, don't you know that??"

Finally, after breaking out my weapon once (not in battle), the stupid thing attacked me, so that was it.

I had corralled it behind a closed gate to keep it from wandering off prior to that. When it snapped, I let it go back to its doom... (Made the quest that later involved it much easier to take.)

Anyway, it is lorebreaking...but so are jesters, chefs, and brides riding into battle on guar mounts, as well as Dogs, Pigs, and Monkeys standing in the lava while you fight VS in City of Ash...

It makes $. It stays.

It's really that simple.

How are Brides riding on guars lorebreaking? Maybe she was about to be wed and her Groom was murdered by some cheating EP scum.

Same for chefs and jesters. They could have their reasons to join the fight. Poisoned food, customers complaining on facebook for the chef or dead kings or to much rotten tomatoes for the jester.

@Knootewoot , it's more the quantity than the quality.

I can see the occasional individual snapping and going on a rampage...Azura knows there's some crazy out there, but when it looks like the Kitchen and Bridal show all went to lunch and got hammered...well...

Perhaps the Jesters were the entertainment, the brides weren't amused, went to lunch, got lit, tipped poorly, and the rest ensued?

I suppose anything's possible.

Well i PvPéd and saw to many Brides(man) on guars. I pressed alt+f4

demonaffinity

I want a Sheogorath mount

k9mouse

Gidorick wrote: »

Those were one of a kind horses... not one of ten thousand.

This^ A fire horse is just lore breaking and ZOS should know better then to break lore in such an open way. SHAME ON ZOS!

TequilaFire

All I wanted was a black horse with red eyes.
But they gave me War!

Shades of Red Dead Nightmare. lol

kijima

Fire horsey = not lore breaking.

A combatant on the battle field, in a wedding dress tea-bagging you, yeah that's an image that is both lore breaking and something I don't want to see again anytime soon.

P.S. I'm somewhat astounded that my auto correction gave me correct grammar and spelling for tea-bagging.