The Fall Damage Exploit

Rylana

So lets have a talk about this, certain group of reds.

In TS tonight we figured out what was causing the fall damage we see on death recaps in open field fights. Anything that causes knockback + application of massive lag = midair suspension for massive fall damage when the server catches up.

So now that I know WHY you lagbomb, all I have to figure out is how. So care to tell me flat out, or do I have to do the purge debuff digging like I did with a certain blue group months ago.

Ive heard things, weird things, on how you do it (one even allegedly involves streaming video), so its time to fess up. I will figure it out and bug/report it and each and every one of your names doing it otherwise.

I am going to make this crystal clear, I have eliminated all other possibilities, it is literally your group alone. I can fight anyone, anywhere, at any time. As long as you are not on the field somewhere, no lag problems. The moment you show up, blasted to 5k+ ping rates.

Kevinmon

AMEN

Panda244

See... Without legitimate proof. I'm going to leave with this.

NadiusMaximus

Hehe is see what you did there.... It's pretty clear if you look for it. I'll agree with you too, but there's a group of yellow that the same lag happens, as well as a small group of blue. When both fight, that's when stuff crashes out or becomes a lag fight to the end. It's probably all the same guys, just switching factions to grind eachother, since the groups use pretty much the same exact techniques.

The_Death_Princess

ZOS - pay attention. You wish to solve the lag problem, this is a major part of it. You wont let us call out who it is in posts, so get in touch with either rylana or myself and we will tell you.

Tired of using support tickets that just seem ignored.

The_Death_Princess

Oh btw, the lag bomb makes it had to put in the ticket too.

umagon

I think it's related to the skill that looks like rotating ring of fire thrown at you. I forget the name. But last night at chal I noticed every time I got hit with it on flat ground I would take 56k fall damage. I begain just reflecting it back every time someone would start spamming it.

Alomar

Lol . Yet, we've been taking 60-80k fall damage from meteor fall damage anywhere and from other knockback effects on stairs or other higher to lower positions. Maybe educate yourself more and not go full "illuminati" next time.

Breaking outa cc halfway in the air stops the fall damage, only thing we can do atm till it's fixed.

Morostyle

Exploit? no way!

http://tinypic.com/r/27x2lw8/8

yodased

The internet doesn't work that way.

See you have to imagine the internet as a series of tubes...

IF I had to guess, I would say they are using skills that have too many paritcle effects for the server to render correctly and spamming them. Like caltrops.

Ever notice you get invisible caltrops and pulsar doesn't show and all your nifty effects start to drop as soon as you get around certain player groups?

Its because they understand they can tax the server connection by spamming skills, its not something new, they simply exploit the way the game creates particle effects for each individual player's skills.

Lots of little tiny renderings at a massive speed cause the server to eat a rolo.

Darklord_Tiberius

We have seen fall damage hits between 20-50k just getting knocked off a keep wall. We have screens and have reported the issue. Its not just that red guild doing it, but it no surprise they do it; they exploit any and everything they can.

Tripe

Why is the server rendering particle effects? Why hasn't anyone noticed taking fall damage from knockbacks before 1.6? Why does everyone always intentionally lag out the server?

There was a full moon tonight. Someone asked me why it was shining. After explaining, I sensed some disbelief as he stared on dumbfounded.

Later on, I was playing ESO. I charged at a player and promptly fell through the floor taking over my maximum hitpoints in fall damage. I'm fairly sure the player I charged was using a particle-effect-lag-fall-through-floor-hack-exploit. I'm also pretty sure the two guys who ran over my corpse without rezing me were in on it. I have screenshots of them trampling my remains.

cozmon3c_ESO

Im pretty sure zos knows who they are lol, crystal and red are all you need to know. Why doesn't zos shadow these guys one night, record it and then put measures in the game to prevent it from happening. Is it that hard to work overtime one night zos devs, your game is getting ruined by a group of just 24 people.

Lava_Croft

The EU server has a certain guild which has the same result on people's ping meters.

Anazasi

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

We have seen fall damage hits between 20-50k just getting knocked off a keep wall. We have screens and have reported the issue. Its not just that red guild doing it, but it no surprise they do it; they exploit any and everything they can.

I hear barrel rider is a cool title too. Made its way into a real movie.... once....

aco5712

Rylana wrote: »

So lets have a talk about this, certain group of reds.
So care to tell me flat out, or do I have to do the purge debuff digging like I did with a certain blue group months ago.

No one ever knew it was purge that was causing it. It was just tried one day and wall seemed to be effective for some reason so it was kept. No one knew until you figuring it out, dont make it seem like it was intentional xD

Asgari

aco5712 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

So lets have a talk about this, certain group of reds.
So care to tell me flat out, or do I have to do the purge debuff digging like I did with a certain blue group months ago.

No one ever knew it was purge that was causing it. It was just tried one day and wall seemed to be effective for some reason so it was kept. No one knew until you figuring it out, dont make it seem like it was intentional xD

Shhh ... Let them think we knew

Xexpo

Tripe wrote: »

Why is the server rendering particle effects? 1. Why hasn't anyone noticed taking fall damage from knockbacks before 1.6? Why does everyone always intentionally lag out the server?

snip

Later on, I was playing ESO.2. I charged at a player and promptly fell through the floor taking over my maximum hitpoints in fall damage. I'm fairly sure the player I charged was using a particle-effect-lag-fall-through-floor-hack-exploit.

'snip

1. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154062/watch-your-step
2. not the same thing

Hughezy

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

So lets have a talk about this, certain group of reds.
So care to tell me flat out, or do I have to do the purge debuff digging like I did with a certain blue group months ago.

No one ever knew it was purge that was causing it. It was just tried one day and wall seemed to be effective for some reason so it was kept. No one knew until you figuring it out, dont make it seem like it was intentional xD

Shhh ... Let them think we knew

No Mercy is responsible for every bug in this game, its all in my new book 'Tinfoil Conspiracies with Marcel' buy now and get a free biography about Princess Asgari!

Roechacca

Well it's Spring now so don't do that anymore .


Set your clocks forward 1Hr kids

aco5712

Hughezy wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

So lets have a talk about this, certain group of reds.
So care to tell me flat out, or do I have to do the purge debuff digging like I did with a certain blue group months ago.

No one ever knew it was purge that was causing it. It was just tried one day and wall seemed to be effective for some reason so it was kept. No one knew until you figuring it out, dont make it seem like it was intentional xD

Shhh ... Let them think we knew

No Mercy is responsible for every bug in this game, its all in my new book 'Tinfoil Conspiracies with Marcel' buy now and get a free biography about Princess Asgari!

Id like to preorder 2 copies please.

Hughezy

aco5712 wrote: »

Hughezy wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

So lets have a talk about this, certain group of reds.
So care to tell me flat out, or do I have to do the purge debuff digging like I did with a certain blue group months ago.

No one ever knew it was purge that was causing it. It was just tried one day and wall seemed to be effective for some reason so it was kept. No one knew until you figuring it out, dont make it seem like it was intentional xD

Shhh ... Let them think we knew

No Mercy is responsible for every bug in this game, its all in my new book 'Tinfoil Conspiracies with Marcel' buy now and get a free biography about Princess Asgari!

Id like to preorder 2 copies please.

You also earn a free copy of BBQ's moaning mixtape for ordering 2!!!

aco5712

Hughezy wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Hughezy wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

So lets have a talk about this, certain group of reds.
So care to tell me flat out, or do I have to do the purge debuff digging like I did with a certain blue group months ago.

No one ever knew it was purge that was causing it. It was just tried one day and wall seemed to be effective for some reason so it was kept. No one knew until you figuring it out, dont make it seem like it was intentional xD

Shhh ... Let them think we knew

No Mercy is responsible for every bug in this game, its all in my new book 'Tinfoil Conspiracies with Marcel' buy now and get a free biography about Princess Asgari!

Id like to preorder 2 copies please.

You also earn a free copy of BBQ's moaning mixtape for ordering 2!!!

I am at his live podcasts every day, what a joy now that i have it on tape!

WraithAzraiel

Panda244 wrote: »

See... Without legitimate proof. I'm going to leave with this.

It's red. You don't need legitimate proof. There's plenty already on the forums, videos and whatnot that have likely been taken down because naming/shaming. People are just constantly calling attention to it because nothing's been done about it.


I fought a group of reds today of which none were taking any damage from my attacks. My ping was fine, my FPS was at a solid 35. No damage shield on the target, at least not according to FTC.

Just dudes were not taking damage, I Ambushed, I Surprise Attack'd, I dropped Soul Tether. Nothing. Then BLAM! 3 Radiant Destructions to the face.

Rylana

This issue has now crossed over into yellow territory as it happened to me twice from the same group of yellows on Chillrend.

So now AD has figured out how its done as well. DC is lagging behind but this is getting out of hand now.

Talcyndl

Question for FTC users....are shielded attacks noted in the scrolling damage numbers? Ie, if you are seeing no scrolling damage number for an attack, is that because it was shielded or because of some bug/exploit/broken something?

yodased

@Rylana Nah DC does it quite often too. They were in Nikel the other day stacked 20 deep spamming caltrops bats and healing springs lagging everyone out. Its all the same garbage, I guess its a "can't beat em, join em" situation.

Junipus

Lava_Croft wrote: »

The EU server has a certain guild which has the same result on people's ping meters.

Is that the yellow stackers or the red train?

Both seem to fail when hit by those outside the immediate area and suffer greatly when they cannot affect ping

ZOS_GinaBruno

We can tell you that while it's unlikely this will be fixed with next week's maintenance, we are looking into it and will try to fix it as soon as we can. We'll let you know if the status changes, though.

Ffastyl

yodased wrote: »

@Rylana Nah DC does it quite often too. They were in Nikel the other day stacked 20 deep spamming caltrops bats and healing springs lagging everyone out. Its all the same garbage, I guess its a "can't beat em, join em" situation.

Just to cite an incident that may look like this but was not,
A DC group I ran with captured Sejanus one night and plotted to defend it against hordes of AD and EP on either side. When our group leader asked who had Caltrops, everyone responded "1" (yes). He wanted to see what all those Caltrops thrown on the same spot would look like, so before anyone arrived to siege we threw them down on the bottom of a stairwell.
It was beautiful.
And then AD knocked on our door.

Domander

Is this why some crybaby whispered me "lol reported" after I knocked them off a wall? Not an exploit.






I can see causing a crap ton of lag and then abusing the fall damage that way as not only exploiting but ruining pvp.

However I want to say IT SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE TO CAUSE THIS LAG IN THE FIRST PLACE.