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The Fall Damage Exploit
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Kragorn✭✭✭✭✭
This!However I want to say IT SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE TO CAUSE THIS LAG IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It's an appalling indictment of ZOS lousy server software design if a client can do ANYTHING to cause such catastrophic effects on the server, AT ALL. It's even more appalling that this has been going on for so long and ZOS clearly still don't really have a clue what it is and/or how to fix it.
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Methuselah✭✭✭cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »Im pretty sure zos knows who they are lol, crystal and red are all you need to know. Why doesn't zos shadow these guys one night, record it and then put measures in the game to prevent it from happening. Is it that hard to work overtime one night zos devs, your game is getting ruined by a group of just 24 people.
Just to make this crystal clear. Most of those reds are pve'ing.0 -
Messy1✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We can tell you that while it's unlikely this will be fixed with next week's maintenance, we are looking into it and will try to fix it as soon as we can. We'll let you know if the status changes, though.
Your response is unacceptable . . . why do these things take weeks to resolve . . . tell your tech people to give us a step by step list of reasons why it can't be done . . . does ZOS pay people overtime . . . you guys are at a critical juncture . . . you yourself (I am not attacking you on this) posted something along the lines of "Fix everything," so that's some sort of admission that you know things are somewhat broken.
I am so exasperated.3 -
Randir_Lom✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We can tell you that while it's unlikely this will be fixed with next week's maintenance, we are looking into it and will try to fix it as soon as we can. We'll let you know if the status changes, though.
Next month maybe?
I kid, we all know it will be fixed for console.VR 14 Nightblade
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Randir_Lom wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We can tell you that while it's unlikely this will be fixed with next week's maintenance, we are looking into it and will try to fix it as soon as we can. We'll let you know if the status changes, though.
Next month maybe?
I kid, we all know it will be fixed for console.
We all know PvP will be removed for console.
FTFY
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Randir_Lom✭✭Not removed, but that 12v12 random stuff in Halo.
Sub ends tomorrow, I really don't care anymore.
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Kuro1n✭✭✭The internet doesn't work that way.
See you have to imagine the internet as a series of tubes...
IF I had to guess, I would say they are using skills that have too many paritcle effects for the server to render correctly and spamming them. Like caltrops.
Ever notice you get invisible caltrops and pulsar doesn't show and all your nifty effects start to drop as soon as you get around certain player groups?
Its because they understand they can tax the server connection by spamming skills, its not something new, they simply exploit the way the game creates particle effects for each individual player's skills.
Lots of little tiny renderings at a massive speed cause the server to eat a rolo.
This is not how it works, the server isn't rendering at all, only clients render. Making the server render would be a very bad decision.
What I believe however makes it lag is that the server has to figure out who to hit with what and when you have 50 people spamming heal and the server has to decide who gets the heal and how much plus sending these calculations out to all clients in the area and as players come to fight them those are also spamming skills so the load quickly ramps up and it becomes hard for the server to keep at it. If the zergs would die faster it wouldn't be a problem. Next time you encounter such a zerg, group up with a few friends (4-5 or so) and all hit shooting star in the middle of them when they are very concentrated. Watch how quickly the lag goes away.
Edited by Kuro1n on March 11, 2015 10:34AM0 -
bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I'm just wondering is the Purge-bug still being looked into (or is it maybe 'already' fixed, prob not)
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cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭fall damage op!!!Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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LonePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We can tell you that while it's unlikely this will be fixed with next week's maintenance, we are looking into it and will try to fix it as soon as we can. We'll let you know if the status changes, though.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Until a proper fix is implemented, how about disabling fall damage entirely? NPCs don't incur any fall damage so you obviously know how to disable it. Once a proper fix is in place, you can then re-enable fall damage. Until then, you are aiding and abetting those who intentionally and unintentionally cause these 50K-90K+ fall damage events.
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Darlgon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Please hurry with the fix. This is silly.Edited by Darlgon on March 11, 2015 8:19PMPower level to CP160 in a week:
Where is the end game? You just played it.
Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
Where is new content? Sigh.1 -
LunaRae✭✭✭✭Please hurry with the fix. This is silly.
If the issues weren't enough it even trolls you through tool tip hints - Watch your step Next tip L2P Stands-Strong-As-Snow ~ Argonian Templar DC NA V14
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Deviante✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »It's red. You don't need legitimate proof.
I love it when people blame the "other" faction for the lag. Its not the faction, as a red player I see the same calls from randoms about yellow/blue/green doing the exact same thing.
If the game cant handle the situation and lag is the outcome then blame the game or blame your pc.0 -
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Sakis Tolis - Sorceror (v10 in progress) Living Legend!
Xuhl'Xotuun - Warden Current Main as im starting the game over essentially with this character aside from crafting.
Creator of Khajiit fall dmg reduction racial passive concept.1 -
Tripe✭✭✭Why is the server rendering particle effects? 1. Why hasn't anyone noticed taking fall damage from knockbacks before 1.6? Why does everyone always intentionally lag out the server?
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Later on, I was playing ESO.2. I charged at a player and promptly fell through the floor taking over my maximum hitpoints in fall damage. I'm fairly sure the player I charged was using a particle-effect-lag-fall-through-floor-hack-exploit.
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1. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154062/watch-your-step
2. not the same thing
It wasn't meant to be an example of the same thing. It was meant to be an example of the inanity of blaming everything that happens in-game on whoever killed you last and whoever happens to be in the vicinity at the time.
This bug has been around forever. We're seeing it more often now due to block changes, stamina changes, and more people using knockback skills. Does this really have to be explained? If I had screenshots of all my deaths, I could easily dig up a dozen of these from before 1.6. I specifically remember taking fall damage in the middle of a field or from getting knocked two steps down a staircase. It's nothing new.
if you could have heard me two weeks ago, you would have heard complaining about how 1.6 was going to be a bunch of people running around trying to knock the other team off of cliffs, keeps, and other high places....and not so high places. Thankfully, it isn't as bad as I made it sound, but I could have told you this was going to happen.
I know it isn't always the case, but the next time this happens to you, ask yourself, "was I vastly outnumbered with no hope of escape? Did I just take 20k+ damage and the last hit just happens to be 30k fall damage? If so, you were probably dead anyway. Hit the respawn button and move on. Oh, and don't stand near the edge of keep walls or other high places and expect not to be knocked back.
If you are running around with a knockback on your bar, there is probably a good chance you have caused this bug to happen to another player. Maybe you're the one exploiting under your own definition.
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Suhxtob-yu✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
I also was hit with a 76k fall damage at Bleakers tonight. Just before running in the door, someone from my faction started spamming Purge. Ran half way up the stairs then was hit with the fall damage.
I doubt people are doing it on purpose, but also wouldn't be surprised if they were.
If Cody said something like that and is now banned...... Well I don't think we all need doctorates in mathmatics to come to the conclusion there.
As far as that whole Crystally thing........ That person used to be on top of the boards ALL the time, then took a short "vacation" and now look. So yeah, I doubt that person is actualy doing anything anymore due to having been caught in the past and having been punished for such.
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Suhxtob-yu✭✭✭Also, before throwing rocks in a glass house, how bout them DC freely and openly running in and out of rocks near Aleswell........ So yeah, lest we not be so quick to jump on our high horses......1
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Methuselah✭✭✭Suhxtob-yu wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
I also was hit with a 76k fall damage at Bleakers tonight. Just before running in the door, someone from my faction started spamming Purge. Ran half way up the stairs then was hit with the fall damage.
I doubt people are doing it on purpose, but also wouldn't be surprised if they were.
If Cody said something like that and is now banned...... Well I don't think we all need doctorates in mathmatics to come to the conclusion there.
As far as that whole Crystally thing........ That person used to be on top of the boards ALL the time, then took a short "vacation" and now look. So yeah, I doubt that person is actualy doing anything anymore due to having been caught in the past and having been punished for such.
Just my 2cents.
It's best to not make assumptions you know nothing about.
Just my whole dollar.1 -
Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭Agree 100% with Rylana and Princess it is a certain group of Reds that is bringing the server to its knees.0 -
WhiskeyJac✭✭✭Also i have seen some DC entering outposts without sieging or anything was that fixed ?0 -
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✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We can tell you that while it's unlikely this will be fixed with next week's maintenance, we are looking into it and will try to fix it as soon as we can. We'll let you know if the status changes, though.
Thanks. Can you also fix that when i knock someone down from a keep wall, or bridge they will die/take damage from fall damage? It is odd to see someone fall down 200 feet and walk away unhurt.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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