So I heard we were getting XP for achievements

Recremen

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Out of curiosity, where are you guys hearing that XP will be granted for achievements?

I'd seen people mentioning on a few threads here that certain achievements were giving XP, and the way they were phrased at the time made me think it was only this way on PTS, though now some people are saying that it's been a feature for a while, so I truly don't know what the state of things are.

I think the biggest takeway for me is just a matter of balancing CP gain across veteran players and newcomers. If there are achievements which give XP, it's a simple calculation to see if that XP puts them farther ahead than those who have already completed the content, and if so, by how much. Maybe it's an insignificant amount, in which case I really don't mind at the end of the day. If, on the other hand, achievements are not giving/are not intended to give XP, then my sincere apologies for continuing the rumor mill! :-)

Mantic0r3

Enodoc wrote: »

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Out of curiosity, where are you guys hearing that XP will be granted for achievements?

they allready do on live, atleast some of them

Are you guys sure the XP is coming from the achievements, and not from the same activity that awarded the achievement? If Gina doesn't know about it, it seems like it's something that doesn't (shouldn't) happen?

yes, like "kill 400 spiders" you will see a popup about 4xx xp for the spider followed by 150k or something for achievement

its on live for months allready ^^

Enodoc

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Out of curiosity, where are you guys hearing that XP will be granted for achievements?

they allready do on live, atleast some of them

Are you guys sure the XP is coming from the achievements, and not from the same activity that awarded the achievement? If Gina doesn't know about it, it seems like it's something that doesn't (shouldn't) happen?

yes, like "kill 400 spiders" you will see a popup about 4xx xp for the spider followed by 150k or something for achievement

its on live for months allready ^^

What? 150,000 XP from an achievement? That has to be a bug... the most XP you can usually get from "a thing" is 11227, and the most the system should allow in one instance is 10% of the level-up value (100,000 in this case).

Mantic0r3

for a one time achievement which requires alot of working I prefer it the way it is tbh

WhiskyBob

If this is true. I'm done.

What about players that have completed most of the raid/dungeon/veteran dungeon achievements?
I am always dedicated to one character. I hate being forced into creating alts to be effective.

Where are my points then? 70cp launch cap sends them into the void? Just as you did with Undaunted levels? Leaving me only one option - get caffeine addiction and blindly grind in one of few spots untouched by the xp nerf hammer?

Snit

actosh wrote: »

Are you guys sure the XP is coming from the achievements, and not from the same activity that awarded the achievement? If Gina doesn't know about it, it seems like it's something that doesn't (shouldn't) happen?

I don't know how this is news. When the VR system hit, one of the better (non-exploit) ways to level was to go through all three of your silver zones and do every Dolmen, World Boss, Delve and Public Dungeon. The achievement for each grants a large chunk of experience. Then, you do the Cadwell quests to move on to Gold, and repeat this process. This is on Live.

I guess you would not have noticed if you just grinded from VR1 to VR12 or 14.

It's not all achievements. And it's not applicable before Veteran Ranks.

Enodoc

WhiskyBob wrote: »

If this is true. I'm done.

What about players that have completed most of the raid/dungeon/veteran dungeon achievements?
I am always dedicated to one character. I hate being forced into creating alts to be effective.

Where are my points then? 70cp launch cap sends them into the void? Just as you did with Undaunted levels? Leaving me only one option - get caffeine addiction and blindly grind in one of few spots untouched by the xp nerf hammer?

If this is true, based on what others have been saying, you already have the XP entirely because you have already completed the achievements.

Recremen

WhiskyBob wrote: »

If this is true. I'm done.

What about players that have completed most of the raid/dungeon/veteran dungeon achievements?
I am always dedicated to one character. I hate being forced into creating alts to be effective.

Where are my points then? 70cp launch cap sends them into the void? Just as you did with Undaunted levels? Leaving me only one option - get caffeine addiction and blindly grind in one of few spots untouched by the xp nerf hammer?

Let's not be rash, now, if you take a look at the conversations it should be clear that it's both an unconfirmed-as-intended effect, and moreover not an especially high effect, the equivalent of maybe an hour of grinding or less. We shouldn't get so invested in maybes that we lose the ability to discourse sensibly.

Lhorion

@ZOS_GinaBruno Don't you really know if achievements give XP??

Snit

Enodoc wrote: »

If this is true, based on what others have been saying, you already have the XP entirely because you have already completed the achievements.

Nope. You got exp, but not CP. Or, more specifically, you did not get CP if you were already be up against the 70 CP cap.

I also got an Veteran Killer dungeon achievement last week (on Live). I saw a huge chunk of experience fly by on FTC. That exp was completely wasted. I am already at the 70 CP cap. I would have been better off had I not completed that achievement prior to 1.6 hitting Live. And that's the bad bit. These are giant chunks of EXP that are no longer available to many peoples' "mains."

Mantic0r3

Enodoc wrote: »

WhiskyBob wrote: »

If this is true. I'm done.

What about players that have completed most of the raid/dungeon/veteran dungeon achievements?
I am always dedicated to one character. I hate being forced into creating alts to be effective.

Where are my points then? 70cp launch cap sends them into the void? Just as you did with Undaunted levels? Leaving me only one option - get caffeine addiction and blindly grind in one of few spots untouched by the xp nerf hammer?

If this is true, based on what others have been saying, you already have the XP entirely because you have already completed the achievements.

not really, the really juicy (dungeon) achievements are usually reached when you are vr14 anyway

Mantic0r3

btw if you read gina's replies in another thread it seems like that they are neither aware of this nor do they actually want it, so my guess is they will rather remove the xp completly instead of thinking about the benefits of having this nice reward (maybe streamline it alittle and add a hint it on the achievements as additional reward)

Kingdinguhling

ok so the big problem with this would be that how many achievements did you get before you even hit 50?

you don't unlock the champion system till you hit 50 now I don't really see why it would be a big deal but with the current system you don't start earning champion points till you hit 50 and I doubt they are set up to do this. honestly the only way I see them being able to do this is if they just enable the champion system to lvl1s. they really don't earn that much XP anyway but I doubt they will. I believe from 1-50 is only like 2-3 VR ranks lol.

But I see this being the basic reason why they cant give people Champion points for achievements. you simply start earning achievements at lvl 1 and not champion points.

WraithAzraiel

I brought this up MONTHS ago when they were preparing for (and MURDERING) the VP to XP Conversion that ended in the Great XP Debacle of 2014.

There was a RESOUNDING silence on the issue and after winding my way through a few other threads and watching an ESO Live or 3 the answer was an enormous NO.


All that XP we gained from previous Achieveables has been wasted, if I'm not mistaken.

Exstazik

so undaunted exp-ninja nerf
achievement exp-ninja nerf
so what next?spellcrafting(mages guild line)-ninja nerf?Or resetting pvp rank?too much punishment already...mb enough?

kungmoo

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Out of curiosity, where are you guys hearing that XP will be granted for achievements?

finished the wayrest sewers vet dungeon achievement to kill the zombies just a little while ago and gained 148,600 xp

all the "kill XXX enemies" in veteran dungeons give the xp on live atm, or at least all I have done, and theres only 1 or 2 that I haven't finished yet

Ethona

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Out of curiosity, where are you guys hearing that XP will be granted for achievements?

Same place we are hearing "save your AP for 1.6" and the host of other "secrets" you thought your elite confidants would keep quiet on when you people told them in your secret cabals.

LOL, yea, those guilds that obtain special audience before ZOS. I wouldn't be so against ZOS giving special audiences so long as the interview is posted on ZOS web-site for the rest of us peons to read.

DezIsDead

a bit off topic, but does anyone else feel they should just do away with VR ranks already if their going to nerf xp gains? i really dont want to invest half my life leveling vr alts at this point.

Menelaos

If all this was true, this would be another hit in the face for those players that have already accomplished said achievements, before even the infamous "Undaunted-gate", especially since that fatal "play on beyond Vet 14, we'll save your XP for later" message.

While it may be true that people gained their 140k xp (just to throw in a number) earlier for doing an achievement, it makes a huge difference for those players who had nothing to do except grinding and who were falling for that "xp saver" argument. It would essentially mean they - trusting Zenimax' statement - wasted a huge xp pool before the release of Update 6 which will be depleted when U6 hits the fan. By wasted I mean they won't get credited with a CP conversion for the things they've done.

Mantic0r3

not going to happen because of all the stuff that comes with it

pppontus

Menelaos wrote: »

If all this was true, this would be another hit in the face for those players that have already accomplished said achievements, before even the infamous "Undaunted-gate", especially since that fatal "play on beyond Vet 14, we'll save your XP for later" message.

While it may be true that people gained their 140k xp (just to throw in a number) earlier for doing an achievement, it makes a huge difference for those players who had nothing to do except grinding and who were falling for that "xp saver" argument. It would essentially mean they - trusting Zenimax' statement - wasted a huge xp pool before the release of Update 6 which will be depleted when U6 hits the fan. By wasted I mean they won't get credited with a CP conversion for the things they've done.

Well, in that matter it's the same as anything else.. whatever you did that earned you XP past the 15mil or whatever, is not counting towards your CP.. for once, I don't really see how this is the problem. Sure, I hate that I get 70 CP having played since launch, leveled 5 characters, etc. but I don't get any more pissed off because I got some additional XP for an achievement.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Ok guys, sorry for the confusion! There are indeed some achievements that grant XP upon completion - we just got our wires crossed a little there

Merlin13KAGL

pppontus wrote: »

Menelaos wrote: »

If all this was true, this would be another hit in the face for those players that have already accomplished said achievements, before even the infamous "Undaunted-gate", especially since that fatal "play on beyond Vet 14, we'll save your XP for later" message.

While it may be true that people gained their 140k xp (just to throw in a number) earlier for doing an achievement, it makes a huge difference for those players who had nothing to do except grinding and who were falling for that "xp saver" argument. It would essentially mean they - trusting Zenimax' statement - wasted a huge xp pool before the release of Update 6 which will be depleted when U6 hits the fan. By wasted I mean they won't get credited with a CP conversion for the things they've done.

Well, in that matter it's the same as anything else.. whatever you did that earned you XP past the 15mil or whatever, is not counting towards your CP.. for once, I don't really see how this is the problem. Sure, I hate that I get 70 CP having played since launch, leveled 5 characters, etc. but I don't get any more pissed off because I got some additional XP for an achievement.

This is what it comes down to.

It's a different version of the no-back-credit 70CP / no 70CP issue.

If you're V14, the 70CP is your conversion - for achieves and anything else you earned XP with. (Up to) 70CP is your back-credit.

Anyone that got to 14 did so by doing something. In some cases, that something ceases to be repeatable (achieves) and has to be replaced with something else.

If you're not 14, you've nothing lost, as you have gotten XP's for everything that provided XP's and you will continue to get XP's (and thus CP's) by doing what you do anyway.

If you don't wish to 'lose' anything, stop playing until 1.6 rolls out. It's that simple.

It's not as if they greyed out the achieves earned while giving you nothing for them. Like bugged Undaunted rep, I've been sitting at 9.3 forvever, as it stopped advancing. Was I going to stop doing runs because of it? Heck no!

Take a breath, do what you enjoy to do, and CP's will come, one way or the other.

Garbrac

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, sorry for the confusion! There are indeed some achievements that grant XP upon completion - we just got our wires crossed a little there

Is there a specific type of achievement that rewards XP? For example, are the achievements worth 50 points the only one worth it? Only Dungeon related ones? etc etc

Rook_Master

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, sorry for the confusion! There are indeed some achievements that grant XP upon completion - we just got our wires crossed a little there

Is there any sort of logic as to which ones give XP?

Vanzen

Nothing gives xp at lvl 14. I ve tried many things for the past two days on pts. I completed some vet10 anchor and a few bosses I had left : nothing. Public group dungeon bosss or achievement : nothing. The only whooping 4373 xp I got was from soloing a public dungeon boss in Craglorn. I really dont know how vet 14 are suposed to get cp ...
I did some quest hub in last vet zone I had left. 12k xp on completion. Only thing I see for vet 14; completing hub we passed while doing caldwell.

Bashev

There were a lot of achievements that gave vet points at the time when I leveled up my main. i guess that they were converted into XP.

hazune

HOW MORE BUGGS<EXPLOID WE FIND AT 17 MARCH

ITS BIG PATCHZILLA 6

prototypefb

So what if you did achievements before?
make a new alt and redo if you like that exp so much...
there will be plenty of grinding available for exp towards CP
NEW SYSTEM, nobody owes you anything!
if you run 20k rite before marathon, that doesn't mean you get to run only half(ish) remaining distance to get credit ;P

WhiskyBob

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ok guys, sorry for the confusion! There are indeed some achievements that grant XP upon completion - we just got our wires crossed a little there

So if I have all achievements completed I am basically down in the dumpster? So every new character is in preferred position? So basically you are showing all the die-hard veterans a big middle finger?