Put the Imperial Edition and "Adventurer Pack" Benefits behind the Subscription

Gidorick · February 2015

Rezing this thread because I saw THIS

@ZOS! If you're going to SELL the Imperial Edition and Explores Pack benefits in the crown store ANYWAY, just put them behind the subscription! You'll make a LOT more money doing this!!!!

Metrobius · February 2015

No. We bought those perk in a fairly pricey package under tue impression that they are exlusive. I would be very upset if they give away the perks I paid for with a standard subscription.

Gyudan · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Monthly Subscriber Treasure Maps[/b]: Each month, Subscribers should get at least 1 map (1 in each faction would be nice) that leads players to treasures. These treasures could include special subscriber items.

Please don't do that.

Soulshine · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Rezing this thread because I saw THIS

@ZOS! If you're going to SELL the Imperial Edition and Explores Pack benefits in the crown store ANYWAY, just put them behind the subscription! You'll make a LOT more money doing this!!!!

Not really. All people would have to do is buy the sub, get the perk, cancel sub and voila! not much different. Seems they are bent making "exclusive" totally "inclusive" since it is on the CS, so at this point the ship has sailed.

Gidorick · February 2015

Gyudan wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Monthly Subscriber Treasure Maps[/b]: Each month, Subscribers should get at least 1 map (1 in each faction would be nice) that leads players to treasures. These treasures could include special subscriber items.

Please don't do that.

I actually agree. That was just to appease anyone that might say having a treasure map is meaningless because the items aren't worth it.... I just like the hunt. I don't care what the contents are.

Gidorick · February 2015

Metrobius wrote: »

No. We bought those perk in a fairly pricey package under tue impression that they are exlusive. I would be very upset if they give away the perks I paid for with a standard subscription.

They're going to sell them in the crown store. You're OK with that but not with them being part of the sub?

Gidorick · February 2015

Soulshine wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Rezing this thread because I saw THIS

@ZOS! If you're going to SELL the Imperial Edition and Explores Pack benefits in the crown store ANYWAY, just put them behind the subscription! You'll make a LOT more money doing this!!!!

Not really. All people would have to do is buy the sub, get the perk, cancel sub and voila! not much different. Seems they are bent making "exclusive" totally "inclusive" since it is on the CS, so at this point the ship has sailed.

You mean use the perk, right? I suggest the ability to create any race in any alliance be revoked if you are not subbing.

Metrobius · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Metrobius wrote: »

No. We bought those perk in a fairly pricey package under tue impression that they are exlusive. I would be very upset if they give away the perks I paid for with a standard subscription.

They're going to sell them in the crown store. You're OK with that but not with them being part of the sub?

No, I'm not ok with anyone who didnt buy the original packs getting it. The discussion is pointless since ZOS seems intent on insulting current customers any way they can. It's almost shocking. How much ill will can a company earn with their customers?

Asgari · February 2015

When I preorder this game a year ago I wouldn't have done so if I knew others could get the same things I had to pre order a year later. So much for being special.

Gidorick · February 2015

Metrobius wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Metrobius wrote: »

No. We bought those perk in a fairly pricey package under tue impression that they are exlusive. I would be very upset if they give away the perks I paid for with a standard subscription.

They're going to sell them in the crown store. You're OK with that but not with them being part of the sub?

No, I'm not ok with anyone who didnt buy the original packs getting it. The discussion is pointless since ZOS seems intent on insulting current customers any way they can. It's almost shocking. How much ill will can a company earn with their customers?

And that's really what I'm getting at. Since they're going to allow anyone to get these benefits, putting them behind a subscription would make more sense then to just flat out SELL it. That way only those of us that ACTUALLY got the explorers pack have the ability built into our account. Everyone else would have to be subscribed to create any race in any alliance, create an imperial, and buy an imperial horse.

We could have these perks without a subscription, everyone else must be subbed. AND it would make ZOS more money in the long run.

Gidorick · February 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

When I preorder this game a year ago I wouldn't have done so if I knew others could get the same things I had to pre order a year later. So much for being special.

That ship has sailed. A person who was with ESO at the beginning has absolutely NO benefit over someone just joining. Except that we got the play ESO while it was being retooled for Tamriel Unlimited.

AshySamurai · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Everyone else would have to be subscribed to create any race in any alliance, create an imperial, and buy an imperial horse.

Whut? Want to roll Imperial? Buy Imperial Edition. Want Imperial Horse? Buy Imperial Edition.

Also, there is still no proof that ZOS will sell explorers pack or ariaa in crown store. Yep, I seen screenshot, but it could be only because so it is more convenient for devs.

Metrobius · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Metrobius wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Metrobius wrote: »

No. We bought those perk in a fairly pricey package under tue impression that they are exlusive. I would be very upset if they give away the perks I paid for with a standard subscription.

They're going to sell them in the crown store. You're OK with that but not with them being part of the sub?

No, I'm not ok with anyone who didnt buy the original packs getting it. The discussion is pointless since ZOS seems intent on insulting current customers any way they can. It's almost shocking. How much ill will can a company earn with their customers?

And that's really what I'm getting at. Since they're going to allow anyone to get these benefits, putting them behind a subscription would make more sense then to just flat out SELL it. That way only those of us that ACTUALLY got the explorers pack have the ability built into our account. Everyone else would have to be subscribed to create any race in any alliance, create an imperial, and buy an imperial horse.

We could have these perks without a subscription, everyone else must be subbed. AND it would make ZOS more money in the long run.

I see your point. The fact is, I have no faith that ZOS will do anything resembling the right thing, so I give up on this discussion. At this point I spend more time reading lore discussions on the TES foruks than I do logged in to teso, just because zos has me so discouraged so finding my expensive and formerly exclusive perks in tue cash shop is the least of my worries. I wish the repopulation would server wipe and go to beta so I could play that without losing my work.

Gidorick · February 2015

@AshySamurai
Imperial edition upgrade in crown store=one time purchase
Imperial edition benefits included in sub=possible continued revenue

I'm suggesting they remove it from the crown store.

BBSooner · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Metrobius wrote: »

No. We bought those perk in a fairly pricey package under tue impression that they are exlusive. I would be very upset if they give away the perks I paid for with a standard subscription.

They're going to sell them in the crown store. You're OK with that but not with them being part of the sub?

Correct. They are being purchased instead of tied to a Subscription that already comes with benefits. If a person wants them they can spend their subscription crowns on it.

Morshire · February 2015

[SNIP] - Just removed my whole comment. I realize fighting this fact is probably pointless and most of what I said is in vain. So I will remove myself from the conversation and let ya'll have at it.

Gidorick · February 2015

ok. I still think this idea would be more beneficial for ZOS in the long run and would also preserve some of the exclusivity of the imperial edition and explorer's pack.

Pointing out obvious facts isn't an argument against. It's pointing out facts. I know they can be purchased with crowns, no matter how you get them. I'm suggesting there is a better way to handle these benefits.

Metrobius · February 2015

Morshire wrote: »

So this whole thing reeks of ZOS snubbing the existing player base for some imagined future player's benefits. I get that the "exclusive" aspect of some items makes others feel "ousted" or "excluded", but I have to wonder, beyond the monetary extra we paid goes beyond just money. Some of those items were bought pre order, meaning we not only invested prior to launch, but we invested in faith that the game would even be worth buying before hand. Others had no such faith. Others waited till the game was older, bugs ironed out, sub fee gone, etc. Pre order bonuses go way beyond just the money, right. Offering that to anyone would completely discount that part of the investment.

But you could offer those bonuses. Say break the Imperial package into pieces, and offer each piece for the 20 extra dollars that I paid above the box cost. So $20 for an Imperial, $20 for the 1G Imperial horse, etc. (Doesn't sound appealing? Well to me, neither does having something I paid extra for and having paid 3 subs for X months, just to give it to someone else for free)

The Explorer Pack - just back up. If ZOS gives that to other's, then it would border on false advertisement. They said that was exclusive. Now if they wrapped it up and called it the "F__K over our loyal fans who already bought it" package...well then at least you know what you bought.

I understand people wanting what the game has to offer, in its' entirety. But I do want to point out that until it went B2P, no one complained that some people had Explorer's Packs or the Imperial Edition. We wanted what they had, we all just bought it. So why should any of us cheapen the overall experience now that there is going to be new B2P people? Why do we need to sacrifice the benefits we have so they will want to play? Why, after all this time, do we need to be the same as the new players? Imperial / Explorer were items that got people to buy the game pre order, or for something extra. Letting other's play the game, the same game, does not hinge on having either of those items. They are extra. How do we get extra things, you pay extra. Or if you want "exclusive" things, you pay for them when they are offered. Just my opinion.

EDIT: TLDR

Sorry I just noticed that other said it was in the cash shop. So to that, I agree it should be taken out of the cash shop. Maybe behind the sub and dependent upon the sub would be better. I mean, if I have to live with the fact that it is coming, this seems the better choice. But not for those that already have it. (As has been pointed out) I think this cash shop is going to be the death of the game as we know it. People will play, cause the cash shop appeals to some. But for me...........

You nailed it. ZOS has insulted us again and again and this is just one more lie on the pile. I live in the US, where corporations are treated better in the courts than child abused foster kids, so its not an option for me, but hopefully someone in a nation with consumer protection laws takes some action.

AshySamurai · February 2015

What are taking about? "exclusivity of the imperial edition" - it wasn't exclusive even a second. ZOS said from the beginning that you can upgrade to IE in anytime you want to do it.

About long run profit - well, there are not so much profit if people start to quit the game.

Also, in your case those people who already have IE and explorers pack will throw their money if they decide to sub. Why these people should pay for benefits they already have? For now there is same benefit for all players regardless IE, explorer's pack or standart edition.

Morshire · February 2015

AshySamurai wrote: »

What are taking about? "exclusivity of the imperial edition" - it wasn't exclusive even a second. ZOS said from the beginning that you can upgrade to IE in anytime you want to do it.

About long run profit - well, there are not so much profit if people start to quit the game.

Also, in your case those people who already have IE and explorers pack will throw their money if they decide to sub. Why these people should pay for benefits they already have? For now there is same benefit for all players regardless IE, explorer's pack or standart edition.

Just to be clear, I didn't say the Imperial edition was "exclusive" - just that it was extra. And again, if you notice I removed my post. I don't want to argue. I am wrong, you are right, and I will just stop.

WraithAzraiel · February 2015

Curragraigue wrote: »

I wish that ZOS hadn't linked the play any race for any alliance to pre-orders only but they have and they have been very clear that it will be the only way that it is offered. So while I personally would not mind if they did offer this to everyone, at this stage it would probably do more harm than good if they did because the moaners would have a field day with it.

Right or wrong I think ZOS will have to stick with what they have have. The Imperial Edition at least can be bought in the crown store so any subscriber can use their allocation of crowns to buy it.

I like the idea of treasure maps being given to subscribers.

You can still get the Explorer's Pack codes, google ESO Explorer's Pack code.

Gidorick · February 2015

AshySamurai wrote: »

What are taking about? "exclusivity of the imperial edition" - it wasn't exclusive even a second. ZOS said from the beginning that you can upgrade to IE in anytime you want to do it.

About long run profit - well, there are not so much profit if people start to quit the game.

Also, in your case those people who already have IE and explorers pack will throw their money if they decide to sub. Why these people should pay for benefits they already have? For now there is same benefit for all players regardless IE, explorer's pack or standart edition.

It's more about getting new subs... and it won't be taking benefits away from you in any way... you'll still get the other benefitsof the sub. I don't get why you would have an issue with it being an ADDITIONAL sub perk. Especially since the perk can be outright bought.

Oh and the exclusivity applies more to explorers pack. I'll give you that. If anything adding these benefits to thesub would make the Imperial Edition and Explorers Pack MORE exclusive.

redwoodtreesprite2 · February 2015

No. This would make characters locked as soon as someone went off the sub. Besides, it will be cheap enough to buy the Imperial upgrade with crown points.

Gidorick · February 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

I wish that ZOS hadn't linked the play any race for any alliance to pre-orders only but they have and they have been very clear that it will be the only way that it is offered. So while I personally would not mind if they did offer this to everyone, at this stage it would probably do more harm than good if they did because the moaners would have a field day with it.

Right or wrong I think ZOS will have to stick with what they have have. The Imperial Edition at least can be bought in the crown store so any subscriber can use their allocation of crowns to buy it.

I like the idea of treasure maps being given to subscribers.

You can still get the Explorer's Pack codes, google ESO Explorer's Pack code.

They need to deactivate all those. ...

BBSooner · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

What are taking about? "exclusivity of the imperial edition" - it wasn't exclusive even a second. ZOS said from the beginning that you can upgrade to IE in anytime you want to do it.

About long run profit - well, there are not so much profit if people start to quit the game.

Also, in your case those people who already have IE and explorers pack will throw their money if they decide to sub. Why these people should pay for benefits they already have? For now there is same benefit for all players regardless IE, explorer's pack or standart edition.

It's more about getting new subs... and it won't be taking benefits away from you in any way... you'll still get the other benefitsof the sub. I don't get why you would have an issue with it being an ADDITIONAL sub perk. Especially since the perk can be outright bought.

Oh and the exclusivity applies more to explorers pack. I'll give you that. If anything adding these benefits to thesub would make the Imperial Edition and Explorers Pack MORE exclusive.

I disagree that IE/EP rewards would generate subs. They are nice but too cosmetic/tertiary compared to actual content. If people aren't willing to purchase them now I doubt they're willing to rent them for a comparable price. At least keeping them in the store ZOS gives people who are subbing something to burn their crowns on (and entice the purchase of more if there is other desirable stuff) or they can get a purchase from a non-subber.

AshySamurai · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

What are taking about? "exclusivity of the imperial edition" - it wasn't exclusive even a second. ZOS said from the beginning that you can upgrade to IE in anytime you want to do it.

About long run profit - well, there are not so much profit if people start to quit the game.

Also, in your case those people who already have IE and explorers pack will throw their money if they decide to sub. Why these people should pay for benefits they already have? For now there is same benefit for all players regardless IE, explorer's pack or standart edition.

It's more about getting new subs... and it won't be taking benefits away from you in any way... you'll still get the other benefitsof the sub. I don't get why you would have an issue with it being an ADDITIONAL sub perk. Especially since the perk can be outright bought.

Oh and the exclusivity applies more to explorers pack. I'll give you that. If anything adding these benefits to thesub would make the Imperial Edition and Explorers Pack MORE exclusive.

Less profit for the same money. You're making pre-order and IE are just wasted money. Will you pay the same amount for less benefit?

AshySamurai · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

I wish that ZOS hadn't linked the play any race for any alliance to pre-orders only but they have and they have been very clear that it will be the only way that it is offered. So while I personally would not mind if they did offer this to everyone, at this stage it would probably do more harm than good if they did because the moaners would have a field day with it.

Right or wrong I think ZOS will have to stick with what they have have. The Imperial Edition at least can be bought in the crown store so any subscriber can use their allocation of crowns to buy it.

I like the idea of treasure maps being given to subscribers.

You can still get the Explorer's Pack codes, google ESO Explorer's Pack code.

They need to deactivate all those. ...

And all beta monkey pet. Here I agree with you.

Gidorick · February 2015

redwoodtreesprite2 wrote: »

No. This would make characters locked as soon as someone went off the sub. Besides, it will be cheap enough to buy the Imperial upgrade with crown points.

I clearly suggest this should be the ability to create new characters. They could lock the ability to create without locking the ability to play the characters you've already made.

Gidorick · February 2015

AshySamurai wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

What are taking about? "exclusivity of the imperial edition" - it wasn't exclusive even a second. ZOS said from the beginning that you can upgrade to IE in anytime you want to do it.

About long run profit - well, there are not so much profit if people start to quit the game.

Also, in your case those people who already have IE and explorers pack will throw their money if they decide to sub. Why these people should pay for benefits they already have? For now there is same benefit for all players regardless IE, explorer's pack or standart edition.

It's more about getting new subs... and it won't be taking benefits away from you in any way... you'll still get the other benefitsof the sub. I don't get why you would have an issue with it being an ADDITIONAL sub perk. Especially since the perk can be outright bought.

Oh and the exclusivity applies more to explorers pack. I'll give you that. If anything adding these benefits to thesub would make the Imperial Edition and Explorers Pack MORE exclusive.

Less profit for the same money. You're making pre-order and IE are just wasted money. Will you pay the same amount for less benefit?

not at all. Players that have imperial edition and explorers pack have other benefits Not included in this suggestion, especially the physical imperial edition. They won't NEED the subscription to use the benefits... I feel like I've been very clear about this.

Gidorick · February 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

What are taking about? "exclusivity of the imperial edition" - it wasn't exclusive even a second. ZOS said from the beginning that you can upgrade to IE in anytime you want to do it.

About long run profit - well, there are not so much profit if people start to quit the game.

Also, in your case those people who already have IE and explorers pack will throw their money if they decide to sub. Why these people should pay for benefits they already have? For now there is same benefit for all players regardless IE, explorer's pack or standart edition.

It's more about getting new subs... and it won't be taking benefits away from you in any way... you'll still get the other benefitsof the sub. I don't get why you would have an issue with it being an ADDITIONAL sub perk. Especially since the perk can be outright bought.

Oh and the exclusivity applies more to explorers pack. I'll give you that. If anything adding these benefits to thesub would make the Imperial Edition and Explorers Pack MORE exclusive.

I disagree that IE/EP rewards would generate subs. They are nice but too cosmetic/tertiary compared to actual content. If people aren't willing to purchase them now I doubt they're willing to rent them for a comparable price. At least keeping them in the store ZOS gives people who are subbing something to burn their crowns on (and entice the purchase of more if there is other desirable stuff) or they can get a purchase from a non-subber.

Fair enough. I disagree... but your opinion is valid.