"Subscribers Only Tavern"

IrishGirlGamer

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

*** Fact is people dont need to "feel better about themselves". Its just a fun idea. Typical of the forum drama angst of course you have the people who bash everyone and anything. Everything is doom and gloom for you lol.

No, James, it's not not really a fun idea, is it? I mean, it's not really elitism, either, unless that's how you roll ... and really, subscribing gives you nothing to be elite about.

It's just .... (God, I hate this word but it fits so well ... ) lame. It's lame as in limp and uninspired and the only use to which I would ever put this lounge is ... well, see my reference two posts above.

I subscribe for $15.00 per month. Please, Zeni, give me something useful, like content areas to play or some free stuff for my hard earned dollars. Not a too-dark tavern room that hauntingly reminds me of the airline VIP bars in airports filled with lonely men who drink too much. If you don't, Zeni, then I'll just unsub ... and play for free. Problem solved.

Oh, and no more pets. No, nope, nopers.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

I would love for there to be absolutely zero division of the player-base, dividing the whole pve player-base into 3 is bad enough, we do not need to divide it any more.

technohic

Meh. After thinking about it they can have it if they want. Not sure what they want to do with it. I'm betting it won't be enough. It never will be enough, just like bonus XP and Gold and crafting bonus and free crowns and access to any new DLC at no extra charge isn't enough.

It can be an entertaining place to go look at people who will constantly say subs are not rewarding enough while they religiously pay for it. They would be great people to get to know for someone's next pyramid scheme.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Can't believe people are tripping over simply the idea of a perk like this for VIPs. All I can say is grow up or pay the sub so you can also access the VIP area. Which is for VIPs.

I will be paying the sub (at least that's currently the plan). If there is such a "VIP" tavern, you can bet I won't be using it.

Nobody who is "tripping over the idea" is doing so because they are upset that they might be left out of a VIP area.

Fine then dont use it. Why bash it tho?

I'm not bashing it. I want it, so that the people who need to be in exclusive clubs in order to feel better about themselves can go there to socialize. That way they stay away from me.

lol your not bashing it just bashing anyone who thinks its a good idea. I gotcha. Fact is people dont need to "feel better about themselves". Its just a fun idea. Typical of the forum drama angst of course you have the people who bash everyone and anything. Everything is doom and gloom for you lol.

In my experience people who feel the need to be in exclusive clubs where the purpose of the club is exclusivity are people who I don't like. Why is it a problem that I'm happy for them to have their exclusive clubs and stay away from me? It keeps them happy, and it keeps me happy. How is keeping them happy and keeping me happy doom and gloom? It's the opposite!

You sound like youve been excluded from things in the past and are bitter about it. Just a fun idea for subscribers but ya since you were excluded from something at some point then its a bad idea.

Aidantwab16_ESO

Possibly the reason for this suggestion was so that RPers can RP in relative peace, I don't know just throwing that out there.

It's definitely good and healthy to assume everyone is elitist and not just trying to avoid F2P stigmas though.

technohic

Aidantwab16_ESO wrote: »

Possibly the reason for this suggestion was so that RPers can RP in relative peace, I don't know just throwing that out there.

It's definitely good and healthy to assume everyone is elitist and not just trying to avoid F2P stigmas though.

So, the group of players that often complains about the lack of others who want to participate, want an area to do that which limits a large portion of people who may also want to role play?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

technohic wrote: »

Aidantwab16_ESO wrote: »

Possibly the reason for this suggestion was so that RPers can RP in relative peace, I don't know just throwing that out there.

It's definitely good and healthy to assume everyone is elitist and not just trying to avoid F2P stigmas though.

So, the group of players that often complains about the lack of others who want to participate, want an area to do that which limits a large portion of people who may also want to role play?

Whats stopping you? Pay the monthly fee and you can RP there if you want.

Gidorick

I see a lot of the people that would like a Sub-only lounge is wanting it so they don't have to communicate with the "unwashed masses". I think this IS a very destructive way to think, but the people that think like this will think and act in this way no matter if they have a VIP area or not. They are the same people that refuse to allow certain builds to join them because they don't want to "carry" them. They are the same people to judge others on their VR rank... or whatever armor they have on. These individuals have a need to feel better than others... and that need will find an outlet no matter what ZOS does or doesn't provide.

In THIS way... I'm against the Sub-only lounge. I am, however, for the idea as a value-adding concept.

There seems to be many that segregate the upcoming TU players into two groups:

• Subscribing Players
• Cash-Shop Players

I personally think it's best way to view the upcoming TU player base as:

• Subscribers
• Potential Subscribers

After all, just because a player subscribes doesn't mean they WON'T be buying items from the Crown Store. I think it's reasonable to assume that many Subscribers will actually end up spending as much or more than Potential Subscribers because they will have Crowns to spend that they get for "free" with their subscription. Because of this, they will be IN the crown store regularly. Potential Subscribers won't have that "Crowns to spend" draw to the cash shop that Subscribers will.

Additionally, Subscribers provide ZOS with a (somewhat) steady stream of revenue. If there are 200,000 subscribers, ZOS knows they will get about 3 million a month, no matter if they update the Crown Store or not. Without those subscribers ZOS relies solely on the cash shop and must release content in the Crown Store frequently enough to attempt to generate revenue as regularly as a subscription.

It's no secret that modern MMOs benefit from a cash shop more than they do a subscription model, but many of these models INLCUDE subscriptions.

I'll let John Smeldy (of DCUO) explain this:
"We don't rely heavily on whales. I wish we could, but we don't. The reason we don't is that a large part of our business is still subscription-based. The way we see the world is that we want it to be 'free-to-play your way.' If you want to spend just a little bit of money, you can, and people who want to chase really expensive stuff can do that as well. But you don't need any of it for gameplay. Having a heavy subscriber base means that we don't have to rely on whales."
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/john-smedley-interview

This is where adding value to subscriptions becomes important. The less ZOS relies on subscriptions, the more they have to try to squeeze out of the cash shop. If the cash shop becomes strapped and that stops producing money, and they don't have a heavy subscription base, then we will start to see things like awesome Crown Store specific gear, stat boosts, lootboxes,... all the things we don't want to see. So it would behoove ZOS, ESO players, and ESO itself for there to be as many subscribers as possible.

But how does ZOS entice players into subscribing? After all, they've paid for the game, shouldn't they just be able to play as much as they want now? Sure... but subscribing would be better!

If ZOS wants to keep and even increase subscription numbers, they need to add perceived value to the subscriptions. These are features that don't give players an overt advantage in game over Potential Subscribers, but there is a perceived advantage or at least perceivable reasons a player would want to be a subscriber.

Additions such as in-game subscriber lounges, special titles, additional character slots, Priority queuing, Access to a subscriber-exclusive area of the Crown Store with timed exclusive items, Monthly Subscriber Treasure Map, and more (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions) add to the VALUE of a subscription without adding to the effectiveness of a Subscribers character in-game. Subscribers shouldn't have an overt advantage over Potential Subscribers while in game (I personally disagree with the 10% XP/Research/Inspiration/Gold gain Subscribers will get). This is when we start get into the un-fair pay-to-win dynamics.

Also, currently, subscriber benefits can ONLY be "seen" by the subscriber themselves. They are statistical advantages, not cosmetic or social. It is going to be VERY easy for Potential Subscribers to completely ignore that there is a subscription at all.

I know many people disagree with me on these points and my question is this: How do you suggest ZOS add enough content to the Cash Shop to build the kind of revenue they need to keep ESO viable without adding Pay-to-Win items?

I, for one, will only be buying so many mounts and so many 'amusing' costumes.

Knootewoot

Valn wrote: »

I'd love there to be a tavern or some sort of training courtyard where only subscribers can enter..sort of like a VIP area that has banks, crafting stations, vendors etc.. it would just be a place that's more convenient to go to for subs.

There could be one in each faction area, it would be a great place to find players to adventure with, to find new guild members and such.

Although i already read people don't like the idea, i can say i do like it. Sort of like the VIP area on the fleet in SWTOR. You could get there if you had the VIP-band from the CE. Although you could also buy it for 1 million cr.

But a tavern for subs only is a good idea. Why? Because it doesn't add something uber powerfull. It is just a place to hang out. Non-subs will wonder what is going on in there. Only one way to find out... sub.

Islyn

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Look I get that you think you are supposed to get "better treatment" than a player who does not sub. I do not agree.

Whatever benefits you get as a subscriber, they are already are "extra" from someone who will choose not to subscribe come the transition. That you don't think those benefits are not enough is clearly your issue.

So you don't think that someone who is subscribing to a game should get extra benefits compared to a freebie. Okay lmao

And if you think it's just my issue, that's your personal opinion.

It is a fact that you have the BUY the game to play it. You cannot download the game without doing so.

It is a fact that you have to either subscribe to the game (PAY) to get continued access to new content or else buy it via DLC purchase (PAY)

There is nothing "freebie" about it.

Well we can just agree to disagree. The point here isn't about DLC, it's about benefits.

The "benefits" among other things include having access to all current content and future content --- which will be DLCs, so yes DLCs are relevant --- as long as you keep your sub.

Asking for separate content areas is the "extra" you seem to think you should have for choosing how and when you are going to pay to play the game.

I do not agree that is a constructive suggestion for the game. So yes, happy to disagree.

Well I think my suggestion is an excellent suggestion that would be convenient and it would be an extra little benefit for subscribers.

I am not elitist and yet I understand you. I want to hang around with people who understand what all we went through since beta - how we had our gear/classes/xp constantly messed with abd paid for the privelege- rather than a bunch of people who have no idea what it took to get here and who can now just buy whatever but *not have to* put up with the bad side of it. So yeah.

TheShadowScout

Saying it again, in the games I played that had such "elite only" areas, they were almost universally empty. If that's the trend, it doesn't seem worth spending server resources on...

The only thing I can think of that -would- seem viable might be including player housing at some point, but reserving the "better" options for subcribers...

Let everone be able to rent a dingy one-room apartment above some sleazy inn, but allow subscribers to purchase a two-room house instead, that sort of thing. Or possibly reserving ALL player housing to subscribers, leaving the poor other players to find a lean-to somewhere to take their naps or something...

Kragorn

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

It was already discussed. IMO very bad idea to make someone more special.

People that pay the sub fee and support the company should get better treatment then people who don't. If a player is a sub that typically means they are more serious about the game. People who play free should not have the same priority as people who do.

Okay, let's look at this bit of elitism.

Let's assume the game has gone B2P due to a massive loss of subscribers and the bean counters decided something needed doing: if this assumption is wrong we'll never know, but Firor's asinine "we did it due to feedback" comment clearly can be discounted.

So, if the game will survive it needs an influx of players and B2P is the way Zenimax Media see it happening: I'm sure this decision was forced on ZOS by their overlords at Zenimax Media.

What you're asking for is a segregation of the 'elite' subscribers and the 'others', aka. the 'party' and the 'proles', yet in this context without the 'proles' the 'party' won't survive as the entire society will simply cease to exist as it becomes financially unsustainable.

So yeah, have fun pissing on those whose presence may well be the only reason you have a game in wihch you can feel superior simply because you pay a few $ .. seems to me we can have in addition the P2W acronym P2FS, pay-to-feel-superior.

SanderBuraas

Why is this even a dicussion? Why would you strive for further segregation between players?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Smepic wrote: »

Why is this even a dicussion? Why would you strive for further segregation between players?

Because it would be a fun thing for people who not only buy the box but pay the sub. Also an incentive for those who wont pay the sub.

SanderBuraas

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

Why is this even a dicussion? Why would you strive for further segregation between players?

Because it would be a fun thing for people who not only buy the box but pay the sub. Also an incentive for those who wont pay the sub.

Segregration is not fun for anyone. Those who pay for subscription already do get benefits, including boosts to experience gains, access to all future dlcs during the subscription, crowns to spend every month and more.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Smepic wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

Why is this even a dicussion? Why would you strive for further segregation between players?

Because it would be a fun thing for people who not only buy the box but pay the sub. Also an incentive for those who wont pay the sub.

Segregration is not fun for anyone. Those who pay for subscription already do get benefits, including boosts to experience gains, access to all future dlcs during the subscription, crowns to spend every month and more.

Oh please segregation is forced. This is not forced. It was just a simple idea for a fun place for vips to hang out. You guys act like its 1950s america or something. Hyperbole...

Troneon

I would like to see a subscribers only forum on the website. They do the same with Star Citizen and it works great for feedback etc.

starkerealm

Valn wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

It was already discussed. IMO very bad idea to make someone more special.

Why is it bad?

From what I've seen of these in other games, they're almost always empty except when you're specifically there to meet someone.

Valn

Kragorn wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

It was already discussed. IMO very bad idea to make someone more special.

People that pay the sub fee and support the company should get better treatment then people who don't. If a player is a sub that typically means they are more serious about the game. People who play free should not have the same priority as people who do.

Okay, let's look at this bit of elitism.

Let's assume the game has gone B2P due to a massive loss of subscribers and the bean counters decided something needed doing: if this assumption is wrong we'll never know, but Firor's asinine "we did it due to feedback" comment clearly can be discounted.

So, if the game will survive it needs an influx of players and B2P is the way Zenimax Media see it happening: I'm sure this decision was forced on ZOS by their overlords at Zenimax Media.

What you're asking for is a segregation of the 'elite' subscribers and the 'others', aka. the 'party' and the 'proles', yet in this context without the 'proles' the 'party' won't survive as the entire society will simply cease to exist as it becomes financially unsustainable.

So yeah, have fun pissing on those whose presence may well be the only reason you have a game in wihch you can feel superior simply because you pay a few $ .. seems to me we can have in addition the P2W acronym P2FS, pay-to-feel-superior.

Goodness me.

Who'd have thought, a simple suggestion for a place for subscribers to hang out and do some crafting would turn into a huge "segregation" debate and about how it would kill the game. Clearly a place that would give a little bit of extra convenience would annoy 90% the player base.

Valn

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

I would love for there to be absolutely zero division of the player-base, dividing the whole pve player-base into 3 is bad enough, we do not need to divide it any more.

Again, a simple tavern or training courtyard for subs only is enough to "divide the whole pve player base"???????????

Valn

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Don't feel bad, I'm an unemployed veteran AND a student. If people got beef, I got yer back homie.

You're a world war 2 veteran AND a student? That's awesome lol....never too old to learn new things eh

renton1x1x1

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

Taverns are overrated since ZOS will be nerfing Mead in 1.6.

Hmmmmm i already started to make black market deals with the highly elicit moon sugar and skomma.

To op: a key to the executive wash room sounds a bit meh. On the the other you could meet in a dlc area.

Rosveen

Valn wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Don't feel bad, I'm an unemployed veteran AND a student. If people got beef, I got yer back homie.

You're a world war 2 veteran AND a student? That's awesome lol....never too old to learn new things eh

I doubt that's the war he was talking about. :P

Valn

Rosveen wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Don't feel bad, I'm an unemployed veteran AND a student. If people got beef, I got yer back homie.

You're a world war 2 veteran AND a student? That's awesome lol....never too old to learn new things eh

I doubt that's the war he was talking about. :P

Wait....world war one?!??!? oh my goodness

technohic

Islyn wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Look I get that you think you are supposed to get "better treatment" than a player who does not sub. I do not agree.

Whatever benefits you get as a subscriber, they are already are "extra" from someone who will choose not to subscribe come the transition. That you don't think those benefits are not enough is clearly your issue.

So you don't think that someone who is subscribing to a game should get extra benefits compared to a freebie. Okay lmao

And if you think it's just my issue, that's your personal opinion.

It is a fact that you have the BUY the game to play it. You cannot download the game without doing so.

It is a fact that you have to either subscribe to the game (PAY) to get continued access to new content or else buy it via DLC purchase (PAY)

There is nothing "freebie" about it.

Well we can just agree to disagree. The point here isn't about DLC, it's about benefits.

The "benefits" among other things include having access to all current content and future content --- which will be DLCs, so yes DLCs are relevant --- as long as you keep your sub.

Asking for separate content areas is the "extra" you seem to think you should have for choosing how and when you are going to pay to play the game.

I do not agree that is a constructive suggestion for the game. So yes, happy to disagree.

Well I think my suggestion is an excellent suggestion that would be convenient and it would be an extra little benefit for subscribers.

I am not elitist and yet I understand you. I want to hang around with people who understand what all we went through since beta - how we had our gear/classes/xp constantly messed with abd paid for the privelege- rather than a bunch of people who have no idea what it took to get here and who can now just buy whatever but *not have to* put up with the bad side of it. So yeah.

"I am not elitist and yet I understand you. I want to hang around with people who understand what all we went through since beta - how we had our gear/classes/xp constantly messed with abd paid for the privelege-"

Who do you think your talking to in the forums today, chief? So are you saying after feeling like you put up with this, you want a club to hang out with others who feel that way yet are still paying for it? It's like an entitlement club.

SanderBuraas

technohic wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Look I get that you think you are supposed to get "better treatment" than a player who does not sub. I do not agree.

Whatever benefits you get as a subscriber, they are already are "extra" from someone who will choose not to subscribe come the transition. That you don't think those benefits are not enough is clearly your issue.

So you don't think that someone who is subscribing to a game should get extra benefits compared to a freebie. Okay lmao

And if you think it's just my issue, that's your personal opinion.

It is a fact that you have the BUY the game to play it. You cannot download the game without doing so.

It is a fact that you have to either subscribe to the game (PAY) to get continued access to new content or else buy it via DLC purchase (PAY)

There is nothing "freebie" about it.

Well we can just agree to disagree. The point here isn't about DLC, it's about benefits.

The "benefits" among other things include having access to all current content and future content --- which will be DLCs, so yes DLCs are relevant --- as long as you keep your sub.

Asking for separate content areas is the "extra" you seem to think you should have for choosing how and when you are going to pay to play the game.

I do not agree that is a constructive suggestion for the game. So yes, happy to disagree.

Well I think my suggestion is an excellent suggestion that would be convenient and it would be an extra little benefit for subscribers.

I am not elitist and yet I understand you. I want to hang around with people who understand what all we went through since beta - how we had our gear/classes/xp constantly messed with abd paid for the privelege- rather than a bunch of people who have no idea what it took to get here and who can now just buy whatever but *not have to* put up with the bad side of it. So yeah.

"I am not elitist and yet I understand you. I want to hang around with people who understand what all we went through since beta - how we had our gear/classes/xp constantly messed with abd paid for the privelege-"

Who do you think your talking to in the forums today, chief? So are you saying after feeling like you put up with this, you want a club to hang out with others who feel that way yet are still paying for it? It's like an entitlement club.

Agreed. People need to stop feeling sorry for themselves.

Slurg

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Can't believe people are tripping over simply the idea of a perk like this for VIPs. All I can say is grow up or pay the sub so you can also access the VIP area. Which is for VIPs.

I will be paying the sub (at least that's currently the plan). If there is such a "VIP" tavern, you can bet I won't be using it.

Nobody who is "tripping over the idea" is doing so because they are upset that they might be left out of a VIP area.

Fine then dont use it. Why bash it tho?

I'm not bashing it. I want it, so that the people who need to be in exclusive clubs in order to feel better about themselves can go there to socialize. That way they stay away from me.

lol your not bashing it just bashing anyone who thinks its a good idea. I gotcha. Fact is people dont need to "feel better about themselves". Its just a fun idea. Typical of the forum drama angst of course you have the people who bash everyone and anything. Everything is doom and gloom for you lol.

In my experience people who feel the need to be in exclusive clubs where the purpose of the club is exclusivity are people who I don't like. Why is it a problem that I'm happy for them to have their exclusive clubs and stay away from me? It keeps them happy, and it keeps me happy. How is keeping them happy and keeping me happy doom and gloom? It's the opposite!

You sound like youve been excluded from things in the past and are bitter about it. Just a fun idea for subscribers but ya since you were excluded from something at some point then its a bad idea.

I don't know about others, but it's my experience from being included in "exclusive" groups and being bored half to death with all the shallow status seeking behavior that makes me want to self-select out of those types of things. One of the reasons I play this game is to get away from all that foolishness!

But just like in real life, these types of people really truly don't understand why anyone who has the money to spend on membership fees would not want to pay to be in their "in group". They assume it must be a personal flaw but most certainly not their own. It's a false sense of superiority.

That's why I'm happy for these people to have their own space somewhere I don't have to go, as long as it doesn't take up a lot of developer time of course.

Thavie

There are so many much more better ways to actually BE special, then kinda vip-tavern.

technohic

Slurg wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Can't believe people are tripping over simply the idea of a perk like this for VIPs. All I can say is grow up or pay the sub so you can also access the VIP area. Which is for VIPs.

I will be paying the sub (at least that's currently the plan). If there is such a "VIP" tavern, you can bet I won't be using it.

Nobody who is "tripping over the idea" is doing so because they are upset that they might be left out of a VIP area.

Fine then dont use it. Why bash it tho?

I'm not bashing it. I want it, so that the people who need to be in exclusive clubs in order to feel better about themselves can go there to socialize. That way they stay away from me.

lol your not bashing it just bashing anyone who thinks its a good idea. I gotcha. Fact is people dont need to "feel better about themselves". Its just a fun idea. Typical of the forum drama angst of course you have the people who bash everyone and anything. Everything is doom and gloom for you lol.

In my experience people who feel the need to be in exclusive clubs where the purpose of the club is exclusivity are people who I don't like. Why is it a problem that I'm happy for them to have their exclusive clubs and stay away from me? It keeps them happy, and it keeps me happy. How is keeping them happy and keeping me happy doom and gloom? It's the opposite!

You sound like youve been excluded from things in the past and are bitter about it. Just a fun idea for subscribers but ya since you were excluded from something at some point then its a bad idea.

I don't know about others, but it's my experience from being included in "exclusive" groups and being bored half to death with all the shallow status seeking behavior that makes me want to self-select out of those types of things. One of the reasons I play this game is to get away from all that foolishness!

But just like in real life, these types of people really truly don't understand why anyone who has the money to spend on membership fees would not want to pay to be in their "in group". They assume it must be a personal flaw but most certainly not their own. It's a false sense of superiority.

That's why I'm happy for these people to have their own space somewhere I don't have to go, as long as it doesn't take up a lot of developer time of course.

I definitely agree with letting them have their place if it doesn't hog up developer time. I just don't get the logic. Is it really going to be that great to where you think even most people who subscribe would even bother? Even if minimal, it would still be dev time, so people who feel like they need to get their money's worth in a sub; when DLC doesn't come for what sounds like at least another 6 months, will this tavern make you feel like the $90 you just spent for that 6 months is worth it?

I would totally sub if I felt it was worth while, but this tavern idea certainly doesn't help me at all. Looking at how long it will be for any meaningful content, I am sorry for you if you feel you still need to support ZOS over that time for little to come out of it. I truly am.

starkerealm

Valn wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Don't feel bad, I'm an unemployed veteran AND a student. If people got beef, I got yer back homie.

You're a world war 2 veteran AND a student? That's awesome lol....never too old to learn new things eh

I doubt that's the war he was talking about. :P

Wait....world war one?!??!? oh my goodness

You can't remember the forgotten war!? With Australia!