What sort of -ism chased away Tacos?

HeroOfEvbof

The crazy thing is the word Taco is etymologically descended from Latin - a language whose equivalency is easily recognizable in Elder Scrolls.
Jerky and Chili are both descended from New World languages (Quecha and Nahuatl respectively), Sake from an Asian language and Goulash from a Far Eastern European language (Magyar language has its roots in the steppes out by the Urals).

Grunim

Nestor wrote: »

Pasties make more sense. Its made to be a portable food. It is a filling encased in dough that you can put in your pocket or backpack. You can't carry a taco into combat, all the filling would fall out. Tacos are meant to be eaten now, pasties are meant to be eaten when your hungry, which can be now or later.

Seeing the plural of pasty makes me think I need to bring up regional differences among players and how food names that are innocuous in one part of the world are lewd in another. Where I come from, pasty usually is used to describe someone with a very pale complexion and the plural, pasties is what you will never see me wearing as I walk down the street because that's what exotic dancers wear.

They have so many recipes to name, it seems like their choice is to have seriously boring names that passes the cultural filter test in the native language of every ESO player or they have some names that some of us will laugh at or say this is lore breaking.

Recremen

Nestor wrote: »

Pasties make more sense. Its made to be a portable food. It is a filling encased in dough that you can put in your pocket or backpack. You can't carry a taco into combat, all the filling would fall out. Tacos are meant to be eaten now, pasties are meant to be eaten when your hungry, which can be now or later.

Sweety that's what a wrapper is for. XD Some of those recipes aren't exactly portable unless you have tupperware, but taco is the biggest problem? ;-)

Rosveen

Recremen wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Pasties make more sense. Its made to be a portable food. It is a filling encased in dough that you can put in your pocket or backpack. You can't carry a taco into combat, all the filling would fall out. Tacos are meant to be eaten now, pasties are meant to be eaten when your hungry, which can be now or later.

Sweety that's what a wrapper is for. XD Some of those recipes aren't exactly portable unless you have tupperware, but taco is the biggest problem? ;-)

Indeed. We carry around all sorts of soups, an assortment of pies and a stuffed piglet, but tacos are a problem?

I have just found something interesting on the recipe list. Grape-Glazed Bantam Guar is made from poultry. Guar? Poultry? That's new.

Recremen

Rosveen wrote: »

Sweety that's what a wrapper is for. XD Some of those recipes aren't exactly portable unless you have tupperware, but taco is the biggest problem? ;-)

Indeed. We carry around all sorts of soups, an assortment of pies and a stuffed piglet, but tacos are a problem?

I have just found something interesting on the recipe list. Grape-Glazed Bantam Guar is made from poultry. Guar? Poultry? That's new.[/quote]

Ha ha! Good find! After some investigation, though, I came upon info to help shed light on the situation:

"Bantam Guar, despite their name, classify as a part of the scuttler family and are not guar at all. Many have described them as "ugly chickens," as they have a distinctive body shape and behavior that remind many of the common bird. They retain the vestigial wings, and unlike their cliff racer and cliff darter cousins, they cannot fly. Southern Morrowind farmers raise them for their eggs and meat."

So it seems they're not actually related to guar, but instead to cliff racers, which are kinda lizard birds? So yeaaaaah, definitely poultry! Honest! *shifty glances*

Rosveen

Cliff darter? CLIFF DARTER? There are more of those *** birds? Morrowind is so wonderful, but so very, very nightmarish too...

Recremen

I imagine the cliff darter is a smaller beast, even MORE prone to flocking. I'm just glad those birds in Craglorn aren't hostile. You seen the jagged razor beaks on them?

Berinima

Mix

I wanted coffee replaced with canis root drinks. If Canis Root Tea was equivalent to coffee, Master Neloth being grumpy about no one making it properly makes so much more sense, look how picky some people are about their coffees! (I've never really heard anyone complain much about tea, then again most tea-drinkers I know make their own, sometimes from rather special loose tea mixes)

Somewhere lost in this ptr forum I posted a list of terms in the new foods asking if anyone else thought they were lore-breaking. I think the new food/drink names are quite fun, but fun doesn't necessarily mean lore-friendly. I guess I learned some new words because of the new names because I had no idea what that was...Last I checked there was only one reply and it wasn't saying anything about lore, but rather that the new prov system sounded awesome if these words were in the food/drink names.

For whoever said Sake was still in game, the patch note mentioned only drinks of Dunmeri or Velothi origin were having the name changed from Sake to Mazte.

We should start a petition for Canis Root Tea though...

glak

baratron wrote: »

At least "taco" might be acceptable as an Argonian food considering that Black Marsh seems to be based on ancient Central American cultures.

Argonian making tacos from marsh fish? Maybe it could work as just bar food.

curlyqloub14_ESO

I'd agree with what this guy said about the mainly european association we have with fantasy settings...

agabahmeatshieldb14_ESO wrote: »

The high fantasy setting seems to be inseparable in most people's minds from Europe and European themes, and tacos are something that most Americans associate with, well, the Americas--South, Central, or the modern-day U.S. I'd guess that's what most people found discordant about tacos in Tamriel.

But I'd also add that there is a time-period element. ESO is quite obviously set in the past - in a time period before electricity, automobiles, and the telephone. Tacos, on the other hand, are a relatively modern food. The ingredients to make them have been around for centuries, but a much more common and traditional preparation of these ingredients in latin countries would have beans and rice (and sometimes meat) all separate on a plate, with the tortillas served on the side. You'll find this basic food staple in just about any Caribbean, Central, or South American country to this day. The "taco" as we know it (with the tortilla wrapped around the ingredients) has really only come to popularity in the last couple centuries... and made more prevalent by American "Tex-Mex" which is also relatively modern.

Bottom line: tacos just don't fit with the time period in which ESO is set - no more than something like Hot Pockets or Pop Tarts would fit.

Rosveen

curlyqloub14_ESO wrote: »

I'd agree with what this guy said about the mainly european association we have with fantasy settings...

agabahmeatshieldb14_ESO wrote: »

The high fantasy setting seems to be inseparable in most people's minds from Europe and European themes, and tacos are something that most Americans associate with, well, the Americas--South, Central, or the modern-day U.S. I'd guess that's what most people found discordant about tacos in Tamriel.

But I'd also add that there is a time-period element. ESO is quite obviously set in the past - in a time period before electricity, automobiles, and the telephone.

Nope. Well, superficially yes, but not exactly. It's also set in a time with airships, spaceships, robots and some rather progressive social concepts. It isn't directly associated with any period in our world's history. But I still see your point.

Recremen

curlyqloub14_ESO wrote: »

I'd agree with what this guy said about the mainly european association we have with fantasy settings...

agabahmeatshieldb14_ESO wrote: »

The high fantasy setting seems to be inseparable in most people's minds from Europe and European themes, and tacos are something that most Americans associate with, well, the Americas--South, Central, or the modern-day U.S. I'd guess that's what most people found discordant about tacos in Tamriel.

But I'd also add that there is a time-period element. ESO is quite obviously set in the past - in a time period before electricity, automobiles, and the telephone. Tacos, on the other hand, are a relatively modern food. The ingredients to make them have been around for centuries, but a much more common and traditional preparation of these ingredients in latin countries would have beans and rice (and sometimes meat) all separate on a plate, with the tortillas served on the side. You'll find this basic food staple in just about any Caribbean, Central, or South American country to this day. The "taco" as we know it (with the tortilla wrapped around the ingredients) has really only come to popularity in the last couple centuries... and made more prevalent by American "Tex-Mex" which is also relatively modern.

Bottom line: tacos just don't fit with the time period in which ESO is set - no more than something like Hot Pockets or Pop Tarts would fit.

Alternatively, you could do some research and find out that this is entirely incorrect. Tacos predate the arrival of Europeans to Mexico. Meanwhile, cioppino, another recipe in ESO, is at best 200 years old, but that seems to have escaped community ire. Comparing tacos to Hot Pockets and Pop Tarts is more evidence of how the commoditization of Mexican culture is influencing your opinion on this.

Additionally, ESO is not set in the past, it's set in a fictional universe with magical immortal steam robots dating back probably to the Dawn Era, cat-apes whose most prominent epigenetic trait is based on the cycle of the moons (which themselves are the sundered body of a dead god or three), and Aether-ships made entirely of light. Never mind that the bustling central province exists simultaneously as a mysterious jungle full of dragons and a bucolic hillscape of generic Eurpoean peasantry, depending on which side of the Dragon you fell to when it was first(second?(third?)) torn apart. If you believe that tacos can't fit into that universe then I just don't know what to tell you.

BoloBoffin

This one keeps a frozen bantum guar Hot Pocket in this one's cupboard at all times. When this one thinks about eating it, then this one knows this one is too drunk to wayshrine to Cyrodiil.

hanilvor

Why are people worried about Tacos breaking immersion when there will be legions of people in jester outfits and wedding dresses... seems nit picky in the face of a larger problem that will only get worse as time goes on.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

hanilvor wrote: »

Why are people worried about Tacos breaking immersion when there will be legions of people in jester outfits and wedding dresses... seems nit picky in the face of a larger problem that will only get worse as time goes on.

Anyone remember Cicero?

When I play a ESO game I think ale, mead, wine, pork, beef, matze, cyrodilic brandy, sweet rolls, venison, comberries etc.

I do NOT want to associate tacos, meatloaf, champagne etc with it.

I'd rather they keep the older dish/ingredient names just have fewer dishes around upgading core ingredients similar to how alchemy works.

HeroOfEvbof

Anybody that think Tacos are "modern" are so out of touch with culture and history as to be shameful.
The natives of the New World were eating the Taco long before the arrival of Columbus or Cortes.
Meanwhile French Fries with Cheese (otherwise known as Poutine) is quite modern. Cioppino in barely 150 years old - it was invented in the late 19th century by fishermen operating out of San Francisco. It resembled a much older dish, sure, but the specific name Cioppino being applied is as San Francisco as Chop Suey.
Meat and vegetable rolled in a corn tortilla had its own name in the native tongue and that name was applicable long before the following dishes were named by their natives eaters: Chowder, Cioppino, Fondue, Fricasee, Poutine
Meat and vegetable in a corn tortilla was more popular amongst its native developers long before tin miners of Cornwall fell in love with Pasty.
As for the idea that Elder Scrolls is set in a time and place analogous to pre-Renaissance Europe, both the Tomato and Maize (named Corn by the Europeans) are New World plants not known in Europe until post-Columbus.
None of the other dishes and ingredients that ought to be vilified as immersion breaking got nerfed. None during 1.0 to 1.5. And while numerous very intelligent posters have complained about all the immersion breaking ingredients and dishes - it was the plethora of "Say No to Taco" posts that got the Taco nerfed.

Kromwell63

Tacos yesterday, Tacos today, and blimey, if it don’t look like Tacos again tomorrer

olemanwinter

Well, were they pink tacos?

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

People kept citing a fast food chain in regards to the negative connotation with tacos.

This is what hearing Tacos makes me think of....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJh7j3INmw