1.6 balance issue - damage looks out of control

trimsic_ESO · February 2015

Death recap windows:

The character who died was copied from the live EU server; it has about 24k hit points.

Something needs to be tuned down

F7sus4 · February 2015

Same in dungeons/trials, actually. Damage mitigation nerf for light armor is just outrageous.

Snit · February 2015

The character hitting you (Nerfsorcs) is, I believe, the current emperor in PTS. That's driving a huge part of the damage you ate.

trimsic_ESO · February 2015

F7sus4 wrote: »

Same in dungeons/trials, actually. Damage mitigation nerf for light armor is just outrageous.

The character who dies is wearing a medium armor.

sabresandiego_ESO · February 2015

Nerfsorc is the emperor. Trial gear is really bad for pvp defensively, and thats why damage seems out of control. Although I guess you are in live gear?

kimboh · February 2015

Snit wrote: »

The character hitting you (Nerfsorcs) is, I believe, the current emperor in PTS. That's driving a huge part of the damage you ate.

Yep, the same guy hit me for 15k light attack using overload.

It's totally broken.

Snit · February 2015

kimboh wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

The character hitting you (Nerfsorcs) is, I believe, the current emperor in PTS. That's driving a huge part of the damage you ate.

Yep, the same guy hit me for 15k light attack using overload.

It's totally broken.

Yeah - but that part that is broken is, if anything, the Emperor buff.

More to the point, you really can't use the Emperor's attacks to assess general class or skill balance issues. He's a one-off.

kimboh · February 2015

Snit wrote: »

kimboh wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

The character hitting you (Nerfsorcs) is, I believe, the current emperor in PTS. That's driving a huge part of the damage you ate.

Yep, the same guy hit me for 15k light attack using overload.

It's totally broken.

Yeah - but that part that is broken is, if anything, the Emperor buff.

More to the point, you really can't use the Emperor's attacks to assess general class or skill balance issues. He's a one-off.

I'm on my live character, also using overload, took down a flag healer in three hits.
Light attacks hitting for 12k

trimsic_ESO · February 2015

Snit wrote: »

The character hitting you (Nerfsorcs) is, I believe, the current emperor in PTS. That's driving a huge part of the damage you ate.

And ?

Just tested overload (not emperor, well not yet): 8k damage per tic.

Nacario · February 2015

Damage is high but so is the shield stacking, and currently it > damage.

Soulac · February 2015

Nacario wrote: »

Damage is high but so is the shield stacking, and currently it > damage.

Tell me more about this Shield Stacking for NB.
Don´t suggest Healing Ward, it´s too late if you reach 30%.

Nacario · February 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Nacario wrote: »

Damage is high but so is the shield stacking, and currently it > damage.

Tell me more about this Shield Stacking for NB.
Don´t suggest Healing Ward, it´s too late if you reach 30%.

Yeah Im having the same issues on my NB bow. Any competent player negates my 2nd or 3rd lethal arrow and just shield stacks from there. My damage is high, but negated by shield stacking.

Fissh · February 2015

I would need to see these supposed heavy hits in real time. The death recap adds up and calculates the damage as a total. I.E. If said sorc was Overloading light attacks constantly on you, then you will get the over 10k total in your death recap. This does not necessarily represent ONE hit. It could be he was spamming Overload on you and the total damage of that is what is displayed.
Screens shots of total damage in no way give you an argument on this.

NoRefunds · February 2015

Fissh those are actually single attacks, tooltip dmg on my overload is 15300,usually crits for 22k....main reason is that i have 58k magika, but even before emperor they were hitting for 8-9k base dmg, so the dmg is really high...but they can be reflected/absorbed or simply blocked so its not impossible to counter

Bouvin · February 2015

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Nerfsorc is the emperor. Trial gear is really bad for pvp defensively, and thats why damage seems out of control. Although I guess you are in live gear?

This makes me feel better about getting beaten by him so hard in Duels the first few days on 1.6.

Gorthax · February 2015

NoRefunds wrote: »

Fissh those are actually single attacks, tooltip dmg on my overload is 15300,usually crits for 22k....main reason is that i have 58k magika, but even before emperor they were hitting for 8-9k base dmg, so the dmg is really high...but they can be reflected/absorbed or simply blocked so its not impossible to counter

58k magicka O.o how the......

IxSTALKERxI · February 2015

Lol, the emperor is meant to be OP. It's the only way they can have an impact on a server with 500 enemy players trying to take everything.

I don't see the point in an emp participating in duels though...

Oh and if you are having trouble wrapping your head around the numbers, just divide everything by 9.

aco5712 · February 2015

if you ran absorb magic you could get nice heals from him xD i lasted about a minute against him while he was spamming overload coz of reflect lol

Yusuf · February 2015

Finally! Sorcerers don't have to be vampires to be good emperors anymore.

Guys, if someone is an emperor i believe he deserves to play as Emperor Palpatine okay?!

Ezareth · February 2015

kimboh wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

kimboh wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

The character hitting you (Nerfsorcs) is, I believe, the current emperor in PTS. That's driving a huge part of the damage you ate.

Yep, the same guy hit me for 15k light attack using overload.

It's totally broken.

Yeah - but that part that is broken is, if anything, the Emperor buff.

More to the point, you really can't use the Emperor's attacks to assess general class or skill balance issues. He's a one-off.

I'm on my live character, also using overload, took down a flag healer in three hits.
Light attacks hitting for 12k

No chance your light attacks are "hitting" for 12K unless you're boosting them with spellpower and other buffs.

Yusuf wrote: »

Finally! Sorcerers don't have to be vampires to be good emperors anymore.

Guys, if someone is an emperor i believe he deserves to play as Emperor Palpatine okay?!

Been there, done that :P~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXtFTZYT_eE

I don't think a Sorc Emperor is really all *that* much more powerful as the bonus to overload damage is offset quite a bit by the limited ultimate generation. As Emperor prior to 1.6 I could overload almost nonstop....now since Overload attacks themselves don't generate ult (even though they are "light/heavy" attacks) and kills generate far less ult even as emperor you can't overload as much as you could pre-1.5.

sagitter · February 2015

25k health, i have been beshotted from that guy many times, and now the emperor is almost unkillable without caps its like godmode, we were 8 vs him.

Ezareth · February 2015

sagitter wrote: »

25k health, i have been beshotted from that guy many times, and now the emperor is almost unkillable without caps its like godmode, we were 8 vs him.

Killed him last night 3 v 1 before I realized he was emp. Granted he got me several times until someone pointed out he was emp but even 1 v 1 he was unable to kill me with much ease.

If he killed you guys 1 v 8 I'm sorry to say you guys weren't very good or at least not coordinated at all. If you're attacking an emp in a group and you have access to any heals you should be healing his target as much as you are able and he'll either retreat or die every time.

madangrypally · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I don't think a Sorc Emperor is really all *that* much more powerful as the bonus to overload damage is offset quite a bit by the limited ultimate generation. As Emperor prior to 1.6 I could overload almost nonstop....now since Overload attacks themselves don't generate ult (even though they are "light/heavy" attacks) and kills generate far less ult even as emperor you can't overload as much as you could pre-1.5.

Overload does generate Ultimate from the light/heavy attacks. It seemed they not only buffed Overload but also fixed it so they count as light/heavy attacks.

Bound Armaments is increasing the heavy attack damage from Overload also. I assume now other sources that increase light/heavy attacks will also work. Weapon Passives themselves dont work though.

This is a major change from the live version. I have not tested other classes so will not say if its OP or not without more info though.

trimsic_ESO · February 2015

We don't have to be an emperor to deal a lot of damage with Overload. When it's about 11k per tic with the emperor buff, it's about 8k per tic without it. And despite the damage shield stacking meta, which is flawly designed in it's current form, it's a challenge to absorb so much damage.

sagitter · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

25k health, i have been beshotted from that guy many times, and now the emperor is almost unkillable without caps its like godmode, we were 8 vs him.

Killed him last night 3 v 1 before I realized he was emp. Granted he got me several times until someone pointed out he was emp but even 1 v 1 he was unable to kill me with much ease.

If he killed you guys 1 v 8 I'm sorry to say you guys weren't very good or at least not coordinated at all. If you're attacking an emp in a group and you have access to any heals you should be healing his target as much as you are able and he'll either retreat or die every time.

we weren't grouped, but it has never happened with previous patch, that 1 sorc emperor 2 shots me with overload.
1.6 Overload buff + no stats cap+emperor buffs

> than 1.5

sagitter · February 2015

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

We don't have to be an emperor to deal a lot of damage with Overload. When it's about 11k per tic with the emperor buff, it's about 8k per tic without it. And despite the damage shield stacking meta, which is flawly designed in it's current form, it's a challenge to absorb so much damage.

So the difference between 25k in magicka or 50k it's 3k of dmg? just to know...

DeLindsay · February 2015

Gorthax wrote: »

58k magicka O.o how the......

Necropetence set is the easiest way. Also current Emperor gets what, +100% Stamina/Magicka/Health via the Emperor Passive? I made a Template Sorc on PTS and could easily reach 30K as a non-Emp in Template gear while still having over 18K Health (non-Emp, standing in Cyro). Didn't you and I have this conversation Gorthax about how OP Necro gear might be without soft caps?

Ezareth · February 2015

He's not using pets and "easily" reach 30K magicka is with every single point in magicka, high elf/breton, and legendary gear all enchanted with magicka and VR14 epic rings/neck with magicka and VR10 epic food. Not everyone will be rocking all of that on live. Going much further over 30K with any real sets isn't going to be realistic. I can see some few really tweaking things to get a couple K higher but the cost starts to outweigh the benefit beyond that.

A large portion of overload damage comes from spellpower, and that isn't doubled as emp.

That said nerfsorc did kill me with overload through my ball lightning today (damn buggy spell) for 15K )=

I also died several times to several other 2 hander players running template gear as well. Sorcs are not OP right now, but the TTK of players in PTS right now is far too short. We really need to bring back the bonus HP.

Sharee · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I don't think a Sorc Emperor is really all *that* much more powerful as the bonus to overload damage is offset quite a bit by the limited ultimate generation. As Emperor prior to 1.6 I could overload almost nonstop....now since Overload attacks themselves don't generate ult (even though they are "light/heavy" attacks) and kills generate far less ult even as emperor you can't overload as much as you could pre-1.5.

I tested this on my baby v7 sorcerer copy.

Casting a single light overload attack cost him 22 ultimate. The same light overload attack triggered ultimate regeneration buff that restored 24 ultimate.

In other words, if you limit your overload light attacks to one per 8 seconds, you are actually gaining ultimate from doing so.

DeLindsay · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

He's not using pets and "easily" reach 30K magicka is with every single point in magicka, high elf/breton, and legendary gear all enchanted with magicka and VR14 epic rings/neck with magicka and VR10 epic food. Not everyone will be rocking all of that on live.

The 58K is an Emperor. What's half of 58K Magicka, 29K, VERY easily achievable in 1.6 while still having 35-38K Health as Emp. That said ~40K is about the upper limit for non-Emps and it does seriously gimp you for Stamina although Health can still be reasonable in Cyro at ~18K, especially if that Sorc is spamming Shields. There's no reason at all for Emps in 1.6 to put ANY points/Glyphs/set bonuses into Health.

Derra · February 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Nacario wrote: »

Damage is high but so is the shield stacking, and currently it > damage.

Tell me more about this Shield Stacking for NB.
Don´t suggest Healing Ward, it´s too late if you reach 30%.

@Soulac Maybe ask a good nb for help.
The builds giving you trouble should not be magica based but some guy with a 2h heavy attacking for 10k dmg - thats where nb has absolutely no defense.

Also 6k noncrit for EDIT: Veiled Strike (hidden blade was not was i meant) seems fine from my perspective.