Stop Being Selfish

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

I came to this section to try to read some of the community feedback and see what is working on 1.6 and what is not because I don't have much time to spend testing it. But sadly what I see is many people complaining about how "ZoS screwed my character", bla bla bla.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are balance issues (not that we didn't have any before 1.6). But many people seem mad because they can't be as effective as before, using the same gear, skills and doing the same thing. Calling any change a nerf and so on.

Come on people, I'm sure we can all handle changes. It is not like they are making everyone level 1 and 0 gold again. I myself "wasted" a lot of time grinding levels, gear, whatever to get the best possible and if my character is not gonna be the same after 1.6 (and it won't) so be it, I will make the changes I need to do and keep playing. In fact I think that is a good thing, having to learn the skills again, check what is good what is not, etc.

We need to think a bit less about ourselves and a bit more about the big picture. They are making all these changes because we asked for it. It might not be perfect, and it never will be, but give them some credit. And yeah, keep in mind they are a company and work under a budget and time limits like every other and cannot fix a huge game like this from one day to another.

No "fanboyism". I'm just being reasonable and not losing my mind because they changed what I like.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to put that out.

It is just a game people, chill. Peace!

Lionxoft

I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.

xaraan

No nice way to say this, but attitudes like this will send this game the wrong direction. The blind support of what some company does will not help them put out a better product. If players are feeling screwed over, ZoS needs to know.

And frankly, as guy that has worked for a variety of different companies dealing with customers, you don't worry about the guys complaining - telling you how you can help them (whether they are nice about it or not) you worry about the guys that don't complain and just leave and never return. So chances are, if there are some players out there hating on changes talking about it, there are more hating on them and just moving on.

This blind support is the same type of fanboy commenting that we went through with Champion Point rollout and when we were trying to talk about/tell the community the game was going to go B2P/F2P. Instead of actually talking about it, fanboys just shut the discussion down with crap like this.

If your best contribution is to take that roll above and tell us to "test" the game for you since you don't have time and then top it off by telling us how to give feedback. Then I would suggest you get on the PTS, make time, and put your money where your mouth is and give your own feedback on the game instead of the guys paying a sub to test it for them and you.

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

xaraan wrote: »

No nice way to say this, but attitudes like this will send this game the wrong direction. The blind support of what some company does will not help them put out a better product. If players are feeling screwed over, ZoS needs to know.

And frankly, as guy that has worked for a variety of different companies dealing with customers, you don't worry about the guys complaining - telling you how you can help them (whether they are nice about it or not) you worry about the guys that don't complain and just leave and never return. So chances are, if there are some players out there hating on changes talking about it, there are more hating on them and just moving on.

This blind support is the same type of fanboy commenting that we went through with Champion Point rollout and when we were trying to talk about/tell the community the game was going to go B2P/F2P. Instead of actually talking about it, fanboys just shut the discussion down with crap like this.

If your best contribution is to take that roll above and tell us to "test" the game for you since you don't have time and then top it off by telling us how to give feedback. Then I would suggest you get on the PTS, make time, and put your money where your mouth is and give your own feedback on the game instead of the guys paying a sub to test it for them and you.

I don't see where I said everything is perfect and I support the game 100%. Maybe you can show that in my post.

What I said is that some people are complaining like everything about their character is crap now and there is no way to adapt to the "new reality". I'm not asking anyone to test the game for me and certainly not telling how to express their opinions.

I might not be testing and playing on the PTS but I can read, I know what people are complaining about, I can see what opinions converge and what not.

I don't need to tell you that, but since you misunderstood what I said I use the "/bug" command almost everytime I play because there is always something to improve or fix. I pay the same amount of money everyone else pays and I certainly have my preferences.

Anyway, don't try to make me sound like I support everything they do, because that is not what I said.

Ourorboros

Stop being selfish? No matter how well intentioned, might as well ask to stop breathing, stop being human, especially since this a subbed game.

Slurg

ZOS representatives, through several methods of communication, asked their customers to get on the PTS and provide feedback. That is what people are doing. You don't have to like it. But ZOS most certainly asked for the feedback they are getting and who are you to tell people they're wrong for doing so?

Come on, this is way better than all the screaming and crying that went on before people even knew what was actually in 1.6. Now people can see for themselves how they and others with similar builds will be affected and provide feedback from a position of knowledge.

And guess what, everyone gets that opportunity, whether they love it or hate it or anything in between! I think it's great that people are doing that whether I agree with what they say or not.

WraithAzraiel

Lionxoft wrote: »

I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.

Are you kidding me?

As an example of needed changes, on what friggin planet does wearing cloth robes make you more impervious to harm than a suit of heavy armor?

Magical harm? Sure. All types of harm? Abso-friggin-lutely not.

nukeemstudiosub17_ESO

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

I came to this section to try to read some of the community feedback and see what is working on 1.6 and what is not because I don't have much time to spend testing it. But sadly what I see is many people complaining about how "ZoS screwed my character", bla bla bla.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are balance issues (not that we didn't have any before 1.6). But many people seem mad because they can't be as effective as before, using the same gear, skills and doing the same thing. Calling any change a nerf and so on.

Come on people, I'm sure we can all handle changes. It is not like they are making everyone level 1 and 0 gold again. I myself "wasted" a lot of time grinding levels, gear, whatever to get the best possible and if my character is not gonna be the same after 1.6 (and it won't) so be it, I will make the changes I need to do and keep playing. In fact I think that is a good thing, having to learn the skills again, check what is good what is not, etc.

We need to think a bit less about ourselves and a bit more about the big picture. They are making all these changes because we asked for it. It might not be perfect, and it never will be, but give them some credit. And yeah, keep in mind they are a company and work under a budget and time limits like every other and cannot fix a huge game like this from one day to another.

No "fanboyism". I'm just being reasonable and not losing my mind because they changed what I like.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to put that out.

It is just a game people, chill. Peace!

OK. I agree with some of what you have said. Nearly all of it even gave you an insightful tag on your post. That being said, Many people including myself have what i think is a legitimate grievance.
Reason:
Now you are correct again in stating that there will be a balance issue. Some would say they were pretty close in the first place for once to achieving class balance. I do not think that is the issue.
Its the issue of the hardcore loyal players that have been here, having hope in ZOS, just to have the progress they have made stripped and not PROPERLY being reimbursed. I'm not talking giving us crowns here for reimbursement. But you cant expect to have someone who is V14 to has been here 2 months(just example). Not even completed caldwells gold or other CP earning quests. To have the same CP as someone who is done with caldwells, done with this or that.

I have no problem learning new skills. I also like the fact that we now, as a huge fan, have a more TES style character development. The grievance I have, and many others as well is they should have given credit where credit is due and allowed us enough CP to get our characters back to where they were. Or there abouts. Not even about not being able to take on tons of people anymore. As I said I have no problem learning a new play style. Many others and myself just want what we feel we have earned with all the time we have invested.

Lionxoft

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.

Are you kidding me?

As an example of needed changes, on what friggin planet does wearing cloth robes make you more impervious to harm than a suit of heavy armor?

Magical harm? Sure. All types of harm? Abso-friggin-lutely not.

See that point I made? Flying right over there! *Points finger* Dang, it flew right over your head.

I did not say that everything in this update is bad however it has introduced a lot more problems than solutions already. The armor mitigation per type of armor is a decent change however shield stacking, emperor buffs, ridiculous damage output, new broken abilities, abilities changed that didn't need to be changed, passives changed that didn't need to be changed and lack of soft caps (Shouldn't be removed however just raised) have all driven this game into the wrong direction.

Specific Example:
You want ultimate? Well, you better light or heavy attack hit something that doesn't have a damage shield shield up... Oh, wait.

I do believe that this update brings the game into worse shape than what it is on live server. I'd be excited to say that when update 6 hits live servers that all of this will be close to being addressed however I highly doubt it.

I've been trying to point out the syphoning attacks not proc'ing against damage shields forever and it seems that same issue is preventing ultimate generation. I've also been trying to wait for cloak to work properly. Oh hey! They changed the animation! I really hope that wasn't the improvement they were talking about. Heavy Armor Constitution passive? You want resources back while being hit!? Well, you better not use a defensive ability like a damage shield otherwise you won't gain your resources back. All reported months ago. All still broken. All which received changes in 1.6 however not the appropriate fixes necessary.

Shadesofkin

These are my favorite posts.

Gyudan

Stop being shellfish?

Nope, never.

WraithAzraiel

Lionxoft wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.

Are you kidding me?

As an example of needed changes, on what friggin planet does wearing cloth robes make you more impervious to harm than a suit of heavy armor?

Magical harm? Sure. All types of harm? Abso-friggin-lutely not.

See that point I made? Flying right over there! *Points finger* Dang, it flew right over your head.

I did not say that everything in this update is bad however it has introduced a lot more problems than solutions already. The armor mitigation per type of armor is a decent change however shield stacking, emperor buffs, ridiculous damage output, new broken abilities, abilities changed that didn't need to be changed, passives changed that didn't need to be changed and lack of soft caps (Shouldn't be removed however just raised) have all driven this game into the wrong direction.

Specific Example:
You want ultimate? Well, you better light or heavy attack hit something that doesn't have a damage shield shield up... Oh, wait.

I do believe that this update brings the game into worse shape than what it is on live server. I'd be excited to say that when update 6 hits live servers that all of this will be close to being addressed however I highly doubt it.

I've been trying to point out the syphoning attacks not proc'ing against damage shields forever and it seems that same issue is preventing ultimate generation. I've also been trying to wait for cloak to work properly. Oh hey! They changed the animation! I really hope that wasn't the improvement they were talking about. Heavy Armor Constitution passive? You want resources back while being hit!? Well, you better not use a defensive ability like a damage shield otherwise you won't gain your resources back. All reported months ago. All still broken. All which received changes in 1.6 however not the appropriate fixes necessary.

What point? I quoted your first and ONLY post on this thread. If you're expecting me to search the forums for a magical and all-encompassing post you made on another thread, I'm afraid you're going to be sorely disappointed, pal.

Here I'll try an analogy akin to the one you gave.

"Sometimes if the really nice house has a cracked foundation, is infested with termites and has the beginnings of a meth lab in the basement, it needs to be blown up and redone from scratch. So what if you have to live in a motel for a while."

See? I can do it too. See that point? Right there? Coming straight for you?

And yes, you effectively are saying it's all bad by likening it to a burnt cardboard box.

I'm only reading what you wrote in this thread and basing my reactions and responses off of what I see.

And further more, the problems you just listed HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE GAME.

Vampire DK Emperor's in light armor waving sticks and demolishing hordes upon hordes of enemy combatants while remaining untouchable.

Now, they'll have to be in heavy armor if they even want to survive. OR at the very least, it'll be more difficult for them to do anything BUT survive whilst they stack shields against the onslaught.

Cody

I have been a huge supporter of ESO since BETA. I have defended this game at the expense of my integrity and even my personal values at times. I have put a lot into this game, to sum it up.

I will provide feedback HOWEVER I please. If I feel like a problem is huge enough to require immense complaining/criticizing, then I will do what I believe is necessary. I have supported this game since launch, despite the fact it is a laughing stock on the gaming world. I can and will provide feedback however I please. You don't get to tell people how to provide feedback, especially considering you apparently have not eve tried the PTS yourself.

You disapprove of how many of us provide feedback? then get on the PTS yourself, test it yourself, and provide your own feedback. But you have no right or authority to tell people how to act.

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

I think I wasn't specific to what I was referring to.

I read a lot of comments of people saying ZoS killed their character, and that the progress they made all the way to V14 was thrown in the trash. Even not knowing specifics about all builds and all characters I highly doubt any character is impossible to play now or need to be fully remade in order to be effective.

That said, I agree with what @nukeemstudiosub17_ESO wrote about we not being refunded for all the hard work till V14, alts, etc, etc.

I have complaints too. I'm a Magicka Sorc, I don't have any healing other than resto staff now and the only way I can protect myself is using damage shields. But that doesn't make my character useless. I want them to rework some skills, yes. But I'm also willing to make the changes needed if I have to.

Joejudas

I put 10 paid months into this game....and thousands of hours into getting end game gear.....and they made all that gear useless and took away my stats in 1.6....and as a reward I'm suppose to grind cp to get back what I already earned because there isn't any new content. No thanks

xaraan

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

No nice way to say this, but attitudes like this will send this game the wrong direction. The blind support of what some company does will not help them put out a better product. If players are feeling screwed over, ZoS needs to know.

And frankly, as guy that has worked for a variety of different companies dealing with customers, you don't worry about the guys complaining - telling you how you can help them (whether they are nice about it or not) you worry about the guys that don't complain and just leave and never return. So chances are, if there are some players out there hating on changes talking about it, there are more hating on them and just moving on.

This blind support is the same type of fanboy commenting that we went through with Champion Point rollout and when we were trying to talk about/tell the community the game was going to go B2P/F2P. Instead of actually talking about it, fanboys just shut the discussion down with crap like this.

If your best contribution is to take that roll above and tell us to "test" the game for you since you don't have time and then top it off by telling us how to give feedback. Then I would suggest you get on the PTS, make time, and put your money where your mouth is and give your own feedback on the game instead of the guys paying a sub to test it for them and you.

I don't see where I said everything is perfect and I support the game 100%. Maybe you can show that in my post.

What I said is that some people are complaining like everything about their character is crap now and there is no way to adapt to the "new reality". I'm not asking anyone to test the game for me and certainly not telling how to express their opinions.

I might not be testing and playing on the PTS but I can read, I know what people are complaining about, I can see what opinions converge and what not.

I don't need to tell you that, but since you misunderstood what I said I use the "/bug" command almost everytime I play because there is always something to improve or fix. I pay the same amount of money everyone else pays and I certainly have my preferences.

Anyway, don't try to make me sound like I support everything they do, because that is not what I said.

Perhaps its the ridiculousness of telling people that are testing something with their characters to not complain about how it is effecting their characters. It makes no sense.

Not everyone has a character of every roll and class to test every aspect of the game and are going to be testing how the changes effect the character they do have. Granted, I do have several characters that I've been able to test, but I don't expect everyone to do so and don't think complaining about someone's results testing their character or build will do anyone any good but starting a bunch of crap in the forum. Nobody needs a hero to step up and tell everyone to 'not be selfish' when it sounds like you are the one doing so by not making time to test and them complaining about those that are.

Players are customers. ZoS needs to know if they aren't happy, whether it's because they've screwed up stuff all around or because one build that player has invested time and gold into is totally worthless. Those are still customers that might be leaving if they feel overly screwed and ZoS deserves to make the decision to say 'bye' or 'we'll change it'. Nobody is going to decide "oh, this dude on the internet said stop being selfish, so I won't be upset anymore that my build is screwed up."

joshisanonymous

Cody wrote: »

I have been a huge supporter of ESO since BETA. I have defended this game at the expense of my integrity and even my personal values at times. I have put a lot into this game, to sum it up.

I will provide feedback HOWEVER I please. If I feel like a problem is huge enough to require immense complaining/criticizing, then I will do what I believe is necessary. I have supported this game since launch, despite the fact it is a laughing stock on the gaming world. I can and will provide feedback however I please. You don't get to tell people how to provide feedback, especially considering you apparently have not eve tried the PTS yourself.

You disapprove of how many of us provide feedback? then get on the PTS yourself, test it yourself, and provide your own feedback. But you have no right or authority to tell people how to act.

You mean you've had fun playing the game and talking about it since beta, I think that's more accurate. Which is good, I'm glad you felt it was fun enough to do so. And you're certainly allowed to provide feedback, even negative feedback. I think that's expected really. what I'm getting from the OP, though, is that just making post after post after post of, "They destroyed my character! I've been wronged! I'm going to sue you! How could you stab me in the back like this and then start turning the knife slowly! Stop violating me ZoS!", is simply overboard. All it really does is turn the forums into a giant heap of insult garbage that's not useful to anyone. On the other hand, negative feedback could come in the form of something like:

"I feel like I don't have enough unfinished content to make grinding out CP fun. Are the points being given to VR14s equivalent to what one would get by doing all the quests in the game? If not, can the initial number of CPs granted be tied to VR level and the amount of non-repeatable quests finished? This would feel like a more appropriate amount since I can't go back and do most of the content in the game and have to do just repeatable quests and grinding delves."

See how that's a lot more useful than just straight up complaining and actually gives a realistic alternative? You might actually get meaningful discussion out of a post like that, and I imagine people at ZoS will take you much more seriously simply because customers who rant and rave are almost always more trouble than they're worth, speaking from experience. It's too much stress trying to please people who complain that the sky is falling and in most cases it's not actually possible to placate them, so you humor them when necessary but ultimately ignore them.

By all means, go on tirades if you feel it's somehow useful, but I think you're just stressing yourself out over very little in the long run, which I'm pretty sure is the OP's point.

Aevric

Blind support of a game and its developers is what ruined Star Wars: Galaxies.
THAT is what you get when you don't voice your opinions and critiques.

Cogo

Aevric wrote: »

Blind support of a game and its developers is what ruined Star Wars: Galaxies.
THAT is what you get when you don't voice your opinions and critiques.

Correction. SoE ruined that MMO by making it.

Joejudas

Cogo wrote: »

Aevric wrote: »

Blind support of a game and its developers is what ruined Star Wars: Galaxies.
THAT is what you get when you don't voice your opinions and critiques.

Correction. SoE ruined that MMO by making it.

and ZOS is ruining this one

renton1x1x1

yup i agree with the op mostly.

However this is a product support form and customers who have made a purchase and continue to pay subs are entitled to their views and opinions.

That what you get basically - people opinions, some are bad, some good.
As customers they do have a right to voice these opinions. I probably disagree with most of them but i support their right to voice those opinions.

Forums of this type tend to err towards the negative but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. If the forums where only full of posts saying this game is totally awesome it wouldn't work as an effective way for zenimax to measure public opinion.

I do dislike the more negative posts but but they do serve a purpose.

SO if there is something you dislike about the game i encourage you get your moaning gear on and let rip because ultimately it will help zenimax make a better game.

Oh yes you may of nerfed sorcs a bit too hard. I'm not a sorc but i know someone who is - he's doesn't like pets. Buff melee sorcs!!

kewl

Indeed, no one should log on to the PTS server and offer an opinion about their experience, unless it meets your approval.

PSA: No mudcrabs were harmed while composing this post.

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

I have been a huge supporter of ESO since BETA. I have defended this game at the expense of my integrity and even my personal values at times. I have put a lot into this game, to sum it up.

I will provide feedback HOWEVER I please. If I feel like a problem is huge enough to require immense complaining/criticizing, then I will do what I believe is necessary. I have supported this game since launch, despite the fact it is a laughing stock on the gaming world. I can and will provide feedback however I please. You don't get to tell people how to provide feedback, especially considering you apparently have not eve tried the PTS yourself.

You disapprove of how many of us provide feedback? then get on the PTS yourself, test it yourself, and provide your own feedback. But you have no right or authority to tell people how to act.

You mean you've had fun playing the game and talking about it since beta, I think that's more accurate. Which is good, I'm glad you felt it was fun enough to do so. And you're certainly allowed to provide feedback, even negative feedback. I think that's expected really. what I'm getting from the OP, though, is that just making post after post after post of, "They destroyed my character! I've been wronged! I'm going to sue you! How could you stab me in the back like this and then start turning the knife slowly! Stop violating me ZoS!", is simply overboard. All it really does is turn the forums into a giant heap of insult garbage that's not useful to anyone. On the other hand, negative feedback could come in the form of something like:

"I feel like I don't have enough unfinished content to make grinding out CP fun. Are the points being given to VR14s equivalent to what one would get by doing all the quests in the game? If not, can the initial number of CPs granted be tied to VR level and the amount of non-repeatable quests finished? This would feel like a more appropriate amount since I can't go back and do most of the content in the game and have to do just repeatable quests and grinding delves."

See how that's a lot more useful than just straight up complaining and actually gives a realistic alternative? You might actually get meaningful discussion out of a post like that, and I imagine people at ZoS will take you much more seriously simply because customers who rant and rave are almost always more trouble than they're worth, speaking from experience. It's too much stress trying to please people who complain that the sky is falling and in most cases it's not actually possible to placate them, so you humor them when necessary but ultimately ignore them.

By all means, go on tirades if you feel it's somehow useful, but I think you're just stressing yourself out over very little in the long run, which I'm pretty sure is the OP's point.

Finally someone got my point. Thank you.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.

Joejudas

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.

and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere

Alphashado

Joejudas wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.

and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere

And while you are spending all of your time screaming FIRE on every single thread, the rest of us are learning what changes were made, researching new skills, adjusting our builds, and moving on. The only one that is going to be standing in a ghost town is you because you are living in the past.

Cody

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

I have been a huge supporter of ESO since BETA. I have defended this game at the expense of my integrity and even my personal values at times. I have put a lot into this game, to sum it up.

I will provide feedback HOWEVER I please. If I feel like a problem is huge enough to require immense complaining/criticizing, then I will do what I believe is necessary. I have supported this game since launch, despite the fact it is a laughing stock on the gaming world. I can and will provide feedback however I please. You don't get to tell people how to provide feedback, especially considering you apparently have not eve tried the PTS yourself.

You disapprove of how many of us provide feedback? then get on the PTS yourself, test it yourself, and provide your own feedback. But you have no right or authority to tell people how to act.

You mean you've had fun playing the game and talking about it since beta, I think that's more accurate. Which is good, I'm glad you felt it was fun enough to do so. And you're certainly allowed to provide feedback, even negative feedback. I think that's expected really. what I'm getting from the OP, though, is that just making post after post after post of, "They destroyed my character! I've been wronged! I'm going to sue you! How could you stab me in the back like this and then start turning the knife slowly! Stop violating me ZoS!", is simply overboard. All it really does is turn the forums into a giant heap of insult garbage that's not useful to anyone. On the other hand, negative feedback could come in the form of something like:

"I feel like I don't have enough unfinished content to make grinding out CP fun. Are the points being given to VR14s equivalent to what one would get by doing all the quests in the game? If not, can the initial number of CPs granted be tied to VR level and the amount of non-repeatable quests finished? This would feel like a more appropriate amount since I can't go back and do most of the content in the game and have to do just repeatable quests and grinding delves."

See how that's a lot more useful than just straight up complaining and actually gives a realistic alternative? You might actually get meaningful discussion out of a post like that, and I imagine people at ZoS will take you much more seriously simply because customers who rant and rave are almost always more trouble than they're worth, speaking from experience. It's too much stress trying to please people who complain that the sky is falling and in most cases it's not actually possible to placate them, so you humor them when necessary but ultimately ignore them.

By all means, go on tirades if you feel it's somehow useful, but I think you're just stressing yourself out over very little in the long run, which I'm pretty sure is the OP's point.

"stressing over nothing in the long run"

.... /sigh


A post describing only the good things of the game are a complete waste of time to read half the time, as they fail to address problems within the game. There are people that really care about this game, and just because they make a post that is more than just a paragraph/ is not 100% optimistic with no hint of frustration does not mean it is a rage post or a pointless tirade post.

But whatever you think. I wont make a big deal over this. Have fun with...whatever you plan to do after reading and/or responding to this.

Joejudas

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.

and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere

And while you are spending all of your time screaming FIRE on every single thread, the rest of us are learning what changes were made, researching new skills, adjusting our builds, and moving on. The only one that is going to be standing in a ghost town is you because you are living in the past.

we understand that anyone who is crititcal of this game is a crazy person to you...and zos is the best company ever. If you cant understand why all the higher level folks are angry its not worth trying to convince you

Alphashado

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.

and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere

And while you are spending all of your time screaming FIRE on every single thread, the rest of us are learning what changes were made, researching new skills, adjusting our builds, and moving on. The only one that is going to be standing in a ghost town is you because you are living in the past.

we understand that anyone who is crititcal of this game is a crazy person to you...and zos is the best company ever.

Comments like that are why nobody is taking you seriously. And all of your comments are like that.

In the hundreds (if not thousands) of posts you have made in the last 5 days,
you have not once supplied a reasonable, rational thought or discussion. I have personally seen hundreds of people attempt to have rational discussions with you, and in return you just insult them because they disagree.

You seem to be of the mindset that everyone disagreeing with you is some kind of rabid ZoS supporter. You couldn't be more wrong.

If you wish to have a rational discussion, then you may want to stop insulting people and bring something to the table other than:

"OMG they nerfed my favorite build, this game is going to DIE."

Or

"OMG they reduced the crit% on Trial gear sets, the game is going to DIE"

Or

"OMG how dare you disagree with me, you are obviously a ZOS fanboi!"


This is exactly how you sound. And it's everywhere.

The issues you want to discuss are fair topics for conversation, but unless you have clear, rational thought behind your comments, people are not going to take you seriously and you are just going to become more frustrated and angry.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Joejudas wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I just wish they would go ahead and publish it already. My characters have been in limbo for a month. Put it on live as is I say.

and watch the game turn into a ghosttown in under a month. if it goes live without some major revamps alot of people will go elsewhere

Most people Ive talked to are pretty pleased with it as is. They can do balancing after its patched. I cant even start a new character because the new character area has been revamped in 1.6.

Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO

Lionxoft wrote: »

I think if they didn't completely overhaul the game it would be in a better spot than it is now. That's like blowing up a nice house and replacing it with a burnt cardboard box and calling it an improvement.

You must have not been here since beta or else you wouldn't be saying such redonkulous misinformation