Motifs Sold Via Crown Store.

Chrithu

Turelus wrote: »

So on ESO live tonight it seems ZOS announced that Motifs would indeed eventually come to the Crown Store.

... all the important items you wanted were moved to the store instead of taking meaningful gameplay to achieve.

Wait what??? So grinding gold or mindlessly farming cupboards and trunks for hours and hours is meaningful gameplay??? Getting the motifs together is a huge pain in the ass, because it is no fun at all.

Getting them in the crown store is the cheap solution. The better solution of course would have been to create actual gameplay to get the motifs. Like learning the stuff by looting and researching armor/weapons from certain mobs.

Seriously. In my view any change to how one can get his hands on the motifs is a huge improvement on how they currently work.

Iago

Chrithu wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So on ESO live tonight it seems ZOS announced that Motifs would indeed eventually come to the Crown Store.

... all the important items you wanted were moved to the store instead of taking meaningful gameplay to achieve.

Wait what??? So grinding gold or mindlessly farming cupboards and trunks for hours and hours is meaningful gameplay??? Getting the motifs together is a huge pain in the ass, because it is no fun at all.

Getting them in the crown store is the cheap solution. The better solution of course would have been to create actual gameplay to get the motifs. Like learning the stuff by looting and researching armor/weapons from certain mobs.

Seriously. In my view any change to how one can get his hands on the motifs is a huge improvement on how they currently work.

Or Certain motifs/ recipes earned as quest rewards

Turelus

Iago wrote: »

Chrithu wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So on ESO live tonight it seems ZOS announced that Motifs would indeed eventually come to the Crown Store.

... all the important items you wanted were moved to the store instead of taking meaningful gameplay to achieve.

Wait what??? So grinding gold or mindlessly farming cupboards and trunks for hours and hours is meaningful gameplay??? Getting the motifs together is a huge pain in the ass, because it is no fun at all.

Getting them in the crown store is the cheap solution. The better solution of course would have been to create actual gameplay to get the motifs. Like learning the stuff by looting and researching armor/weapons from certain mobs.

Seriously. In my view any change to how one can get his hands on the motifs is a huge improvement on how they currently work.

Or Certain motifs/ recipes earned as quest rewards

Quest Rewards
Dungeon Boss Drops
Team Based World Boss Drops
Trials Drops

Anything which means it takes playing the game to earn them rather than picking up the credit card.

Tandor

MornaBaine wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

That isn't what they said.

They said there will be new motifs with the DLC. The DLC is on the Crown store. The Motifs are a PART of the DLC.

This is correct. We are currently discussing having some motifs available as part of future DLC. Whether or not we will offer them by themselves has not yet been decided.

Re-reading this, what it looks like is that you have ALREADY decided that there will be new Motifs in the DLC areas and those motifs will NOT be available in the areas that already exist in the game. Thus, you are forcing crafters to either sub or purchase the DLC in order to have access to the Motifs. Because if they do not they will not be able to remain competitive with other crafters who are willing to drop the cash. It's pretty much the same thing as selling them in the store. Don't do this. If you add new motifs they need to drop in all the areas that the currently existing motifs do. This is the slippery slope ZOS....I am disappointed to see you are already set to merrily bobsled down it.

I disagree. Of course there should be things in the DLC areas that you can't get elsewhere in the game. Are you going to claim that any item given as a quest reward in the DLC areas should also be given as a quest reward in the existing areas? New areas need to have new items and as they get traded they will move around the game world. There has to be some sort of incentive to buy new content otherwise everyone would literally choose to play for free and the game would go bust.

JamilaRaj

Tandor wrote: »

I disagree. Of course there should be things in the DLC areas that you can't get elsewhere in the game. Are you going to claim that any item given as a quest reward in the DLC areas should also be given as a quest reward in the existing areas? New areas need to have new items and as they get traded they will move around the game world. There has to be some sort of incentive to buy new content otherwise everyone would literally choose to play for free and the game would go bust.

True, true, DLC absolutely has to be P2W in order to bring revenue.

Alphashado

Here it is in a nutshell:

Hunting/finding/using/selling Motifs is one of the truly rare and unique things about ESO that many people appreciate. If they go into the Cash Store, it detracts from the charm immensely. It would be a perfect example of how little things like this add up over time and slowly but surely kill a game.

Tandor

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I disagree. Of course there should be things in the DLC areas that you can't get elsewhere in the game. Are you going to claim that any item given as a quest reward in the DLC areas should also be given as a quest reward in the existing areas? New areas need to have new items and as they get traded they will move around the game world. There has to be some sort of incentive to buy new content otherwise everyone would literally choose to play for free and the game would go bust.

True, true, DLC absolutely has to be P2W in order to bring revenue.

Nothing I said has anything remotely to do with P2W.

If you want an item that drops in a DLC area and don't want to buy the DLC then look out for it on the Guild Traders, it'll be there soon enough.

nerevarine1138

MornaBaine wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

That isn't what they said.

They said there will be new motifs with the DLC. The DLC is on the Crown store. The Motifs are a PART of the DLC.

This is correct. We are currently discussing having some motifs available as part of future DLC. Whether or not we will offer them by themselves has not yet been decided.

Re-reading this, what it looks like is that you have ALREADY decided that there will be new Motifs in the DLC areas and those motifs will NOT be available in the areas that already exist in the game. Thus, you are forcing crafters to either sub or purchase the DLC in order to have access to the Motifs. Because if they do not they will not be able to remain competitive with other crafters who are willing to drop the cash. It's pretty much the same thing as selling them in the store. Don't do this. If you add new motifs they need to drop in all the areas that the currently existing motifs do. This is the slippery slope ZOS....I am disappointed to see you are already set to merrily bobsled down it.

Yes, and by putting new gear in DLC areas, they're technically making it pay-to-win! /sarcasm

If you don't want to pay, don't. But don't whine that you don't have access to the same content (yes, motifs are content) when you don't have the DLC that's required. It's like whining that you can't get the Dwemer motif without spending lots of gold or actually going into a Dwemer ruin.

Castielle

I guess the thing is , what would you rather have them put in the store? Cosmetic Motifs or actual items that effect gameplay? They are going to put things in the store that will be exclusive, that's how they will make their money. As long as it isn't something every player "must have" to be competitive in the game or in PvP then it shouldn't break the game.

Am I happy about a store? No, but I'd rather they sell Motifs then Armor Sets or Weapon Sets or faster Mounts etc.

Cas

WraithAzraiel

briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »

#CosmeticOnlyOrBye

IF the DLC is going to be comprised of new zones and content. Motifs are part of content.


Unless they say that the motifs are going to be bind on pickup or something stupid, you'll likely be able to get the new motifs through buying them off another player without having to pay real cash to actually use them.

Unless they lock it somehow.

Sooooooooo, cool your jets, lets see how they spin it before we grab the torches and pitchforks.

wookiefriseur

And now it happened



Got mixed feelings about it and stand by my previous statement:

Patros wrote: »

I think there should not be any motifs in the crown store as crafters would be able to make ingame gold from it. Even if it wasn't shop exclusive or a hard to get motif, I wouldn't like to see it being sold there.

Motifs should stay something you have to farm and as the players progress, it becomes easier / cheaper to get the older motifs. No need to create an artificial shortcut that might gradually change things into a direction we don't want.

Calluna

At 5000 crowns for the rare motifs I really don't think a lot of people are going to be buying. At current rates that's about 35 bucks each for the Dwemer and Imperial books. And they are per character not per account so it would be quite expensive to outfit your crafters with all the motifs. Seems so pricey that not a lot of people are going pay cash for this.

Zershar_Vemod

Calluna wrote: »

At 5000 crowns for the rare motifs I really don't think a lot of people are going to be buying. At current rates that's about 35 bucks each for the Dwemer and Imperial books. And they are per character not per account so it would be quite expensive to outfit your crafters with all the motifs. Seems so pricey that not a lot of people are going pay cash for this.

You forgot about the "OH SHINY!" crowd.

I miss games where you actually earned items.

McDoogs

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Calluna wrote: »

At 5000 crowns for the rare motifs I really don't think a lot of people are going to be buying. At current rates that's about 35 bucks each for the Dwemer and Imperial books. And they are per character not per account so it would be quite expensive to outfit your crafters with all the motifs. Seems so pricey that not a lot of people are going pay cash for this.

You forgot about the "OH SHINY!" crowd.

I miss games where you actually earned items.

Technically, unless you are stealing your money, milking an inheritance, or mooching off of someone, you are probably earning it in some way. So you if you get an item using earned money, you earned that item.

Zargorius

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Calluna wrote: »

At 5000 crowns for the rare motifs I really don't think a lot of people are going to be buying. At current rates that's about 35 bucks each for the Dwemer and Imperial books. And they are per character not per account so it would be quite expensive to outfit your crafters with all the motifs. Seems so pricey that not a lot of people are going pay cash for this.

You forgot about the "OH SHINY!" crowd.

I miss games where you actually earned items.

I will go off and say that people who actually paid for items with their money, gained through hard work, have probably "earned" them more than those who just sat there playing countless hours. How about this for reasoning? Gaming is not a job, it doesn't earn you anything besides fun (hopefully).

P3ZZL3

Still not sure how the Rarest Item in the game is the same value as The Imperials. *shrugs*

albinokitten

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

That isn't what they said.

They said there will be new motifs with the DLC. The DLC is on the Crown store. The Motifs are a PART of the DLC.

This is correct. We are currently discussing having some motifs available as part of future DLC. Whether or not we will offer them by themselves has not yet been decided.

If you do make motifs buyable (worst case scenario), can they be BoE? So then at least people with some gold in game can buy them.

I wish the pets/mounts/costumes on the store were already like this. >.<

Edit* Oh my, didn't realize Jessica had posted this in January...

MCMancub

albinokitten wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

That isn't what they said.

They said there will be new motifs with the DLC. The DLC is on the Crown store. The Motifs are a PART of the DLC.

This is correct. We are currently discussing having some motifs available as part of future DLC. Whether or not we will offer them by themselves has not yet been decided.

If you do make motifs buyable (worst case scenario), can they be BoE? So then at least people with some gold in game can buy them.

I wish the pets/mounts/costumes on the store were already like this. >.<

Edit* Oh my, didn't realize Jessica had posted this in January...

They've already stated that they will not be BoE. That would enable people to purchase gold with cash. None of us want that. The prices are so high in the crown store that the in-game market will hardly move at all. Those who would buy from the crown store will lower the supply to meet the new lower demand. Prices will remain where they are, most likely.

Sylvyr

Alphashado wrote: »

Here it is in a nutshell:

Hunting/finding/using/selling Motifs is one of the truly rare and unique things about ESO that many people appreciate. If they go into the Cash Store, it detracts from the charm immensely. It would be a perfect example of how little things like this add up over time and slowly but surely kill a game.

Goodbye charm
Hello Zo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Weberda

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

So on ESO live tonight it seems ZOS announced that Motifs would indeed eventually come to the Crown Store.

Sadly this reminds me much of SWTOR and what killed that game for me, all the important items you wanted were moved to the store instead of taking meaningful gameplay to achieve.

LOL, what was "meaningful" about relog farming the banks? Because that was how I got all my motifs, including the purple ones, and it was BORING.

The Imperial motif was sold for cash from day one, so I don't see the big deal.

Exactly. And now they drop all over the place. The regular blues I put in the guild store for 200g. They last about 10 minutes. I sold a deadric in the store for 12k. If and when I run across any of the other so-called "rare" ones I wouldn't price them above 15k.

Rydik

46$ for Imperia and Dwemer motif!? You crazy!?
Prices in shop become more crazy with every update...

Turelus

I think my favourite part is them keeping it all hush hush until it's ready for live. If you give your players only a couple of days notice to rage about it you don't have to give into the pressure right?

I guess my thoughts about ZOS turning around and listening to the community was wrong. What's that old marketing thing, push the customers until you find the line where they really quit, then back step and keep poking at the line moving it forwards a little each time.