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1.6 PvP sorc testing/results, by Teargrants [Updated with video]

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    Valnas wrote: »
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    One note to add: the "instant" cast on Crystal

    shards is now actually instant.

    there is still that annoying global cooldown after an instant cast frag. i was hoping it would be gone for 1.6, but its not. this is the main reason people dont use it for pve as well, get rid of that global cooldown and people may stop feeling like they are forced to use destro staff.

    They also added a delay to encase (stealth nerf!). Now encase casts that purple haze on the ground, and ~1 second later people in the purple haze get snared. So you can't run around and snatch people with it like you used to be able to (it's very hard to hit running people with it now).


    agreed. i was casting it at a nb who was w/i 5 meters of me, i'd streak right behind and fire it, no encase, over and over as he jsut ran out of it right on top of it.
    thats nothing new - its the same on life currently.
    a target running away from you is nearly impossible to be affected. youl have to streak trhough them and make them run into encase due to the effect delay.
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    One note to add: the "instant" cast on Crystal shards is now actually instant.

    there is still that annoying global cooldown after an instant cast frag. i was hoping it would be gone for 1.6, but its not. this is the main reason people dont use it for pve as well, get rid of that global cooldown and people may stop feeling like they are forced to use destro staff.
    I was able to weave in regular attacks on the PTS yesterday whereas I can not do that on live.
    Edited by Joy_Division on January 28, 2015 6:36PM
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    One note to add: the "instant" cast on Crystal shards is now actually instant.

    there is still that annoying global cooldown after an instant cast frag. i was hoping it would be gone for 1.6, but its not. this is the main reason people dont use it for pve as well, get rid of that global cooldown and people may stop feeling like they are forced to use destro staff.
    I was able to weave in regular attacks on the PTS yesterday whereas I can not do that on live.

    Yeah I noticed this as well. Makes a noticeable difference.
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    Tankqull wrote: »
    Valnas wrote: »
    Jahosefat wrote: »
    One note to add: the "instant" cast on Crystal

    shards is now actually instant.

    there is still that annoying global cooldown after an instant cast frag. i was hoping it would be gone for 1.6, but its not. this is the main reason people dont use it for pve as well, get rid of that global cooldown and people may stop feeling like they are forced to use destro staff.

    They also added a delay to encase (stealth nerf!). Now encase casts that purple haze on the ground, and ~1 second later people in the purple haze get snared. So you can't run around and snatch people with it like you used to be able to (it's very hard to hit running people with it now).


    agreed. i was casting it at a nb who was w/i 5 meters of me, i'd streak right behind and fire it, no encase, over and over as he jsut ran out of it right on top of it.
    thats nothing new - its the same on life currently.
    a target running away from you is nearly impossible to be affected. youl have to streak trhough them and make them run into encase due to the effect delay.

    It is a longer delay on PTS than live. It was difficult before, near impossible now.
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    Im not weaving in light attacks but if that is the quicker way to get rid of that 2 second global Cooldown between crystal frag and instant casts I'll give it a shot.
    Edited by cozmon3c_ESO on January 28, 2015 7:34PM
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    Tankqull wrote: »
    Valnas wrote: »
    Jahosefat wrote: »
    One note to add: the "instant" cast on Crystal

    shards is now actually instant.

    there is still that annoying global cooldown after an instant cast frag. i was hoping it would be gone for 1.6, but its not. this is the main reason people dont use it for pve as well, get rid of that global cooldown and people may stop feeling like they are forced to use destro staff.

    They also added a delay to encase (stealth nerf!). Now encase casts that purple haze on the ground, and ~1 second later people in the purple haze get snared. So you can't run around and snatch people with it like you used to be able to (it's very hard to hit running people with it now).


    agreed. i was casting it at a nb who was w/i 5 meters of me, i'd streak right behind and fire it, no encase, over and over as he jsut ran out of it right on top of it.
    thats nothing new - its the same on life currently.
    a target running away from you is nearly impossible to be affected. youl have to streak trhough them and make them run into encase due to the effect delay.


    I played around with encase again on live a few weeks ago and ran into this problem before I shelved the skill again. If the skill will not reliably do what the tooltip states it does, it's worthless.
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    Just a thought I'd like to throw out there, has anyone found a reasonable build to make use of the stam morph of dark exchange?

    One would assume it's intended to help stam builds, but as a stam build how the hell are you supposed to use a channeled ability to regen stam since you won't have the resources to blink out of range. The only thing I canthink of would be to run it with immovable. By that's still 4 seconds your standing there doing 0 dps after which you have no magicka.

    Any thoughts?
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    Teargrants wrote: »
    Just a thought I'd like to throw out there, has anyone found a reasonable build to make use of the stam morph of dark exchange?

    One would assume it's intended to help stam builds, but as a stam build how the hell are you supposed to use a channeled ability to regen stam since you won't have the resources to blink out of range. The only thing I canthink of would be to run it with immovable. By that's still 4 seconds your standing there doing 0 dps after which you have no magicka.

    Any thoughts?

    Nope. The stam version of dark exchange needs to be instant cast magicka cost for stamina gain. Stam sorcs need a way to sustain stamina badly, and this is the only way. A channel without the liberal use of bolt escape is useless.
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    Teargrants wrote: »
    Just a thought I'd like to throw out there, has anyone found a reasonable build to make use of the stam morph of dark exchange?

    One would assume it's intended to help stam builds, but as a stam build how the hell are you supposed to use a channeled ability to regen stam since you won't have the resources to blink out of range. The only thing I canthink of would be to run it with immovable. By that's still 4 seconds your standing there doing 0 dps after which you have no magicka.

    Any thoughts?

    Nope. The stam version of dark exchange needs to be instant cast magicka cost for stamina gain. Stam sorcs need a way to sustain stamina badly, and this is the only way. A channel without the liberal use of bolt escape is useless.
    Yeah, I would think an instant cast mag drain over time for a health/stam HoT. Sorcs would have a self heal + stam sustain, even at that with the total magicka cost it would literally be the most expensive heal in the game.
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    Can try throwing in a Boundless Storm to help kite while channeling.
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    Update:
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    What a coincidence, I just got done playing some Smash4
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    NotSo wrote: »
    What a coincidence, I just got done playing some Smash4
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    Do you feel dark exchange is needed on your bar? Mines might really help you vs Melee players.
    I did really enjoy the new destro dot too.
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    I'm not running a dueling build, what you see is my normal pvp build. Dark Exchange is for kiting zergs. I've toyed around w/ putting Mines on, don't particularly like it w/ my playstyle in 1.6. Against melee now I'm just blinking way away and trying to stay out of gap closer range as much as possible. Mines would just be conflicting with that, either I try to stay around Mines to make them useful, but then gimp myself as far as kiting goes, or I ignore them and kite freely, making Mines just a magicka dump basically. If I was actually trying to spec for dueling, I'd prolly put it on the bar, but my goal isn't to iron out a good dueling build, it's to fine tweak my roaming/solo/smallman build.
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    Great Videos!

    It seems like the Disorent off Streak is unblockable? As a Sorc who uses that skill, i really hope this is a bug and does not make it into live game. That would be beyond ridiculously stupid if they do. I am all about buffing the skill slightly(maybe 25% cost increase instead of 50% and remove mana regen penalty) but making Steak Unblockable is not exactly what i had in mind when i made my long Sorc Thread a few mnths ago :(
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    Teargrants wrote: »
    I'm not running a dueling build, what you see is my normal pvp build. Dark Exchange is for kiting zergs. I've toyed around w/ putting Mines on, don't particularly like it w/ my playstyle in 1.6. Against melee now I'm just blinking way away and trying to stay out of gap closer range as much as possible. Mines would just be conflicting with that, either I try to stay around Mines to make them useful, but then gimp myself as far as kiting goes, or I ignore them and kite freely, making Mines just a magicka dump basically. If I was actually trying to spec for dueling, I'd prolly put it on the bar, but my goal isn't to iron out a good dueling build, it's to fine tweak my roaming/solo/smallman build.

    Interesting. I´ve never used dark exchange for kiting. I just gulp on my tripots and do some sprint exercise between teleports :)

    Destructive Reach and/or mages fury might come in handy though.
    Edited by Derra on January 30, 2015 1:36PM
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    Great Videos!

    It seems like the Disorent off Streak is unblockable? As a Sorc who uses that skill, i really hope this is a bug and does not make it into live game. That would be beyond ridiculously stupid if they do. I am all about buffing the skill slightly(maybe 25% cost increase instead of 50% and remove mana regen penalty) but making Steak Unblockable is not exactly what i had in mind when i made my long Sorc Thread a few mnths ago :(
    The disorient is 100% unblockable, I'm told all dissorients are unblockable now, basically working just like Fear. It makes Streak sorcs very powerful in dueling, all they need is a split second between Immovable rotations and they get free hits/regen time. As a BoL sorc, it doesn't change much for me, I just keep my blink timing tighter and shields up 100%, but other classes have a harder time. Most duelers already use immovable anyways, so there's that.

    What it means for the overall meta of mass pvp is insane if it goes live in it's current form. Immovable will be absolute 100% required not just for the Negate meta, but for all levels of Cyrodiil combat - unless you enjoy being stunned through block by sorcs just passing through every couple seconds in big fights.
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    Teargrants wrote: »
    woodsro wrote: »
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    Great Videos!

    It seems like the Disorent off Streak is unblockable? As a Sorc who uses that skill, i really hope this is a bug and does not make it into live game. That would be beyond ridiculously stupid if they do. I am all about buffing the skill slightly(maybe 25% cost increase instead of 50% and remove mana regen penalty) but making Steak Unblockable is not exactly what i had in mind when i made my long Sorc Thread a few mnths ago :(
    The disorient is 100% unblockable, I'm told all dissorients are unblockable now, basically working just like Fear. It makes Streak sorcs very powerful in dueling, all they need is a split second between Immovable rotations and they get free hits/regen time. As a BoL sorc, it doesn't change much for me, I just keep my blink timing tighter and shields up 100%, but other classes have a harder time. Most duelers already use immovable anyways, so there's that.

    What it means for the overall meta of mass pvp is insane if it goes live in it's current form. Immovable will be absolute 100% required not just for the Negate meta, but for all levels of Cyrodiil combat - unless you enjoy being stunned through block by sorcs just passing through every couple seconds in big fights.

    Well im glad i started wearing a bit of heavy armor and leveling the skill line the other day, will be taking Immovable for sure now because i wouldn't be suprised if this makes it to live.

    I tried Streak recently but went back to my trusty BOL, i prefer its defensive utility more and i tend to use it more defensibly and repositioning over offensively. I have always been a sheild stacker, so that won't change, but thanks for the tip about Immovable, i'll def level that skill up now.

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    I don't like unblockable, hard CC and the over-reliance on Immovable that it causes. Bad game mechanic is bad, imo.

    All this is going to do, is create again a ton of negative threads about BE until it gets nerfed even harder. Just as we managed to get the regen penalty removed as well.

    I still plan to milk it till they come to their senses. But I don't like the idea of unblockable disorients.Not one bit.
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    Disorient breaks on taking damage. In large fight you will probably get hit very soon after the disorient.
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    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Disorient breaks on taking damage. In large fight you will probably get hit very soon after the disorient.

    And? It has always been like that.

    Yet I vividly remember 3 months back when Streak was uncapped and every big guild had 2-3 dedicated Streakers that would just pinball around dropping 5-6 Negates in every fight. I know cause I was one of them.

    The ult generation might no longer be there, but now that it ignores block the pinball-Sorcing is going to be back with a vengeance. Especially as the magicka regen penalty has been lifted.

    The fact that it breaks on damage means nothing if you get stunned every second by a Sorc who's purpose built for sustain to just keep stunning while his mates do all the damage.

    It's going to be infuriating, mark my words.
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    So Sorcerors aren't completly useless for 1.6 groupfights. Cool!
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    Streak + Daedric tomb + charged atronarch = DK easy mode kills (if they are running the old meta and are thirsty for sorc blood).

    Daedric tomb is bugged right now though; if you pop it off in a stacked group the world begins shaking as though the horsemen of the apocalypse are dancing on your head.
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    Teargrants wrote: »
    Update:
    New vid, this time duoing w/ our NB around WRX's group, King Richard jumped in to help too.

    Entropy was so underused before by sorcs... I wonder how many will use it now?
    Formerly @Persian_Princess .. Now @Asgari
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