Templar 1.6 Discussion

Rev Rielle

ZOS said themselves when it comes to balance they'd rather improve one skill instead of reducing another, so with that in mind I don't really understand the change to the Restoring Light passive Mending.

timidobserver

Rev Rielle wrote: »

ZOS said themselves when it comes to balance they'd rather improve one skill instead of reducing another, so with that in mind I don't really understand the change to the Restoring Light passive Mending.

I agree, but I'd have to take a look at the champion system before I can make a definitive statement. I need to see if there is anything that increases your critical healing. Sadly my pts download slowed down at 80%.

TheKıngIsBack

jdroebuck1b6_ESO Thank you for information.

I don't want to change my entire build on Stamina + Weapon Power for DPS. If i wanted to play Stamina build i'll prob. look into DK or NB. This change completely ruining my DPS output + rotation.

At least make it scale from highest attribute only. I don't want either %60 damage boost or %25 cost reduction. I just want to scale it from magicka + spell power only. Just make it optional for stamina builds. Please not ruin Magicka builds. This change kinda forces me like "if you want to play as DPS go Stamina"

I'm real sad.

jdroebuckb16_ESO

So - I think they buffed up puncturing strikes so if you want to stay on magicka you still can and use that morph. You then have to decide on the utility of healing versus the new buff associated with biting.

If you have built around biting jabs and geared up for magicka/spell power though then you do need a rethink as it stands right now, as your DPS will drop massively if you have a low weapon power.

scottub17_ESO17

Mending change is just a small nerf, nothing to worry about.
Old: +30% crit = 15% more healing output
New: +10% healing = 10% more healing output

Crits dont give ulti anymore so its basically just a 5% healing nerf on low HP targets.

TheKıngIsBack

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

So - I think they buffed up puncturing strikes so if you want to stay on magicka you still can and use that morph. You then have to decide on the utility of healing versus the new buff associated with biting.

If you have built around biting jabs and geared up for magicka/spell power though then you do need a rethink as it stands right now, as your DPS will drop massively if you have a low weapon power.

Indeed this is totally ruining my dps output, my build, rotation simply everything. Healing morph is kinda cool but for PvE but useless in PvP for sure. Also i think there is still %70 crit. chance (low hp targets) on biting jabs or maybe replaced with Major Savagery Buff ? Dunno.

Either way new scaling system just drive me mad. I hope they are make it scale from highest attribute at least.

meistermeuchler1b16_ESO

and whats up with the solar barrage morph (solar flare ability)? i have not seen a templar using this skill like ever...
we don´t need a useless aoe. please give us something meaningfull...

timidobserver

meistermeuchler1b16_ESO wrote: »

and whats up with the solar barrage morph (solar flare ability)? i have not seen a templar using this skill like ever...
we don´t need a useless aoe. please give us something meaningfull...

EDIt: Nevermind, your right.

timidobserver

I finally got into the PTS. Radiant Oppression is NICE, but I wonder if they considered that it would be nigh useless on the highest of endgame content. Having full magicka on the Serpent in Sanctum Ophidia would probably lead to your death.

Radiant Aura is actually worse than the description indicates. If you cast it you do not get the major buffs. Only your group members get it. You are stuck with the minor buffs.

Roselle

Looking at Spear Shards and its morphs on 1.6 - it seems like the synergy of Luminous Shards doesn't seem to be as powerful as Blazing Spear (Luminous keeps pre-1.6 stat gain while Blazing Spear's stam over time is over 1k) - intended or no?

Animal_Mother

I would be complaining that some of our class abilities changed from using magicka to stamina. Being a stamina-based Templar, I typically reserve magicka skills for openers or self-preservation. However, none of the morphs I choose changed to using stamina.

I am going to miss Blinding Flashes.

Cinbri

Still one of the best things- Evil Hunter now procs by channel or dot, so jabs and (possibly) Blazing Spear will proc it. 1 more usefull skill for pvp templars. I awaited it for so long.

Vilestride

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-Im glad they finally fixed focused charge so that it won't CC me longer than the person I hit with it.

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Hahaha, I laughed way to much at this simple because its so true. Not sure if this is just the internal cooldown of the charge, or the fact that it bugs out and locks you in the charge motion FOREVER haha. hopefully fixing the cooldown will fix the animation bug.

anyway, best change I have heard so far because apart from that I love this skill.

COULD use maybe a little longer on the knockdown

Sasky

Mainly just looked at numbers so far, but one major balance comment:

While Nova may have had a slight damage increase, it's now inferior in most ways to Meteor.

Meteor numbers on left, nova on right. Rank 4 for base, Rank 1 for morphs.
Ultimate Cost: 200 vs 300
Spike Damage: 5421 up front vs 3006 on synergy
--- with morphs: 5965 (ice) vs 5261 (prison)

Over Time Damage: 1727/s vs 1551/s
Over Time Length: 10s vs 9.6s (with enduring rays)

Snare: 85% (ice) vs 62-5% (disturbance)
Snare Duration: 5s vs 9.6s (while inside)

Hard CC: Immediate knockback vs Stun on synergy (2.5s base / 5s prison)

Unique: 9 ultimate/mob (ice) vs 30% damage reduction (all nova)

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Sure, they don't like to look at skills 1-to-1 between classes, but they should compare ultimates, especially when both are accessible. In short, why would someone pick nova over meteor? Is it only trials for the damage reduction?

Khivas_Carrick

From my amount of time on the PTS, this thread is what I took from it. Please read it and point others out to it. The more popular a thread, the more likely it gets looked at.


http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/148683/a-day-of-public-testing-1-28-15#latest

danovic

meistermeuchler1b16_ESO wrote: »

and whats up with the solar barrage morph (solar flare ability)? i have not seen a templar using this skill like ever...
we don´t need a useless aoe. please give us something meaningfull...

I use it constantly its an impulse spell with greater range and gives your next attack a bonus. So you have impulse without the need to carry a staff.

Deltia

The new execute ability is game breaking in PvP. Three Jesus Beams locking down a player is insta death. I would like it to be changed to 30% and a little less damage. Other than that, Templars are in a good place.

Robbmrp

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

From my amount of time on the PTS, this thread is what I took from it. Please read it and point others out to it. The more popular a thread, the more likely it gets looked at.


http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/148683/a-day-of-public-testing-1-28-15#latest

I read that post and agree with everything in it. There were some great suggestions that could help Templar changes a lot!

Darklord_Tiberius

meistermeuchler1b16_ESO wrote: »

and whats up with the solar barrage morph (solar flare ability)? i have not seen a templar using this skill like ever...
we don´t need a useless aoe. please give us something meaningfull...

This skill is awesome, if you cant figure out why, than that's your bad lol

Dagoth_Rac

TheKıngIsBack wrote: »

jdroebuck1b6_ESO Thank you for information.

I don't want to change my entire build on Stamina + Weapon Power for DPS. If i wanted to play Stamina build i'll prob. look into DK or NB. This change completely ruining my DPS output + rotation.

At least make it scale from highest attribute only. I don't want either %60 damage boost or %25 cost reduction. I just want to scale it from magicka + spell power only. Just make it optional for stamina builds. Please not ruin Magicka builds. This change kinda forces me like "if you want to play as DPS go Stamina"

I'm real sad.

Biting Jabs is only good for crit increase on low health targets. The other morph, Puncturing Sweeps (which still scales off magicka + spell power) is better as long as target is not low health. But when target gets low health now, a magicka Templar will want to use the new Radiant Destruction skill, not Biting Jabs. So even if Biting Jabs was still magicka, it would be inferior DPS to Radiant Destruction.

Mettaricana

for my dps layout templar got whole lot better for me

Khivas_Carrick

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

TheKıngIsBack wrote: »

jdroebuck1b6_ESO Thank you for information.

I don't want to change my entire build on Stamina + Weapon Power for DPS. If i wanted to play Stamina build i'll prob. look into DK or NB. This change completely ruining my DPS output + rotation.

At least make it scale from highest attribute only. I don't want either %60 damage boost or %25 cost reduction. I just want to scale it from magicka + spell power only. Just make it optional for stamina builds. Please not ruin Magicka builds. This change kinda forces me like "if you want to play as DPS go Stamina"

I'm real sad.

Biting Jabs is only good for crit increase on low health targets. The other morph, Puncturing Sweeps (which still scales off magicka + spell power) is better as long as target is not low health. But when target gets low health now, a magicka Templar will want to use the new Radiant Destruction skill, not Biting Jabs. So even if Biting Jabs was still magicka, it would be inferior DPS to Radiant Destruction.

Actually Biting Jabs has changed, and after using it you gain Major Savagery for 8 seconds now. Also hits a little harder than Uppercut now too, although it costs a little more. Basically, it's super viable for DPS now.

Animal_Mother

Purifying Light's (Backlash morph) health pool is still very buggy. Sometimes it appears; sometimes its doesn't whether the mob it was cast on was on a slope or flat terrain. Sometimes, if the healing pool does appear, it immediately disappears - so unreliable.

I do like that it is instant cast, Backlash is much more useful now.

Joy_Division

scottub17_ESO17 wrote: »

Mending change is just a small nerf, nothing to worry about.
Old: +30% crit = 15% more healing output
New: +10% healing = 10% more healing output

Crits dont give ulti anymore so its basically just a 5% healing nerf on low HP targets.

Law of averages = / = balance.

A low health target in 1.5 WILL get critically healed and receive 150% the base heal of a breathe of life.

A low health target in 1.6 MIGHT get critically healed and instead will sometimes be looking at a 110% base heal of breathe of life.

As a healer and the healee, I'd much prefer the former

Dagoth_Rac

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Actually Biting Jabs has changed, and after using it you gain Major Savagery for 8 seconds now. Also hits a little harder than Uppercut now too, although it costs a little more. Basically, it's super viable for DPS now.

Oh, I agree it is viable for stamina DPS Templar. But magicka DPS Templars were freaking out. i think magicka DPS Templars will be fine because the new Radiant Destruction skill is a magicka based execute and can take the place of what you were using Biting Jabs for in your current builds.

ZoM_Head

TheKıngIsBack wrote: »

jdroebuck1b6_ESO Thank you for information.

I don't want to change my entire build on Stamina + Weapon Power for DPS. If i wanted to play Stamina build i'll prob. look into DK or NB. This change completely ruining my DPS output + rotation.

At least make it scale from highest attribute only. I don't want either %60 damage boost or %25 cost reduction. I just want to scale it from magicka + spell power only. Just make it optional for stamina builds. Please not ruin Magicka builds. This change kinda forces me like "if you want to play as DPS go Stamina"

I'm real sad.

Even for DKs with several DOTs now have a stamina morph "force" option.

It is clear that this is their answer to "more stamina builds", but realistically speaking it is still not going to work.

You need to understand, that blocking, roll/dodge, sneaking, breaking CC and now more healing and more class skills using stamina (and undaunted as well), is just a serious overload on stamina attributes in general. To add to this, there is NO skill that allows trade of health/magicka to stamina at all.

Magicka DPS still has a massive advantage with spell sym and might of the guild as well as the more important spell resistance (light armour), in medium you neither have enough physical resistance to last very long (which is fine) not spell resistance (passives), but since a lot of self heals (if not all self heals) are magicka based......you see where this is going.

Magicka builds will still spam elemental ring while blocking to deal much more aoe dmg and recieving less dmg (due to stamina not being used at all except for blocking while spamming a skill).

Isbilen

Deltia wrote: »

The new execute ability is game breaking in PvP. Three Jesus Beams locking down a player is insta death. I would like it to be changed to 30% and a little less damage. Other than that, Templars are in a good place.

Yeah that ability is way over the top right now. I was in a duel with a Templar earlier, and it might be because I had to create a template character and use the Aether set, but he literally just hit me with Entropy and used that skill and I was dead so fast, even while spamming Dragon Blood for a chance to survive.

Cinbri

kinda funny to hear that now when templar equalized in strength with other classes, people calling them op and dk who equalized in survivability are unplayable in pvp.

Alcast

Cyrodiil will be empty for 2 weeks, bc all DKs(90% of PvP population) have to grind up new class.

Raghul

About the Radiant destruction skill ( the "OP" finishing move every1 claims)

isn't quite as OP as people may think.

1) it has good damage if you take the radiant oppression morph wich increases the skill's damage by 40 % When at 100% magicka

2) it has a little delay when you try to cast it, it doesnt work immediatly

3) it is a channel attack wich means you can counter it so easily

people are just not used to the fact that templar can do a bit of dps now and now they actually need to change their way of fighting them and then just go cry out loud NERF TEMLPAR FINISHING MOVE!!