A Vocal Minority - And Welcome New Interested Players!

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

Grapdjan wrote: »

someuser wrote: »

95% percent of people either do not care or are happy with the B2P change? Based on what numbers or is that just your optimistic attitude (spin)??

I chose 95% as a very low estimate based on the amount of people who had voted on the weighted, but I guess most used player generated forum poll. Meaning that ESO has a population of around 16,720 people if the 826 that bothered to vote was 5% of the entire player base.

hold it... you think that the game only has 16,720 players?

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

Grapdjan wrote: »

ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »

theres a poll on the B2P transition consisting of 754 votes, of which 64% are currently against the change. 95% of those that voted are probably happily playing the game, but 64% are still not happy with the transition. yes, some are quitting and saying so. its called an emotional reaction. they are emotionally invested in a game that fit a style they preferred. now that it doesn't, they are behaving like people do- anger.

65% of a 754 people who bothered to vote, out of an extremely small segment of the ESO player base are behaving like children do - anger. The rest of the population are unaware of what is being posted on the forums as they are at work/school looking forward to playing for an hour or two later, or are happily playing away totally unconcerned about any pricing changes.

i would rather be angry than apathetic. but then your word usage doesnt really indicate you are NOT angry either.... so are you the pot or the kettle?

His words, if you didnt have reading comprehension issues, indicate his personal opinion on the change doesnt drive him to throw temper tantrums.

The funny thing about all of this is when anyone decides not to join your raging townsfolk riot you decide THEY must be the enemy and attack. Why would ANYONE with a sense of control want to join in on that?

i would tell you what i really thought of you but the mods will pull it. because if you read the forms you would have seen i didnt state my stance as to either way. get stuffed

Joejudas

I'm taking this stance....we shall see going forward....encourage people to play....and I feel terrible for my friends that feel betrayed and leave the game.

BlueIllyrian

Joejudas wrote: »

I'm taking this stance....we shall see going forward....encourage people to play....and I feel terrible for my friends that feel betrayed and leave the game.

You have no voice, and the only way forward is F2P / P2W, what are you goign to do? Encourage them to spend at cash shop or maybe buy the game they had little to no interest to play before.

In case you haven't noticed, game purchase was coming with 1 month free sub to try it. Those who didn't buy it then won't buy it now and those who did will come for free expecting somebody else pads their bills.

purple-magicb16_ESO

I want to say a heart-felt thank you to those that recognize that us "subbers" have been snubbed and feel betrayed and taken advantage of. My intention is not to ruin anyone's experience but rather to let people know that ESO did exist prior to becoming b2p (or p2w if u will) and that the development of the final 'free' product they are using was not free. I do think the upside to this is the fresh player base and look forawrd to and encourage that. I see this as ESO's rebirth and still hold hope for the future. To all my sub brothers and sisters: please hang in there, I still think its worth it. Together we can still make this a great mmo.

Merlin13KAGL

DDuke wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

Totally agree with OP.

Welcome, new players who are interested!

At this point, all the haters are just holding back the game from its potential by spewing out negativity. Happy to see this game move forward to a more modern business model, because that's what it takes these days, like it or not.

WoW would like a word with you (still P2P).

That's because WoW is just feeding off of its historical popularity. The fact that WoW is alive under an archaic business model is just the same as how counter strike 1.6 is still alive under archaic graphics. That is, it says nothing about games that are newly developed today.

Some companies just stay reputable & don't cash out for the console money, while others do.

It says there are still people appreciating subscription model (aren't these forums a proof of it?).

In fact, when I browse comments about new MMOs (which I do often these days ), I see more & more people saying they won't play the game if it doesn't have subscription fee (because that implies the game will have quality).

Of course, F2P/B2P models are more popular currently (as gaming in general is getting more popular), which means there's a lot of people new to gaming that simply don't know better (having never played a good subscription game).

They see B2P/F2P as the "norm", and never bother learn of the benefits of P2P. Money hungry companies are sure to take advantage of that.

I don't know, @DDuke , seems to me any company making 105 million dollars a month obviously doesn't know what they're doing.

What (part of many things) @Aeratus doesn't grasp is that this game wouldn't exist in its current form if not for the "historical popularity" of the series it owes its lineage to - the same one it's certainly damaging in the process.

Most didn't come here to try out a new MMO. There are half a dozen at any given time. Most came here to try out an ES MMO.

Like it or not, that comes with some pretty high expectations, regarding quality, service and integrity to your very loyal customer base.

It's not about the sub, or the lack thereof. It's about the lessening of the entire entity that is more than likely to follow.

Businesses make decisions all the time, but when you sell out, you sell out. Expect to be prepared for the backlash that follows, and you damn sure better be able to deliver on what you've stated the "community wants."

eventide03b14a_ESO

Aeratus wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

Totally agree with OP.

Welcome, new players who are interested!

At this point, all the haters are just holding back the game from its potential by spewing out negativity. Happy to see this game move forward to a more modern business model, because that's what it takes these days, like it or not.

WoW would like a word with you (still P2P).

That's because WoW is just feeding off of its historical popularity. The fact that WoW is alive under an archaic business model is just the same as how counter strike 1.6 is still alive under archaic graphics. That is, it says nothing about games that are newly developed today.

ESO could have the same success if they had stuck to the TES game-play. Instead what they did is create another generic MMO and superficially added TES mechanics. They did a good job with the lore and art but the game mechanics are rudimentary and the inclusion of classes is just stupid. You can't understand how disappointed I was when I realized that there was so little skill required to do anything. Block casting is a terrible mechanic, draining stamina to sneak doesn't make any sense, all of the class abilities rely on magicka making stamina even less viable. I absolutely HATE the themepark decision that we basically have to no choice but to participate in, not once, but three times, for each alt. This game is lazy, uninspired, and an insult to the franchise. I wouldn't even care about the latest decision to have this "crown store" if I didn't think that the game will further lose it's integrity. Every time I think they are heading the right direction they manage to implement another bad idea.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO

What I do not understand is if this community is representative of the industry as a whole or just specific to ESO.

Let me explain. For players that have been following MMOs for more than a couple years, you'd have to be living under a rock to not understand how destructive the f2p model is.
Yet, on this forums we see players saying that "we do not know how it will end" and that "staying subed will be the same thing".

I follow the game closely both here and on reddit, and it feels that ESO has a lot of first time MMOers. And it is most likely specific to ESO because it brought into the genre a lot of Skyrim fans that never played online.
This is great and could have been full of potential to make something seminal, yet unfortunately, this means ESO will be their first MMO broken heart.

Then again, it could be global to the industry too, since times after times, you still have people buying into the whole b2p/f2p concept.

Either way, even if you were to not know that f2p ruins games, you'd have to be an heck of an apologist to defend Zenimax's turncoat behavior.

We were sold pre-launch the idea that this game would remain subscription only and that they'd rather shutdown than changing models.
And now they are coming forward and telling us that they are making us a favor by switching? And that we asked for it?

This is insulting.

And it is especially sadening when you realize that this is a very bad business decision. They'll make a quick short term cash grab, but they just forfeited any potential of becoming a long term cash cow.

Jahosefat

The_Great_Maldini wrote: »

Jahosefat wrote: »

Grapdjan wrote: »

Exactly Kong. They leave, forums go quiet, and just get full of people asking questions for a few days while they learn the game, brilliant!

Customer service get more happy about posting on the forums as they are less worried about getting forums ambushed cos some 40 year old virgin thinks they owe him personally a copy of the patch notes for something they are still working on.

We get more people to play with who are actually fun, via B2P, and more people to sell stuff to, group with, kill in pop and so on.

We get fun stuff that we can spend cash on to show those guys who sit at home on the dole playing ESO 20 hours a day the benefits of getting a job and contributing to society! it's a win win!!

People being worried about this is not frivolous; it is pattern recognition based on experience with other games. Traditionaly this sort of transition has not been a good thing, but just a way to extend the death of a failing game. That is why people are upset, not because they don't want to pay (or because they don't have jobs, very presumptuous there buddy many probably have better jobs than you!).

That is a very gross assumption. You have no idea what he does for work, nor does he know what others do.

Just a little reciprocation