Seriously I couldn't really care less about what mode ESO chooses to have. As long as there's no pay-to-win and I get to play a quality game, I'm fine with any model. I'm definitely sticking around when ESO goes B2P. But come on guys, why are you all so saddened? In fact you should be happy, this could bring in a HUGE wave of players as well as more positivity! If you're worried about the cash shop, remember that it WON'T be selling pay-to-win items! How can a silly costume or an XP booster give you any significant advantage over another player? Especially considering that everyone is boosted to the same level in PvP plus vet ranks are being removed, too.
Also don't forget that even the mighty WoW is approaching the F2P model (We all know it's coming some day, WoW has been hemorrhaging subs for years. There are signs of its coming in WoD with the F2P veteran's edition.).
xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Cash shop doesn't mean pay to win...SWTOR has a cash shop, It is not pay to win in terms of if I spent a 1000 in the shop i'll just be a 1000 times more powerful then you.
Now there are games that are Pay to Win, ArcheAge for example..and that *** Russian MMO (can't think of it off the top of my head.)
But Cash Shops doesn't automatically mean P2W
SuraklinPrime wrote: »4. All the promised 'delayed' content like Wrothgar, Imperial City, new Guilds and housing will be ticked behind a paywall - and you all know that 1,500 crowns per month from a Plus sub will not get you all the content they deem to be optional.
Yes. Personally I am trying to stay optimistic. They have said that there will not be gear or weapons in the shop, but they also said this is a subscription game. Its not that they are lieing, there will not be any weapons or armor in the crown shop now.. But even they don't know what could happen a year from now.
xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Cash shop doesn't mean pay to win...SWTOR has a cash shop, It is not pay to win in terms of if I spent a 1000 in the shop i'll just be a 1000 times more powerful then you.
Now there are games that are Pay to Win, ArcheAge for example..and that *** Russian MMO (can't think of it off the top of my head.)
But Cash Shops doesn't automatically mean P2W
It doesn't mean pay to win, but it does usually mean that besides what exists in the game. Most of the development post f2p goes toward the cash shop. This means that if you want any decent looking armor post f2p you are going to have to buy the look. One thing I can see being put on the shop are motifs for special looks.
Most of the armor looks in swtor that weren't in the shop were horrible. Like they put their worst designers on the in game stuff and the best designers on the shop
I couldn't agree more with the OP. I see this as a positive move.
Unfortunately, a lot of players don't appreciate the distinction between F2P (bad) and B2P (not so bad), and obsession with P2W is very much a PvP issue and therefore doesn't impact on me as I have no interest in PvP. I doubt very much, however, that ZOS intend to make a mess of that aspect and if the game is adopting the same model as TSW - which it looks like doing - then it can only be a good thing for its long-term survival and growth. Freeloaders won't like it because it isn't going pure F2P and they'll be caught by some restrictions in terms of the DLC, but so what?
This.SuraklinPrime wrote: »1. Because ZOS lied.
2. Because we've been paying to beta test for a year.
3. Because if they sneak in Crowns for XP boosters it will be P2W with the new CP for XP system being implemented.
4. All the promised 'delayed' content like Wrothgar, Imperial City, new Guilds and housing will be ticked behind a paywall - and you all know that 1,500 crowns per month from a Plus sub will not get you all the content they deem to be optional.
5. And because ZOS lied.
SuraklinPrime wrote: »4. All the promised 'delayed' content like Wrothgar, Imperial City, new Guilds and housing will be ticked behind a paywall - and you all know that 1,500 crowns per month from a Plus sub will not get you all the content they deem to be optional.
You get the additional content free with a sub, the monthly crown allowance is for other stuff.
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »People are getting upset because they arent bothering to go look over or listen/watch the information that has been released today. Theyre jumping to the conclusion the game will crumble with the change.
But if anyone watched the ESO Live. Theyll know that what we have in the current game isnt going anywhere. Things arent being dumbed down. The only change is that F2P Gamers will be coming into the game and for them to access areas that havent been added yet. They will have to buy the DLCs like they would of had to do with Skyrim.
tinythinker wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »People are getting upset because they arent bothering to go look over or listen/watch the information that has been released today. Theyre jumping to the conclusion the game will crumble with the change.
But if anyone watched the ESO Live. Theyll know that what we have in the current game isnt going anywhere. Things arent being dumbed down. The only change is that F2P Gamers will be coming into the game and for them to access areas that havent been added yet. They will have to buy the DLCs like they would of had to do with Skyrim.
Some people dread the new players, but more seem worried that just because the cash shops and sub/pay content seems mostly cosmetic *now*, this will slowly change over time to become "pay to win". Another larger concern people are expressing is that development of cash shop vanity items will overshadow playable content and lead to less frequent, less fun/challenging new material. I can't say what will happen, but this is mostly what people are worried about.
Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »tinythinker wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »People are getting upset because they arent bothering to go look over or listen/watch the information that has been released today. Theyre jumping to the conclusion the game will crumble with the change.
But if anyone watched the ESO Live. Theyll know that what we have in the current game isnt going anywhere. Things arent being dumbed down. The only change is that F2P Gamers will be coming into the game and for them to access areas that havent been added yet. They will have to buy the DLCs like they would of had to do with Skyrim.
Some people dread the new players, but more seem worried that just because the cash shops and sub/pay content seems mostly cosmetic *now*, this will slowly change over time to become "pay to win". Another larger concern people are expressing is that development of cash shop vanity items will overshadow playable content and lead to less frequent, less fun/challenging new material. I can't say what will happen, but this is mostly what people are worried about.
Being a Free Player does not indicate they are horrible gamers. That being able to pay a sub means its keeping out the riff-raff. Money does not prevent riff-raff. Never has never will.
As for the Cash Shop. Yes at first theres nothing but vanity. And yes theres a solid chance there will be slightly advantagous items added.
If they stick to the way SWTOR has done their store. Theyll be fine. You wont see anything in the store, stats wise, that you wont be able to get in game. It might have a different color or a diffent visual. But it wont pull anything that something that is a in-game equivilant wont be able to provide.
My perspective is similar to yours, @Neizir. Cheers!
I do understand why people feel like they were used, paying for a beta test.
However... if this had all been a free beta all along, then ZoS wouldn't have gotten all of the feedback from players that has helped to shape the game, and I think we can all agree that the game has been steadily improving.
adamastorx wrote: »MMORPG used to be virtual worlds, nowadays they're getting similar to smartphone games.