Date for 1.6 - You're rapidly running out of time Zenimax

Korah_Eaglecry

Artemiisia wrote: »

I actually wondering more about how long it will be on PTS after release, a update this big probably needs some if not lots of testing to see if its ready to go live.

So im starting to think late February before it goes live

At the least this update will require about a months worth of testing.

Stonesthrow

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Which is why it should already be on PTS. This is already months late. By the time it hits live we are looking at early summer most likely. By the time they finally push this live they will have been talking about it for a good 33% of the game's entire history. Yet we are told we are wanting them to "rush".

Holy Hyperbole Batman!

So you are calling for late June to early July for 1.6 to hit Live?

Flynch

I'm sort of confused as to why this is an issue. Surely it's simply a question of time - and if you feel that the game currently isn't worth the sub, but the next massive update will be (which i'm sure of) then why not just cancel your subs and wait it out?

Quite literally, the only thing you're losing out on is a bit of cash. And that's under your control anyway.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Stonesthrow wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Which is why it should already be on PTS. This is already months late. By the time it hits live we are looking at early summer most likely. By the time they finally push this live they will have been talking about it for a good 33% of the game's entire history. Yet we are told we are wanting them to "rush".

Holy Hyperbole Batman!

So you are calling for late June to early July for 1.6 to hit Live?

If they keep delaying it. I fully expect them to say its been delayed on the PTS until late feb. Then talking at least 6 weeks of testing puts it at april at the earliest. Thats IF they dont find anything major. The fact is they will find something major with an update this big. So then back to testing again and putting everything through the approval process. Another about 4-6 weeks. Now we are in may / early june.

Ahdora

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Which is why it should already be on PTS. This is already months late. By the time it hits live we are looking at early summer most likely. By the time they finally push this live they will have been talking about it for a good 33% of the game's entire history. Yet we are told we are wanting them to "rush".

Holy Hyperbole Batman!

So you are calling for late June to early July for 1.6 to hit Live?

If they keep delaying it. I fully expect them to say its been delayed on the PTS until late feb. Then talking at least 6 weeks of testing puts it at april at the earliest. Thats IF they dont find anything major. The fact is they will find something major with an update this big. So then back to testing again and putting everything through the approval process. Another about 4-6 weeks. Now we are in may / early june.

Man, you're super optimistic in general, huh?

This just reads a bit "doomsday" to me, man.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Flynch wrote: »

I'm sort of confused as to why this is an issue. Surely it's simply a question of time - and if you feel that the game currently isn't worth the sub, but the next massive update will be (which i'm sure of) then why not just cancel your subs and wait it out?

Quite literally, the only thing you're losing out on is a bit of cash. And that's under your control anyway.

Honestly Im to this point now. How long are we supposed to keep paying and wait for this update? I guess if thats what they were trying to do (get people to cancel subs) then they are succeeding.

spryler

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

someuser wrote: »

What exactly do people want ZoS to do? Release a major content package before its ready?

I said it in the first post. Give us more communication. Release the patch notes they've got, or at least the ones they are 95% sure are going in on the first iteration. Some people are equating the release of information as "this update must go live now", whereas I'm simply saying, tell us where we are at, at this point in time. Yes the patch notes will probably change, but that is expected on the test server. What major update was rolled to the test server and WASN'T changed before it went live? None of them. We know it's going to change, but it doesn't mean it can't be shared now.

I understand your point and it sounds reasonable, but look at the history of these forums.

ZOS actually does a good job communicating, responding to individual posts and taking players input into consideration regarding future content.

Having said that they have been burned multiple times recently. Statements taken out of context blow up on the forums. They release "the patch notes they've got" as you put it, and the fallout is tremendous.

You say what major update wasn't changed, implying that people expect change. Search for the word "promise" on these forums, you will see that people take early information as solid fact.

What you says makes sense, but this is a problem of our own making. Had the forums not been so completely ridiculous at times, we might have more consistent messaging.

Bouvin

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

I think they will probably push to the PTS this weekend or Monday, and then go Live around Valentine's weekend. Also, the next Loyalty reward is close by.

I don't think so, at least not in regards to going live. A patch this large honestly needs to be on the test server for at least a month before getting pushed to live. When people complain that an update goes out too early (ie with too many bugs) that is centered more around Zenimax not having it on the test server long enough. I realize they have their own internal testing group but that will never come close to having the same number of people putting it through the paces as when it goes up on the public test server.

I'm hoping they are willing to wait this one out on PTS until it's ready to go live. I'm hoping for adequate testing and bug fixes.. which on a patch this big should be at least a month and several updated to PTS.

My fear is that won't happen. They'll cave to all of the "But you said February!" on the forums and push it too fast.

Which is why it should already be on PTS. This is already months late. By the time it hits live we are looking at early summer most likely. By the time they finally push this live they will have been talking about it for a good 33% of the game's entire history. Yet we are told we are wanting them to "rush".

To be honest, I think they may have bitten off more than they can chew with 1.6.

They seriously should have stepped it out more.. like start with champion system in 1.6. Then next phase of vet removal and intro to justice system in 1.7. Then full vet removal and second phase of justice in 1.8. Then full justice in 1.9.

Sprinkle in some new content with each patch.

This would have allowed them to keep up with the "monthly" "content" while adequately testing each stage of each new system.

Instead, it's all getting tossed into one patch that's almost ESO 2.0.

If it's not obvious why a patch of this caliber is taking a while, it should be. I applaud ZOS's ambition, but it is obviously making the players very anxious, because the players know everything is going to change soon due to the hype.

As far as the "delays" would you rather they released it now, full of bugs and exploits? Or would you rather continue to be patient and have it released after adequate testing?

Seems like ZOS is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Korah_Eaglecry

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Which is why it should already be on PTS. This is already months late. By the time it hits live we are looking at early summer most likely. By the time they finally push this live they will have been talking about it for a good 33% of the game's entire history. Yet we are told we are wanting them to "rush".

Holy Hyperbole Batman!

So you are calling for late June to early July for 1.6 to hit Live?

If they keep delaying it. I fully expect them to say its been delayed on the PTS until late feb. Then talking at least 6 weeks of testing puts it at april at the earliest. Thats IF they dont find anything major. The fact is they will find something major with an update this big. So then back to testing again and putting everything through the approval process. Another about 4-6 weeks. Now we are in may / early june.

Even if they find something major. Once it hits PTS its already on its way down the shoot. Theyll release it on Live and deal with the consequences of biting off more then they could chew.

This is probably why we havent seen it on PTS. They know once its there theres no holding off on taking it to Live.

Flynch

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm sort of confused as to why this is an issue. Surely it's simply a question of time - and if you feel that the game currently isn't worth the sub, but the next massive update will be (which i'm sure of) then why not just cancel your subs and wait it out?

Quite literally, the only thing you're losing out on is a bit of cash. And that's under your control anyway.

Honestly Im to this point now. How long are we supposed to keep paying and wait for this update? I guess if thats what they were trying to do (get people to cancel subs) then they are succeeding.

Well i'm sure you're capable of understanding that they aren't trying to lose subs.

What definitely will lose them subs, is releasing a broken update (which is basically the last couple of intended updates all rolled into one) after putting all this effort into it and unfortunately over-running a deadline.

Btw - they set the deadline themselves. Not us.

Bouvin

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm sort of confused as to why this is an issue. Surely it's simply a question of time - and if you feel that the game currently isn't worth the sub, but the next massive update will be (which i'm sure of) then why not just cancel your subs and wait it out?

Quite literally, the only thing you're losing out on is a bit of cash. And that's under your control anyway.

Honestly Im to this point now. How long are we supposed to keep paying and wait for this update? I guess if thats what they were trying to do (get people to cancel subs) then they are succeeding.

It's not like the servers are offline until the update hits.

You can actually still play and enjoy what the game has to offer now.

If you aren't enjoying what the game has to offer now, then it's probably time for a break anyways. Woot! Perfect timing for a delay on ZOS's part if that's the case.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Which is why it should already be on PTS. This is already months late. By the time it hits live we are looking at early summer most likely. By the time they finally push this live they will have been talking about it for a good 33% of the game's entire history. Yet we are told we are wanting them to "rush".

Holy Hyperbole Batman!

So you are calling for late June to early July for 1.6 to hit Live?

If they keep delaying it. I fully expect them to say its been delayed on the PTS until late feb. Then talking at least 6 weeks of testing puts it at april at the earliest. Thats IF they dont find anything major. The fact is they will find something major with an update this big. So then back to testing again and putting everything through the approval process. Another about 4-6 weeks. Now we are in may / early june.

Even if they find something major. Once it hits PTS its already on its way down the shoot. Theyll release it on Live and deal with the consequences of biting off more then they could chew.

This is probably why we havent seen it on PTS. They know once its there theres no holding off on taking it to Live.

Well Ill pay them again I guess once it hits the live servers. It would be different if I could actually play the game. I feel like I will be wasting time leveling characters and playing the game just to have it all taken from me in 1.6. So Ill go back to LOTRO I guess for a couple months (hopefully thats all it takes) if this isnt on PTS by the end of Jan.

Korah_Eaglecry

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Which is why it should already be on PTS. This is already months late. By the time it hits live we are looking at early summer most likely. By the time they finally push this live they will have been talking about it for a good 33% of the game's entire history. Yet we are told we are wanting them to "rush".

Holy Hyperbole Batman!

So you are calling for late June to early July for 1.6 to hit Live?

If they keep delaying it. I fully expect them to say its been delayed on the PTS until late feb. Then talking at least 6 weeks of testing puts it at april at the earliest. Thats IF they dont find anything major. The fact is they will find something major with an update this big. So then back to testing again and putting everything through the approval process. Another about 4-6 weeks. Now we are in may / early june.

Even if they find something major. Once it hits PTS its already on its way down the shoot. Theyll release it on Live and deal with the consequences of biting off more then they could chew.

This is probably why we havent seen it on PTS. They know once its there theres no holding off on taking it to Live.

Well Ill pay them again I guess once it hits the live servers. It would be different if I could actually play the game. I feel like I will be wasting time leveling characters and playing the game just to have it all taken from me in 1.6. So Ill go back to LOTRO I guess for a couple months (hopefully thats all it takes) if this isnt on PTS by the end of Jan.

We have one more monday before its February. Is it messed up that they might wait til the last monday of the month to throw it on PTS? Sure. But after the talk on ESO Live this is when I expect to see it.

I expect to see it on Live at the very tail end of February or the first Monday of March.

Durham

The problem I have most with them taking so long is my V1 alts that are on pause ATM due to the fact I do not want to lose champ points... Almost to the point of unsubing for a month....

Heruthema

Durham wrote: »

The problem I have most with them taking so long is my V1 alts that are on pause ATM due to the fact I do not want to lose champ points... Almost to the point of unsubing for a month....

How is not waiting and playing going to lose you championship points? The most you are going to get is 70 for your account period.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Heruthema wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

The problem I have most with them taking so long is my V1 alts that are on pause ATM due to the fact I do not want to lose champ points... Almost to the point of unsubing for a month....

How is not waiting and playing going to lose you championship points? The most you are going to get is 70 for your account period.

Exactly. I already have enough XP to get all 70 points. So Ill be wasting time earning XP until this hits the live servers. The XP will not count as Ive already earned enough XP to get the 70 points. So it'll be all wasted XP with no benefit.

Stonesthrow

Durham wrote: »

The problem I have most with them taking so long is my V1 alts that are on pause ATM due to the fact I do not want to lose champ points... Almost to the point of unsubing for a month....

I am taking this opportunity to get a couple alts to VR-1 and parked at the start of Coldharbour.

And getting Provisioning up to 50 on all of them, ready for the Hireling/Writ for rares in 1.6.

Heruthema

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Heruthema wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

The problem I have most with them taking so long is my V1 alts that are on pause ATM due to the fact I do not want to lose champ points... Almost to the point of unsubing for a month....

How is not waiting and playing going to lose you championship points? The most you are going to get is 70 for your account period.

Exactly. I already have enough XP to get all 70 points. So Ill be wasting time earning XP until this hits the live servers. The XP will not count as Ive already earned enough XP to get the 70 points. So it'll be all wasted XP with no benefit.

OK I see where we differ. I play because I enjoy the game regardless of whether or not I can bank XP. I have two 14's so I am way over the top as far as the 70 CP goes. So yes if you are just playing for that extra XP and not for the enjoyment of the game than I understand why you would park you characters.

pvpaddict42

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

We have one more monday before its February. Is it messed up that they might wait til the last monday of the month to throw it on PTS? Sure. But after the talk on ESO Live this is when I expect to see it.

I expect to see it on Live at the very tail end of February or the first Monday of March.

That's sort of what I am saying in my original post. We are moving into the last week of January and they still have not announced when they are going to push the update to the PTS. This seems like there is the very real possibility of them delaying into February, otherwise why wouldn't they have announced it by this time? Delays happen, fine, but give us the communication of what's holding us up and when the new estimated time frame is instead of just saying "soon".

LonePirate

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

I actually wondering more about how long it will be on PTS after release, a update this big probably needs some if not lots of testing to see if its ready to go live.

So im starting to think late February before it goes live

At the least this update will require about a months worth of testing.

You must be new to the PTS.

Update 6 will go live when ZOS wants it to go live, regardless of how long it has been on the PTS or in what shape players think the update is in at that time.

Instead of focusing on when it will hit the PTS or live servers, we should be wondering why the date seems so uncertain and is in danger of slipping. That should worry us all.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Date for 1.6 - You're rapidly running out of time Zenimax

The world's going to end?

What the hell is this absurd deadline you're dribbling about?

pvpaddict42

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Date for 1.6 - You're rapidly running out of time Zenimax

The world's going to end?

What the hell is this absurd deadline you're dribbling about?

Try reading the rest of the thread and you'll know.

dharbert

I love this game, but due to the sheer magnitude and number of changes, 1.6 is going to be a train wreck of epic proportions. A 2-mile long train laden with nuclear waste and explosives headed for an impenetrable wall of player expectation.

Korah_Eaglecry

LonePirate wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

I actually wondering more about how long it will be on PTS after release, a update this big probably needs some if not lots of testing to see if its ready to go live.

So im starting to think late February before it goes live

At the least this update will require about a months worth of testing.

You must be new to the PTS.

Update 6 will go live when ZOS wants it to go live, regardless of how long it has been on the PTS or in what shape players think the update is in at that time.

Instead of focusing on when it will hit the PTS or live servers, we should be wondering why the date seems so uncertain and is in danger of slipping. That should worry us all.

Why are you bothering to quote me if youre not going to respond with anything relevant?

Im not ZOS. I cant speak for ZOS. But as a Gamer, and someone thats taken part in PTSes on numerous MMOs. Im predicting it will require a month to test properly. I never pretended to know if ZOS will do this.

OtarTheMad

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

I don't mind being patient while waiting for updates, but the problem with waiting so long for 1.6 (and 1.7 after) is that it is basically a huge game redesign. For that reason, many people are sort of frozen in place and do not want to progress their characters too much at this point.

Doing pretty much anything with a vr14 other than maybe PvP seems pointless since they are going to be knocked all the way back to 50. Doing Cadwell's s/g with any veteran rank character seems like it would only waste opportunities to get champion points later. And how far do you level characters that are currently under level 50?

What about crafting or acquiring vr2-14 gear, mats, and so on. Is it worth the time and effort if all that stuff is going to somehow be recalibrated back to level 50?

I'm spending most of my time in PvP these days, not because I'm a big fan of how PvP works in this game, but because there doesn't seem to be anything else worth doing for now.

^ This

As much as I love that they are taking their time and testing this internally a lot more than any other update a part of me is getting kind of bored. I just PvP with my V 14's, saving the rest of Bangkorai to get CP on one of them. Don't want to level my lowbies due to changes in skills, crit and etc.

Plus sometimes PvP is boring even despite being pop locked. Thornblade sometimes each faction owns the same keeps for hours, nothing goes under attack... just the same battles at Alessia bridge, in between the fields of Sej and BRK (with EP) and for DC usually we fight at Roe mine or in front of Nikel. Which is why I went to the other campaigns just to find some sieges/fighting.

Love that they are trying to release this with no major bugs but... for me... until this hits PTS and I know what has changed then there is not much to do.

Joejudas

The game doesnt have anything else to offer.....because currently questing is a lose of CP points....unless your saying i should force myself to run the same end game i have run 10000000 times or trying to pvp through the lag.

Tyr

tinythinker wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ahdora wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ahdora wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

They told us new content every 4-6 weeks. I dont think 1.6 even has any like new areas to quest etc right? Going to be more like 6 months between content than 6 weeks.

How are the CS and JS not new content?

Those are game systems not content. Content is like quests, dungeons etc we havent gotten anything like that since craglorn. Now it seems we wont get anything like that even with 1.7. So talking a very long time with nothing new as far as questing.

I think you may have misunderstood them when they said "new content." They certainly didn't mean new zones, dungeons, and questlines every six weeks. That isn't a sustainable model for the long haul.

Yet that was their entire reasoning for the monthly sub. They said we would have new content every 4-6 weeks. I dont think they meant constant revamps as content. If they did we are getting screwed. The justice system is not content. Its just a mini game. If they wait till 1.8 to add any new quests etc then thats just insane. They will lose a ton of players.

I suspect that Imperial City and Wrothgar had earlier internal projections for release before the decision to make the Championship System/put it on the front burner. Murkmire is also in the wings, but from what has been said is likely to be after the other two new zones.

That can't be possible because the first time we heard any real details on the phases of the champion system and wrothgar/murkmire was at Quakecon.

What actually hap[pend was they couldn't feasibly release some systems in the ORDER they intended so they had to do things like split up the Justice system release, push imperial city, etc...
At this point there is no way in hell they will be able to release everything they showed us at quakecon last year before quakecon this year and if that's not a complete failure in development flow, I don't know what is.

OrphanHelgen

Bouvin

Just gotta get this off my chest.

I hate it when gaming companies say things like "We'll release that in January" then wait until literally the last day of January to do so.

When all along in December, the player base is thinking "OMG OMG, January 1 it'll be here!"

Beside that..I'd rather see the bugs worked out before it hits PTS or Live. So I guess I'm good waiting.

someuser

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

someuser wrote: »

What exactly do people want ZoS to do? Release a major content package before its ready?

I said it in the first post. Give us more communication. Release the patch notes they've got, or at least the ones they are 95% sure are going in on the first iteration. Some people are equating the release of information as "this update must go live now", whereas I'm simply saying, tell us where we are at, at this point in time. Yes the patch notes will probably change, but that is expected on the test server. What major update was rolled to the test server and WASN'T changed before it went live? None of them. We know it's going to change, but it doesn't mean it can't be shared now.

I just don't think that's the way it works. Clearly ZoS doesn't find it necessary to keep it's registered forum users / customers in the loop... Atleast not to the degree of giving semi-regular "updates" to their major patch... Personally I'm betting they (the devs) are under a great deal of pressure right now (internally, by the man that signs the check, not the entitled forum users) to release this update AND for it to go over well from a business perspective. I mean, look at how the CU destroyed SWG. Major changes like this are never certain.

Plainly, most players don't visit these forums and there is no real pressure from ZoS to comply with any request or demand unless it suits them and their business model.