Update 6 is going to be HUGE (Over 100 pages patch notes?)

Sinbaar

When i heard ian with the 100 pages and a little after that the "crazy eyes question and gons response i couldn't help but imagine Gina at her desk, two screens, one wirh the notes, the other wit a crazy eyes npc and she is just laughing hysterically @ZOS_GinaBruno‌

Korah_Eaglecry

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Odd they re wrote the whole game less than year into launch lol

It needed done. I wish they had pushed release back till they knew what was going on though.

How would they have known? If you know anything about programming. Its not til the system has had stress placed on it that they can have any clue how things are going to react. In some cases its blind hope that things work out because theyre systems and concepts that have never been done before in a genre.

As a previous poster had stated. The Justice System in an MMO could have been the killing blow had it gone wrong. Now that the Servers are fairly stable and major bugs that chased people away from this game has been squashed. Its a better environment to release a major change to the game. The Justice System was great in Single Player ES games because there was only one player putting stress on it. Even if it had bugs it was able to perform as it was intended 99% of the time. With thousands upon thousands of players putting stress on that same system in an MMO. All sorts of whacky things could possibly happen. It would of been an even bigger disaster for Zenimax. Tons of people that would of subbed for that aspect of the game alone would of walked away. Even more could of walked away because of the possible implications those bugs had on others.

Every MMO has a teething period where it grows into the MMO its going to be for the majority of its lifecycle. Most of these teething periods are within the first year or two. Some MMOs have fairly stable launches, most dont. Even companies with years of MMO experience still trip up over launches and release content that is considered subpar. Granted there are companies that try to get over on fans of an IP by releasing an obviously underdeveloped game meant to prey or those fans. But Zenimax wasnt one of them. They may not be the greatest MMO developer out there but they are serious about providing the playerbase and the IP Fans a world that is true to the Elder Scrolls franchise. They dont always deliver and sometimes they have to go back in and fix something a couple of times to get it right. But a year in and instead of pretending theres nothing wrong with the abilities and ultimates. Theyve committed the core of an update to correcting this.

I left this game after two months of playing the game not because it wasnt fun. But for two major reasons. Bots and Gold Spammers. I wasnt happy about the VR Cadwell Silver and Gold but I could live with it. The Bots and Gold Spammers drove me nuts though. Especially when the Gold Spammers tried to 'trick' people into joining their guilds while players were out farming and grinding. Bots ran free in Coldharbor. So free that it was difficult to farm for resources or get a hit in on a boss you needed to kill. It drove me away from this game. But I never looked at the game and thought 'It needs another year'.

Messy1

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Odd they re wrote the whole game less than year into launch lol

It needed done. I wish they had pushed release back till they knew what was going on though.

How would they have known? If you know anything about programming. Its not til the system has had stress placed on it that they can have any clue how things are going to react. In some cases its blind hope that things work out because theyre systems and concepts that have never been done before in a genre.

As a previous poster had stated. The Justice System in an MMO could have been the killing blow had it gone wrong. Now that the Servers are fairly stable and major bugs that chased people away from this game has been squashed. Its a better environment to release a major change to the game. The Justice System was great in Single Player ES games because there was only one player putting stress on it. Even if it had bugs it was able to perform as it was intended 99% of the time. With thousands upon thousands of players putting stress on that same system in an MMO. All sorts of whacky things could possibly happen. It would of been an even bigger disaster for Zenimax. Tons of people that would of subbed for that aspect of the game alone would of walked away. Even more could of walked away because of the possible implications those bugs had on others.

Every MMO has a teething period where it grows into the MMO its going to be for the majority of its lifecycle. Most of these teething periods are within the first year or two. Some MMOs have fairly stable launches, most dont. Even companies with years of MMO experience still trip up over launches and release content that is considered subpar. Granted there are companies that try to get over on fans of an IP by releasing an obviously underdeveloped game meant to prey or those fans. But Zenimax wasnt one of them. They may not be the greatest MMO developer out there but they are serious about providing the playerbase and the IP Fans a world that is true to the Elder Scrolls franchise. They dont always deliver and sometimes they have to go back in and fix something a couple of times to get it right. But a year in and instead of pretending theres nothing wrong with the abilities and ultimates. Theyve committed the core of an update to correcting this.

I left this game after two months of playing the game not because it wasnt fun. But for two major reasons. Bots and Gold Spammers. I wasnt happy about the VR Cadwell Silver and Gold but I could live with it. The Bots and Gold Spammers drove me nuts though. Especially when the Gold Spammers tried to 'trick' people into joining their guilds while players were out farming and grinding. Bots ran free in Coldharbor. So free that it was difficult to farm for resources or get a hit in on a boss you needed to kill. It drove me away from this game. But I never looked at the game and thought 'It needs another year'.

You sir are a voice of reason. I applaud you!

Akhratos

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

ArconSeptim wrote: »

You know what? Update 6 is not REAL!

The BACON IS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually it IS a lie .. it's really cake.

No, it´s not!

kieso

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ian was just joking around.

...right?

+1 awesome because +1 crush isn't available.

Pendrillion

@ZOS_GinaBruno : You need a secretary... Or at least an assistant.

Fi'yra

If this is for real, I hope the notes are at least entertaining..

Sotha_Sil

Despair9 wrote: »

By the way guys, I'm not sure if Senior Programmer - Ian Campbell was joking or not (he seemed pretty serious to me), either way he said to Gina and Jessica that they're about to be hit by another 40 pages of patch notes? That would put the total over 100 pages of patch notes.

Note: Warlords of Draenor expansion patch notes were at about ~110 pages ,with 35.000 words (The last time we heard about Update 6, it was already over 22.000 words). This is some crazy fast development if all of this is true.

Here is the proof - Look around 52:37

http://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/3695994

Quantity doesn't mean quality, just saying...

ArconSeptim

I hope they start posting those updates immediately.

Bloodfang

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Despair9 wrote: »

By the way guys, I'm not sure if Senior Programmer - Ian Campbell was joking or not (he seemed pretty serious to me), either way he said to Gina and Jessica that they're about to be hit by another 40 pages of patch notes? That would put the total over 100 pages of patch notes.

Note: Warlords of Draenor expansion patch notes were at about ~110 pages ,with 35.000 words (The last time we heard about Update 6, it was already over 22.000 words). This is some crazy fast development if all of this is true.

Here is the proof - Look around 52:37

http://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/3695994

Quantity doesn't mean quality, just saying...

True, however ESO always delivered very quality content, compared to other MMOs, even WoW.

Remember this update is featuring Justice and Champion System, which is worth of an expansion on its own. WoW has neither of these 2 things and is in development for over 10 years.

Sacadon

I want every detail regardless of whether or not it's longer than a zillion pages. You can write cliff notes for others, but best let the community do that since you know we will anyway.

Please and Thank you

Sacadon

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

ArconSeptim wrote: »

You know what? Update 6 is not REAL!

The BACON IS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually it IS a lie .. it's really cake.

Portal ha!

Ommamar

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ian was just joking around.

...right?

I had hoped he was as I would like to play this on the PTS. Honestly I am not going to read all your patch notes. Sorry I know you worked hard but working through even 64 pages would of been a chore that kept me from playing the game. I will just jump in and figure things out so please put the bloody thing on the PTS!

PBpsy

Akhratos wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

ArconSeptim wrote: »

You know what? Update 6 is not REAL!

The BACON IS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually it IS a lie .. it's really cake.

No, it´s not!

glak

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Ian was just joking around.

...right?

With how long ago they completed the development of the original 1.6, I'd say the last round of code commits is about 40 pages of patch notes in size. Not necessarily a whole separate set of patch notes, but mostly revision. Which would mean a lot of hunt & find & sanity checks.

PSLAnimal

Digiman wrote: »

Our patch notes will block out the sun.

Then we shall quest in the shade.

Razzak

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Despair9 wrote: »

By the way guys, I'm not sure if Senior Programmer - Ian Campbell was joking or not (he seemed pretty serious to me), either way he said to Gina and Jessica that they're about to be hit by another 40 pages of patch notes? That would put the total over 100 pages of patch notes.

Note: Warlords of Draenor expansion patch notes were at about ~110 pages ,with 35.000 words (The last time we heard about Update 6, it was already over 22.000 words). This is some crazy fast development if all of this is true.

Here is the proof - Look around 52:37

http://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/3695994

Quantity doesn't mean quality, just saying...

My thoughts exactly.

Wolfsspinne

They should release patch notes every time the patch notes get updated, including the chances made to the patch notes, the current amount of words and pages and - most important - the amount of coffee drunken by the patch note artists since the last patch note update!

NadiusMaximus

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Odd they re wrote the whole game less than year into launch lol

It needed done. I wish they had pushed release back till they knew what was going on though.

How would they have known?

Beta test? Public test servers? Server stress programs?

Sindala

Nobody has said what these 'pages' are from.
I'd laugh my ass off if Gina is writing them in an A5 pad.....or even a jotta pad. lol

AngryNord

Sindala wrote: »

Nobody has said what these 'pages' are from.

I'd Guess a 15-year old Nokia :P

Bloodfang

Sindala wrote: »

Nobody has said what these 'pages' are from.
I'd laugh my ass off if Gina is writing them in an A5 pad.....or even a jotta pad. lol

They are using word, font size: 12 most likely.

NadiusMaximus

We had to write a 30 page report on "Drugs and how they influence people's choices " in school one year.

One of my buddies wrote his on zig-zag papers.

AngryNord

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

We had to write a 30 page report on "Drugs and how they influence people's choices " in school one year.

One of my buddies wrote his on zig-zag papers.

Did he get an A? :P

NadiusMaximus

Actually, the professor saw "the originality and use of imagination to create a point on the subject matter given" but failed due to a bad choice in stationary.

AlexDougherty

Sindala wrote: »

Nobody has said what these 'pages' are from.
I'd laugh my ass off if Gina is writing them in an A5 pad.....or even a jotta pad. lol

She uses a Macbook on ESO Live, my guess is she is writing them on that very same Macbook.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

i have the feeling that...from "100 pages" we gona get a 1 small notebook page

okraus

If you put just one letter on each page then 100 pages is not much...
Or you could use teeny tiny pages... who knows... personally i consulted my very secret but also reliable source at ZOS and i was told that 1.6 patch notes will be more then 312 pages... humm...

Father

100 pages x 5 bugs = 500 bugs+ 1 (bugged cloak)= 501 bugs ?

Sotha_Sil

my bet : 20 pages of skill changes / improvements. 80 of quest bug fixing.