Is there anyone playing ESO for actual fun?

Grunim

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

Some people definitely don't play for fun. I saw the most terrible VR14 grinding mobs 1x at a time in Spellscar a few days ago. Upon laying down a few heals for him/her and a few random hits on a mob to help them out, I was told to "f*** off" and to "get my own mob".

Sorry after watching you die a few times and nearly die everytime you pulled 1x mob (that's right 1x, not even a proper 3-4x mob pull) I thought I'd lend a hand. Hey afterall, we are all just trying to grind out a few last skills on our characters.

Go back to Skyrim if you cannot take sharing the world with others, and if you cannot enjoy the game enough to smile and have fun whilst levelling your characters.

From your account this person may have lacked the social skills many of us wish to see from our community, but have you considered this person may have regarded you as a griefer and that's why they lashed out at you?

This person who you judgmentally labeled "the most terrible VR14" may have been intentionally testing something such as evaluating how a certain skill works or perhaps they were experimenting with their build to measure the results.

Since this thread is about having fun in ESO, please take a look at Bartle's original academic paper that discusses a social versus gamelike approach to online RPGs and consider that "the most terrible VR14" may have been an Explorer type gamer.
http://mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm

knightblaster

I remember having this conversation with someone in a different MMO several years ago.

His response was this (paraphrasing, obviously): "No, I don't play an MMO for fun. If I want to play a game just for fun, I'll fire up an FPS or maybe a racing game, maybe Madden. That's just for fun -- no real progression, nothing serious, really. But I play MMOs for achievement and competition with other players -- to compete and show I'm better than many other players. That's why I play MMOs -- fun, in itself, really isn't that important. It's the glory of the achievement in the end, and the tangible evidence of being better and more advanced, more skilled, than other players and being able to show that in the game world. That's why I play MMOs."

I think that's the mindset of quite a few MMO players, actually. The "fun" is not in the gameplay itself, but in achievement, progression and "separation from other players".

newtinmpls

Thanks, you made my afternoon

I did get a giggle at the phrase "separation from other characters"; sounds like a bunch of people running on parallel treadmills arguing about who ran "farther".

Fruity_Ninja

Grunim wrote: »

From your account this person may have lacked the social skills many of us wish to see from our community, but have you considered this person may have regarded you as a griefer and that's why they lashed out at you?

This person who you judgmentally labeled "the most terrible VR14" may have been intentionally testing something such as evaluating how a certain skill works or perhaps they were experimenting with their build to measure the results.

Since this thread is about having fun in ESO, please take a look at Bartle's original academic paper that discusses a social versus gamelike approach to online RPGs and consider that "the most terrible VR14" may have been an Explorer type gamer.
http://mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm

When a few resto staff heals are thrown your way every few mobs (especially in cases where you are on the verge of dying), I don't see how that can be construed as being a griefer?

I personally would have just said thanks. It is likely I'd have a chat to that person sometime during the session too.

Yes I judgementally labelled that particular person, mostly in response to the absolute rudeness displayed by them leaving a rather bitter taste in my mouth. Maybe I should have called them "the rudest VR14" instead.

I'll read through that paper now, mostly to pass some time. I have a feeling it will be based around the different motivations individuals have for playing a game. I strongly believe that regardless of whatever that motivation might be, as a community we need to stamp out anti-social behaviour in ESO.

It's not ok to talk down to or bully others within the game, and another quick run through spellscar tonight I saw at least 2 incidents (not involving me) play out. On the 2nd one I spoke up in defense of somebody who clearly was just enjoying running around killing some stuff vs. a bully who 'owned' the mobs and didn't want anyone else touching them.

Since the Rkund nerf, everyone seems to be cramming into Spellscar. On top of that now a VR14 gets more CP. I'm starting to see some toxicity that is very distasteful and not a good look for the game. I've now seen enough within a week or so, to comfortably say that there is more bad juju coming from players than my whole prior 9 months in this world. (when did it release again ?) It's just a shame really...

Anyway food for thought. I know I'll speak up against that sort of behaviour because it just doesn't fly.

Everyone can have fun in their own little way, that's their right. But we all have a responsibility to create a tolerant and helpful community, because they are communities that thrive and that are attractive to people. They are also the communities that are the most fun to be a part of.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

TehMagnus wrote: »

- Why should three random people adapt their play style and waste time just to make you feel better?
- Why don't you let them know before the dungeon starts that you haven't done the quest and want to listen to it and take your time, thus at least giving them a choice to play with you and endure it or just find someone else? If you don't say so because you're afraid you'll be dismissed, then you're just deceiving those players.

Because if they choose to use the 'finder' tool then they are relinquishing their right to demand others truncate their game experience to appease them.

People can form 'pre-mades' and apply any rules they wish to among themselves, they have no such rights in 'public' groups put together by a 'finder' mechanism.

but regarding the taking your time in dungeons, it's up to you to find people who will want to play like that or wait for you and not up to randoms to be forced to wait for you because you want to take your time.

You got that 100% ass-backwards, it's the SPEEDRUNNERS that are out of order, not players wanting to play the game as ZOS present it.

Cuyler

I had fun min/maxing and being an elitist jerk all weekend! Jk

seriously though I have fun with the numbers game, getting trials gear, grouping with my guild....OH and lusty argonian maids.

TehMagnus

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

TehMagnus wrote: »

- Why should three random people adapt their play style and waste time just to make you feel better?
- Why don't you let them know before the dungeon starts that you haven't done the quest and want to listen to it and take your time, thus at least giving them a choice to play with you and endure it or just find someone else? If you don't say so because you're afraid you'll be dismissed, then you're just deceiving those players.

Because if they choose to use the 'finder' tool then they are relinquishing their right to demand others truncate their game experience to appease them.

Says who? Where is that rule written? What world do you live in? Moreover who the heck uses the LFG tool anyways?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

People can form 'pre-mades' and apply any rules they wish to among themselves, they have no such rights in 'public' groups put together by a 'finder' mechanism.

Says who? Where is that rule written? What world do you live in? Moreover who the heck uses the LFG tool anyways?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

but regarding the taking your time in dungeons, it's up to you to find people who will want to play like that or wait for you and not up to randoms to be forced to wait for you because you want to take your time.

You got that 100% ass-backwards, it's the SPEEDRUNNERS that are out of order, not players wanting to play the game as ZOS present it.

Lolilol. This is not carebears online and I don't know in what bubble you where raised to make you think the world and people living in it could ever function like this. This is just like real life, where majority rules. If majority wants to speed run (and most of them will want to since they have finished the quest & dungeon already and it's a DAILY RUN AKA you've done it tens of times at the very least), then conform or gtfo .

nalimoleb14_ESO

newtinmpls wrote: »

Browsing through the forums I read about character build this and farming mats that. Playing the game I get innundated with ads for trade guilds and people buying and selling items that dropped for free - and charging hundreds and thousands not just for items but apparently for "stacks" (100 of them? I don't really know).
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I hear folks talk about how they had to rebuild their character or change class because he/she/it wasn't competitive or DPS'y or whatever "enough". People asking advice not to enjoy, but to find the "best build".

I've gone through shared dungeons (delves, instances, who knows what they are called now) where I had to literally run and occasionally sprint to keep up with the hasty players who were aggravated because "this location is taking too long".

What happened to actually enjoying? Exploring? Cracking jokes about why does the cliff racer look like an Archaeopteryx? Or why mudcrabs are so much smaller suddenly?

Just wondrin'

This post couldn't be more truthful. Leveling from the main story questline to Caldwell's Silver/Gold, it was all about the exploration, the immersion, and all around having fun. Now, at VR14, I'm not doing anything more than farming for helms and epaulets, and trying to get into elitist trials. It's definitely sucked a lot of the fun out of the game for me.

Cuyler

nalimoleb14_ESO wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

Browsing through the forums I read about character build this and farming mats that. Playing the game I get innundated with ads for trade guilds and people buying and selling items that dropped for free - and charging hundreds and thousands not just for items but apparently for "stacks" (100 of them? I don't really know).
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I hear folks talk about how they had to rebuild their character or change class because he/she/it wasn't competitive or DPS'y or whatever "enough". People asking advice not to enjoy, but to find the "best build".

I've gone through shared dungeons (delves, instances, who knows what they are called now) where I had to literally run and occasionally sprint to keep up with the hasty players who were aggravated because "this location is taking too long".

What happened to actually enjoying? Exploring? Cracking jokes about why does the cliff racer look like an Archaeopteryx? Or why mudcrabs are so much smaller suddenly?

Just wondrin'

This post couldn't be more truthful. Leveling from the main story questline to Caldwell's Silver/Gold, it was all about the exploration, the immersion, and all around having fun. Now, at VR14, I'm not doing anything more than farming for helms and epaulets, and trying to get into elitist trials. It's definitely sucked a lot of the fun out of the game for me.

Personally, I've "explored" nearly every corner of the game currently. Should I continue "exploring" for fun when I've already seen it all?

Trials? Just specify that you don't want a speed run and you're just looking for completion. There are many groups that run practice runs. Actually, what class/role are you?

newtinmpls

nalimoleb, I'm sorry to hear that. I'd offer to online-page you when I'm online, but my highest character is 33rd, so I doubt we'd be successful in trying to aventure together.

Granted, I've gone on 'group' adventures with non-vets to Cyrodill & those have been fun - the 'translation' or boost or whatever it is means that my 26th, my spouse's 37th, and the couple we game with (they are in Oregon) who run a 44 and a 46, can all participate and no one is overwhelmed.

Combine online grouping and skype - although I've heard there is also something called gamevox that does chat/communication - and you can have fun regardless of what re-do-able quest you are joining.

It's role-playing the characters themselves and their relationships (and Sekou would you quit trying to make time with every darn cute NPC ever) that make things fun for me

I would never farm for armor or weapons - or at least I can't see it - because the stuff my crafter's make is so much better (and I don't have to depend on 'did I find something from X collection at the right level'.

Ethona

For the OP of this thread.

*First few months and my first 5 guilds.* Folks playing, dungeons going, PVP is massive (although i hate PVP but it was joyful to watch others having fun), guilds are packed and alive with plans being put together for the guild's future.

*Last few months, first 5 guilds have all 100% died and after nearly a month solo I leave and join 5 new guilds.* I notice the new guilds are all 300 players with an avg of say 100 playing during 24 hour day. However, the game stopped being fun when I realize that being in 5 guilds full of players meant that I was in 5 guilds full of no one; for the guilds are full but no one socialized, no one wanted to do ANYTHING, everyone is playing this game for themselves, the guild leader and his/her officers are the in-club and only ones doing fun stuff while I'm the out-club.

Advice to guild owners, get rid of anyone that hasn't logged in for a month. If your guild has a lot of players but no one socializes and you seen very little to no grouping among your members than you need to wake them up and get them into the spirit of doing things together in this game. Having a guild full of me-me-me-me crowd is a dead guild and harms the community. If i'm invited into your guild of me-me-me-me crowd i'm so turned off that I either want to quit your guild or quit this game.

Lord_Kreegan

[Tongue in cheek]

I play ESO for the constant and continuous little niggling frustrations that I have with the game in every play-session. I look at it as pennance for all the sins during my life, so when I die I can go straight to heaven.

You expected this to be fun?

Jeremy

newtinmpls wrote: »

Browsing through the forums I read about character build this and farming mats that. Playing the game I get innundated with ads for trade guilds and people buying and selling items that dropped for free - and charging hundreds and thousands not just for items but apparently for "stacks" (100 of them? I don't really know).
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I hear folks talk about how they had to rebuild their character or change class because he/she/it wasn't competitive or DPS'y or whatever "enough". People asking advice not to enjoy, but to find the "best build".

I've gone through shared dungeons (delves, instances, who knows what they are called now) where I had to literally run and occasionally sprint to keep up with the hasty players who were aggravated because "this location is taking too long".

What happened to actually enjoying? Exploring? Cracking jokes about why does the cliff racer look like an Archaeopteryx? Or why mudcrabs are so much smaller suddenly?

Just wondrin'

That's because MMORPG developers are no longer creative and lack ways to make their content challenging in fun and interesting ways. So instead they have opted to just put time limits on everything and make it to where you kill so and so as fast as possible. It's pretty lame I agree.

So basically strategy in MMORPGs have been reduced to dps races. That's why you see such an emphasis on maximizing DPS and speed. The players have been conditioned that way by the devs.

I do miss the older days in this respect - when group-play consisted of carefully balancing a role-based strategy to succeed. But those days seem long gone.

Woolenthreads

Ethona wrote: »

Advice to guild owners, get rid of anyone that hasn't logged in for a month. If your guild has a lot of players but no one socializes and you seen very little to no grouping among your members than you need to wake them up and get them into the spirit of doing things together in this game.

I think a number of GuildM's like having a low number of Actives as it gives them larger banks and sales without having to do as much.

Ethona wrote: »

Having a guild full of me-me-me-me crowd is a dead guild and harms the community. If I'm invited into your guild of me-me-me-me crowd i'm so turned off that I either want to quit your guild or quit this game.

I prefer that they don't bother me too much because I'm not interested in interaction yet, I'm still exploring the various build aspects of the game and some of the areas. So, yes, me, me, me. I also got a little burnt out over the responsibilities of Organisation Officer in two IRL organisations and in one Eve Corp. I fully recognise, though, that I am a damaged, paranoid cynic. If someone makes an enlistment attempt, I will join and then a week later quit, with an apology, if they are extremely active. I will do it because I don't mind being in a Guild but I want to be mostly left alone right now, to explore and character-build.

newtinmpls

Cuyler wrote: »

"nalimoleb14_ESO wrote: »

Personally, I've "explored" nearly every corner of the game currently. Should I continue "exploring" for fun when I've already seen it all?

Trials? Just specify that you don't want a speed run and you're just looking for completion. There are many groups that run practice runs. Actually, what class/role are you?

To answer the last question first, I'm a sorcerer. All my builds, battlemage, high DPS mage, tank, archer - all of them are socerers because I insist on having a familar. Or more than one (counting the Storm Atronach ultimate, I potentially have 3). Makes it fun for me.

To respond to your "I've done this once" - that boggles me as much as if a married person were to say that they had been intimate with their partner "already" so why continue doing it if they've already done it before.

It's like Jazz, I guess, if you don't get it (and clearly you don't) I really can't explain it. if you do .... then I don't need to.

b92303008rwb17_ESO

That depends how you define "fun". I respect your play style and how you enjoy this game but other people have their own ways, too. I am sure there are and you will find people who share the same thought as you, at least 32, including "insightful, agree and awesome", as of now.

newtinmpls

Jeremy wrote: »

That's because MMORPG developers are no longer creative and lack ways to make their content challenging in fun and interesting ways. So instead they have opted to just put time limits on everything and make it to where you kill so and so as fast as possible. It's pretty lame I agree.

So basically strategy in MMORPGs have been reduced to dps races. That's why you see such an emphasis on maximizing DPS and speed. The players have been conditioned that way by the devs.

Bah, hogwash and other such comments. ESO is pretty to look at, it's got enough NPCs for me to RPG in my head (and in MY version of reality "FoulWing" is NOT an accurate translation of that harpy's name). It's even got player chat - granted spam-filled sloppy chat - but it's still there.

I have come to realize that due to poor game design I may have to re-do my characters stats (so they can survive the ridiculous high damage one shots in later dungeons), but playing with friends and skype, I still can manage to have fun.

Joejudas

This is wait your defending with your definition of fun.

You build a house by hand and pay for the pieces. Someone comes along and burns your house down then says....it wont cost you anything this time...but you need to spend 4 times as long rebuilding it.

Thats what your defending

Saddiq

OP, if it makes you feel better, I think the vast majority of players are playing for fun, and having it. Nearly all of them are quiet as mice both in chat zones and most certainly on the forum boards. The forum board would make a self-help guru suicidal. It's a very depressing place to come. Stay away from the forum boards and use google to research your character instead.

p.s. When you see someone mouthing off about the game in Zone chat, just right-click the name and select 'Ignore'. My zone chat is usually positive and on-topic, but I probably have over a hundred players ignored at this point who might be chatting up a storm for all I know.

VisceralMonkey

Yes. I'm not a min/max type nor do care to be. I don't theory craft and never will. It's just a game, people turning it into something else bore me.

rawne1980b16_ESO

I play for fun but I only enjoy it in small doses.

I pre ordered the game and jumped in head start but i've only played a couple of months this past year.

I have fun but only in short bursts.

Lokryn

Different strokes for different folks.

Lopyturiac

I have fun.
It's always a pleasure for me just to walk around at enjoy the sightseeings.
Some quests are nice to do and some characters really are funny.
And I like to join a group just for one or two hours.

Yes, I do have fun.

wraith808

newtinmpls wrote: »

Browsing through the forums I read about character build this and farming mats that. Playing the game I get innundated with ads for trade guilds and people buying and selling items that dropped for free - and charging hundreds and thousands not just for items but apparently for "stacks" (100 of them? I don't really know).
-
I hear folks talk about how they had to rebuild their character or change class because he/she/it wasn't competitive or DPS'y or whatever "enough". People asking advice not to enjoy, but to find the "best build".

I've gone through shared dungeons (delves, instances, who knows what they are called now) where I had to literally run and occasionally sprint to keep up with the hasty players who were aggravated because "this location is taking too long".

What happened to actually enjoying? Exploring? Cracking jokes about why does the cliff racer look like an Archaeopteryx? Or why mudcrabs are so much smaller suddenly?

Just wondrin'

Fun means different things to different people. So you might not agree that certain things are "fun", but that doesn't invalidate the fact that others get enjoyment out of them... and consider them fun.