Why does ZOS hate Sorcs?

Nijjion

woodsro wrote: »

Total Cost of the Second Bolt Escape Cast(including regen penalty) is 860 Mana (give or take)

Well if you're running heavy or medium armour ofcourse it's going to cost that much. I've seen it go as low as 203-300(300-500 2nd cost) people have claimed and that's an ok cost. My heal costs me 370 at the lowest with 7 light in comparison.

Also in your words it's not my fault you're not specced for that skill/playstyle.

woodsro wrote: »

does any other class have a skill that costs that much to use on the second cast?

No they don't and would of loved Reflective scale to copy it... but then if we start having all skills like this we might as well had cooldowns on skills.

woodsro wrote: »

This skill was nerfed only because the DK (tank class) cried that us Sorcs wouldn't just stand there and let them talon and flame whip us to death.

Everyone cried to be honest... even most of my friends who played sorcs said it was OP as they could get out of majority of fights and have no consequences on bad awareness.

woodsro wrote: »

Its also important to understand, DK are going to know how it feels now that Scales is being nerfed, and GDB is next on the list, that you can trust..you will soon understand what it feels like to be greatly weakend like a Sorc in its current state.

Not our first nerf DKS have been constantly nerfed on a lot of our skills even twice if you count Talons.

woodsro wrote: »

This game lacks viable tradeoffs because people QQ and whine...had BE been left alone, DK could have kept their Scales as they are now and it would be fine.

I will say here and not again as went through all this ages ago... no class really should get a get out of jail card to their *** ups in a RvR game. BE is still that 50% of the time, BE is a melee get away not a get out of any fight I want card. I still think stealth on NBs as well shouldn't give them hiding ability as well (they should still be in combat but can hide during this time).

woodsro wrote: »

Archers with bow are a great counter to Streaking Sorcs.

I thought Ball of Lightning absorbed projectiles?? Obviously going to have trouble with the other morph but you have a stun to play around with there as well.

woodsro wrote: »

Sorcs should have no trouble running from DK
NB should have no issues killing Sorcs quickly
DK should have no issues killing NB
Templars should sit in the middle

however, no one wants any class to have any hard counters at all IE: DK counters NB, NB counters Sorc, Sorc Counters Templar, Templar counters DK

the game is going to end up bland because people cry their class can't kill this class...the DK is supposed to be the hard counter to the NB for example, so NB should avoid 1vs1 combat with them, just like i avoid 1v1 combat with NB because they are the hard counter to the Sorc class, i like the vareity that way.

however, with the BE nerf, and now the upcoming Scales nerf, this game will soon be homogenized to being absolutely boring because no one wants a class system where 1 class counters another because their build won't win in all scenarios, unlike myself who is willing to accept that Sorcs are at a disadvantage to NB, its supposed to be that way anyways.

You think this is a rock paper scissors game which is true in some sense but you are wrong in your explanation/thinking. No class as a whole counters anyone... but builds counter other builds. Some NB builds can demolish DKs and so on and so on not going to type them all out.

Skullemainia

haha, I still know the time where they said that sorcerers are overpowered. and now they are underpowered? I'm not going to say I'm not noticing it cause I do have a sorcerer char. but it isn't that bad at all, you just need to make your build different then before. but you are right about pvp, you don't want to be a sorc. in pvp

Merlight

Nijjion wrote: »

I thought Ball of Lightning absorbed projectiles??

It only absorbs spell projectiles, like Crystal Fragments or the templar nuke, not arrows.

Dazin93

Merlight wrote: »

Nijjion wrote: »

I thought Ball of Lightning absorbed projectiles??

It only absorbs spell projectiles, like Crystal Fragments or the templar nuke, not arrows.

And has been broken for quite some time.....

olsborg

I agree with the OP, we are lacking direct instant damage abilities. Streak was over nerfed.

Milf_Hero

olsborg wrote: »

I agree with the OP, we are lacking direct instant damage abilities. Streak was over nerfed.

lol what does streak have to do with direct instant damage abilities? crystal shards can instant damage, mages wrath seems pretty instant damage as well. I think you could use a few more tho other than those two skills. And on of those skills, crystal shards isn't a instant damage till you get the instant cast proc. I don't play a sorc but I don't see them using anything else really when it comes to instant damage or good dots. sorcs class could do with a revamp I think. specially with a whole class skill line for summoning which COMPLETELY sucks.. steak tho, still needed a nerf. Maybe not the nerf it has now. But I don't think it should be used the way it is used now in combat. Sorcs teleport through a group of enemies and stun people and other people finish them off. in a 1v1 they just tele around the target smashing them with ranged abilities. This would be incredibly one-sided fight if the sorc is fighting a melee based opponent.

RinaldoGandolphi

Nijjion wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

Total Cost of the Second Bolt Escape Cast(including regen penalty) is 860 Mana (give or take)

Well if you're running heavy or medium armour ofcourse it's going to cost that much. I've seen it go as low as 203-300(300-500 2nd cost) people have claimed and that's an ok cost. My heal costs me 370 at the lowest with 7 light in comparison.

Also in your words it's not my fault you're not specced for that skill/playstyle.

woodsro wrote: »

does any other class have a skill that costs that much to use on the second cast?

No they don't and would of loved Reflective scale to copy it... but then if we start having all skills like this we might as well had cooldowns on skills.

woodsro wrote: »

This skill was nerfed only because the DK (tank class) cried that us Sorcs wouldn't just stand there and let them talon and flame whip us to death.

Everyone cried to be honest... even most of my friends who played sorcs said it was OP as they could get out of majority of fights and have no consequences on bad awareness.

woodsro wrote: »

Its also important to understand, DK are going to know how it feels now that Scales is being nerfed, and GDB is next on the list, that you can trust..you will soon understand what it feels like to be greatly weakend like a Sorc in its current state.

Not our first nerf DKS have been constantly nerfed on a lot of our skills even twice if you count Talons.

woodsro wrote: »

This game lacks viable tradeoffs because people QQ and whine...had BE been left alone, DK could have kept their Scales as they are now and it would be fine.

I will say here and not again as went through all this ages ago... no class really should get a get out of jail card to their *** ups in a RvR game. BE is still that 50% of the time, BE is a melee get away not a get out of any fight I want card. I still think stealth on NBs as well shouldn't give them hiding ability as well (they should still be in combat but can hide during this time).

woodsro wrote: »

Archers with bow are a great counter to Streaking Sorcs.

I thought Ball of Lightning absorbed projectiles?? Obviously going to have trouble with the other morph but you have a stun to play around with there as well.

woodsro wrote: »

Sorcs should have no trouble running from DK
NB should have no issues killing Sorcs quickly
DK should have no issues killing NB
Templars should sit in the middle

however, no one wants any class to have any hard counters at all IE: DK counters NB, NB counters Sorc, Sorc Counters Templar, Templar counters DK

the game is going to end up bland because people cry their class can't kill this class...the DK is supposed to be the hard counter to the NB for example, so NB should avoid 1vs1 combat with them, just like i avoid 1v1 combat with NB because they are the hard counter to the Sorc class, i like the vareity that way.

however, with the BE nerf, and now the upcoming Scales nerf, this game will soon be homogenized to being absolutely boring because no one wants a class system where 1 class counters another because their build won't win in all scenarios, unlike myself who is willing to accept that Sorcs are at a disadvantage to NB, its supposed to be that way anyways.

You think this is a rock paper scissors game which is true in some sense but you are wrong in your explanation/thinking. No class as a whole counters anyone... but builds counter other builds. Some NB builds can demolish DKs and so on and so on not going to type them all out.

in light or heavy armor? I used base cost, even as a Breton with spell reduction Jewelry your looking at around least a 700 casting cost on second cast best case.

(The mana regen penalty is part of the cost. All the mana you would regen during that 4 second period if your regen was not cut in half must be counted as part of the cost of the spell, to not include that cost would be like not including the tax on an item you buy at a store, your not getting the item unless you pay the tax, your not casting BE a second time unless your regen is cut in half which at 137(soft cap) is 68x4, the higher your magic regen stat is, the more the 4 second half regen penalty is. The higher your magica recovery stat is, the more BE costs you to cast.)


I use Ball of Lighting and it doens't absorb Bow Projectiles. A Bow user can activate dodge roll, then get an insane speed boost capable of keeping up with a BE Sorc up to 3 hops which is enough for him to kill me. Gap closers work well too.

Be was nerfed before the meta game matured, BE has plenty of viable counters now, the nerf is out dated and antiquated...

Cinnamon_Spider

Gorthax wrote: »

I can not stress how important it is to notice he is a BATTLE MAGE that block cast using sword and shield. That is not a caster class. Casters use only staffs. If that is how you want to look at it. I dont use melee and I try my hardest not to block cast (cheapest thing ever).

However, watching him play S&B as a sorc makes me understand why eso went from elder staves online to elder shield and bows online :P He is still a really good sorc though. Please keep in mind not everyone wants to pick up a sword and board

If you look at the skills used on his sword and board bar, the only attack is velocious curse. His main attacks are on the resto staff. Shield is necessary for defense and the two weapons opens the possibility of a set bonus.

OrangeTheCat

Gorthax wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJu1KLm-VR0

I also notice the LOL's on my post and my video post of how to counter BE.

Here is a video of Ezareth(whom greatly influenced my fighting style) the infamous AD Emperor of Haderus using BE, well Ball of Lighting to be exact, to tactically elude, reposition, and kill his opponents.

What he is doing in this video is exactly what folks whined about that lead to BE being nerfed, when in reality Ezarth flat out tactically outplayed his opponents an lulled them into fighting him on his terms where he melted their faces. Outside of tons of tri-pots at 10-12k a stack, doing this now is extremely hard if not impossible.

How Ezareth is playing the Sorc is how the class is supposed to be played, tactically eluding your opponent and keeping fights at a distance where you can kill them because Sorcs in the traditional sense are not meant for melee combat.

A traditional Sorc in melee combat with a DK is a Sorc that won't live very long. The Sorc needs a resource management viable version of BE. I would even go as far as removing the mana regen penalty and just slighting increasing the base cost.

BE costs too much now to maintain an offensive on your opponent while trying to reposition(which is what the skill was intended to do) so now Sorcs only use BE to run because its almost impossible to maintain an offensive while using it because of the prohibitive cost, and not everyone has 10-12k to spend per day on tri-pots in order to make it semi-viable.

I can not stress how important it is to notice he is a BATTLE MAGE that block cast using sword and shield. That is not a caster class. Casters use only staffs. If that is how you want to look at it. I dont use melee and I try my hardest not to block cast (cheapest thing ever).

However, watching him play S&B as a sorc makes me understand why eso went from elder staves online to elder shield and bows online :P He is still a really good sorc though. Please keep in mind not everyone wants to pick up a sword and board

It seems to me what you are saying is that he is not playing the way you want to play or the way you think he should be playing. "Caster classes use only staves"? Says who?

Gorthax

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJu1KLm-VR0

I also notice the LOL's on my post and my video post of how to counter BE.

Here is a video of Ezareth(whom greatly influenced my fighting style) the infamous AD Emperor of Haderus using BE, well Ball of Lighting to be exact, to tactically elude, reposition, and kill his opponents.

What he is doing in this video is exactly what folks whined about that lead to BE being nerfed, when in reality Ezarth flat out tactically outplayed his opponents an lulled them into fighting him on his terms where he melted their faces. Outside of tons of tri-pots at 10-12k a stack, doing this now is extremely hard if not impossible.

How Ezareth is playing the Sorc is how the class is supposed to be played, tactically eluding your opponent and keeping fights at a distance where you can kill them because Sorcs in the traditional sense are not meant for melee combat.

A traditional Sorc in melee combat with a DK is a Sorc that won't live very long. The Sorc needs a resource management viable version of BE. I would even go as far as removing the mana regen penalty and just slighting increasing the base cost.

BE costs too much now to maintain an offensive on your opponent while trying to reposition(which is what the skill was intended to do) so now Sorcs only use BE to run because its almost impossible to maintain an offensive while using it because of the prohibitive cost, and not everyone has 10-12k to spend per day on tri-pots in order to make it semi-viable.

I can not stress how important it is to notice he is a BATTLE MAGE that block cast using sword and shield. That is not a caster class. Casters use only staffs. If that is how you want to look at it. I dont use melee and I try my hardest not to block cast (cheapest thing ever).

However, watching him play S&B as a sorc makes me understand why eso went from elder staves online to elder shield and bows online :P He is still a really good sorc though. Please keep in mind not everyone wants to pick up a sword and board

Oh god...please tell me you Sorcs aren't going to start using that bullcrap excuse like nightblades did when they were trying to get their class overbuffed... "It's a NightBLADE, not a NightSTAFF!!!"

And this game is still Elder staves online, don't bloody kid yourself.

Surprised you didnt also highlight the second part to that, here let me quote it for you "If that is how you want to look at it." To me, like I said @xsorusb14_ESO‌ , casters (TRUE mages) only use staves. Not melee. That comment was also aimed at how not everyone wants to pick up the sword and board damn near unlimited block casting reduce damage mode.

I use staves, not melee. Melee is NOT my play style OR how I envision my casters. I stated that I should not have to pick up S&B (like the trend currently is) to master my class.

Please though, go on, tell us all about it. Tell us how it is still elder staves online. I think you are the one kidding yourself. The true name of the game is Elder Swords and Bows online: Legend of The Dragon Knight Vampire lord.

Who am I kidding though right? I have no clue what I am talking about. I forgot this community only ever goes back to two things: L2P and use melee.

NordJitsu

Sword and Board, Bow, and 2-Hander are all better than Destro-Staff or Resto-Staff for damage. The nerf to Cycle of Life really hurt resto for DPS.

Dual-wield is the only physical damage weapon that could use buffs imo.

Pancake-Tragedy

Gorthax wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJu1KLm-VR0

I also notice the LOL's on my post and my video post of how to counter BE.

Here is a video of Ezareth(whom greatly influenced my fighting style) the infamous AD Emperor of Haderus using BE, well Ball of Lighting to be exact, to tactically elude, reposition, and kill his opponents.

What he is doing in this video is exactly what folks whined about that lead to BE being nerfed, when in reality Ezarth flat out tactically outplayed his opponents an lulled them into fighting him on his terms where he melted their faces. Outside of tons of tri-pots at 10-12k a stack, doing this now is extremely hard if not impossible.

How Ezareth is playing the Sorc is how the class is supposed to be played, tactically eluding your opponent and keeping fights at a distance where you can kill them because Sorcs in the traditional sense are not meant for melee combat.

A traditional Sorc in melee combat with a DK is a Sorc that won't live very long. The Sorc needs a resource management viable version of BE. I would even go as far as removing the mana regen penalty and just slighting increasing the base cost.

BE costs too much now to maintain an offensive on your opponent while trying to reposition(which is what the skill was intended to do) so now Sorcs only use BE to run because its almost impossible to maintain an offensive while using it because of the prohibitive cost, and not everyone has 10-12k to spend per day on tri-pots in order to make it semi-viable.

I can not stress how important it is to notice he is a BATTLE MAGE that block cast using sword and shield. That is not a caster class. Casters use only staffs. If that is how you want to look at it. I dont use melee and I try my hardest not to block cast (cheapest thing ever).

However, watching him play S&B as a sorc makes me understand why eso went from elder staves online to elder shield and bows online :P He is still a really good sorc though. Please keep in mind not everyone wants to pick up a sword and board

Oh god...please tell me you Sorcs aren't going to start using that bullcrap excuse like nightblades did when they were trying to get their class overbuffed... "It's a NightBLADE, not a NightSTAFF!!!"

And this game is still Elder staves online, don't bloody kid yourself.

Surprised you didnt also highlight the second part to that, here let me quote it for you "If that is how you want to look at it." To me, like I said @xsorusb14_ESO‌ , casters (TRUE mages) only use staves. Not melee. That comment was also aimed at how not everyone wants to pick up the sword and board damn near unlimited block casting reduce damage mode.

I use staves, not melee. Melee is NOT my play style OR how I envision my casters. I stated that I should not have to pick up S&B (like the trend currently is) to master my class.

Please though, go on, tell us all about it. Tell us how it is still elder staves online. I think you are the one kidding yourself. The true name of the game is Elder Swords and Bows online: Legend of The Dragon Knight Vampire lord.

Who am I kidding though right? I have no clue what I am talking about. I forgot this community only ever goes back to two things: L2P and use melee.

Bolded part is correct.

The only thing you are saying is how you think a caster should be perceived.

Derra

Nijjion wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

Total Cost of the Second Bolt Escape Cast(including regen penalty) is 860 Mana (give or take)

Well if you're running heavy or medium armour ofcourse it's going to cost that much. I've seen it go as low as 203-300(300-500 2nd cost) people have claimed and that's an ok cost. My heal costs me 370 at the lowest with 7 light in comparison.

Also in your words it's not my fault you're not specced for that skill/playstyle.

Sorry to burst your bubble. I´m High Elve so missing out on the Breton cost reduction. With 8% Seducer 8% Archmage 3x legendary cost Reduction on Jewelry (which leaves you with a whooping 101 spellpower) my teleport cost was 162 on the first cast and 348 on the second cast.
If you take into consideration that teleport ALSO halves your mana regeneration for 4 seconds (2 reg ticks) you can happily add 140 magica to the net cost of one teleport cast (simplification bc not taking into consideration spamming)
So that leaves you with no dmg. A teleport spell that even when geared completely to reduce cost thats 300 magica on the first cast and 490 magica on every succesive cast. No sorc will reach this in reality bc with those numbers all you can do is teleport.
On heavy cost reduce magica templates that cap on spellpower you will see 220 (+140) first cast and 430 (+140) for every succesive cast (Warlock and Seducer).
Please stop the hearsay and don´t throw around numbers without actually knowing the materia.

I´d love if they addet this mechanic to other so consindered op spells like blazing shield and gdb. We´d be back to no cost increase on teleport in a week swimming in a lake of templar and dk tears.

Edit:

Gah. I was being a little harsh

Xsorus

NordJitsu wrote: »

Sword and Board, Bow, and 2-Hander are all better than Destro-Staff or Resto-Staff for damage. The nerf to Cycle of Life really hurt resto for DPS.

Dual-wield is the only physical damage weapon that could use buffs imo.

Well, Restro really isn't a DPS weapon, hence why it was changed...Bow and Two Hander are both good for Stamina builds, but not exactly used in Magicka based builds, and 1 handed/shield while good for Defensive Purposes will do less damage then Destro Staff 100% of the time

2 Hander as well in terms of Magikca Builds will also do less damage then Destro Staff as well.

Xsorus

Gorthax wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJu1KLm-VR0

I also notice the LOL's on my post and my video post of how to counter BE.

Here is a video of Ezareth(whom greatly influenced my fighting style) the infamous AD Emperor of Haderus using BE, well Ball of Lighting to be exact, to tactically elude, reposition, and kill his opponents.

What he is doing in this video is exactly what folks whined about that lead to BE being nerfed, when in reality Ezarth flat out tactically outplayed his opponents an lulled them into fighting him on his terms where he melted their faces. Outside of tons of tri-pots at 10-12k a stack, doing this now is extremely hard if not impossible.

How Ezareth is playing the Sorc is how the class is supposed to be played, tactically eluding your opponent and keeping fights at a distance where you can kill them because Sorcs in the traditional sense are not meant for melee combat.

A traditional Sorc in melee combat with a DK is a Sorc that won't live very long. The Sorc needs a resource management viable version of BE. I would even go as far as removing the mana regen penalty and just slighting increasing the base cost.

BE costs too much now to maintain an offensive on your opponent while trying to reposition(which is what the skill was intended to do) so now Sorcs only use BE to run because its almost impossible to maintain an offensive while using it because of the prohibitive cost, and not everyone has 10-12k to spend per day on tri-pots in order to make it semi-viable.

I can not stress how important it is to notice he is a BATTLE MAGE that block cast using sword and shield. That is not a caster class. Casters use only staffs. If that is how you want to look at it. I dont use melee and I try my hardest not to block cast (cheapest thing ever).

However, watching him play S&B as a sorc makes me understand why eso went from elder staves online to elder shield and bows online :P He is still a really good sorc though. Please keep in mind not everyone wants to pick up a sword and board

Oh god...please tell me you Sorcs aren't going to start using that bullcrap excuse like nightblades did when they were trying to get their class overbuffed... "It's a NightBLADE, not a NightSTAFF!!!"

And this game is still Elder staves online, don't bloody kid yourself.

Surprised you didnt also highlight the second part to that, here let me quote it for you "If that is how you want to look at it." To me, like I said @xsorusb14_ESO‌ , casters (TRUE mages) only use staves. Not melee. That comment was also aimed at how not everyone wants to pick up the sword and board damn near unlimited block casting reduce damage mode.

I use staves, not melee. Melee is NOT my play style OR how I envision my casters. I stated that I should not have to pick up S&B (like the trend currently is) to master my class.

Please though, go on, tell us all about it. Tell us how it is still elder staves online. I think you are the one kidding yourself. The true name of the game is Elder Swords and Bows online: Legend of The Dragon Knight Vampire lord.

Who am I kidding though right? I have no clue what I am talking about. I forgot this community only ever goes back to two things: L2P and use melee.

Sorcs aren't picking up 1 handed/shield because of Block, your bloody class relies on Absorb Shields, which is completely counter intuitive to blocking (You don't get the damage reduction while blocking and having an absorb shield up, the only thing you get is your stamina bloody drained) They're picking up Sword and Board because you get a Reflect with it, and you can Counter reflect against DKs

Unless you're specifically running that for dueling purposes or 1v1, You're better off doing Restro/Destro most of the time as a Sorc.

Leovolao

Da Sandman wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Da Sandman wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXMhsaeMZ9I
Here is a video of playing near perfect as a sorc 1.5.7, yeah i do well, but i have to work way way harder to win fights compared to other classes. the average player will not have near perfect timing and positioning, not trying to boast. the current state of the class right now is really hurting them. go to cyrodiil and look around, how many sorcerers do you see, i can almost count them on my hand. i bet most quit or re-rolled to dk to be competitive. just my two cents.

I'm still here!!!!!!

your a great sorc though lol

awww thanks dude!

You too!

No!

Don't be jelly, Sandy!

You make a better nightblade.

I refuse to play my EP. Sooooowwy!

Teargrants

Nijjion wrote: »

Well if you're running heavy or medium armour ofcourse it's going to cost that much. I've seen it go as low as 203-300(300-500 2nd cost) people have claimed and that's an ok cost. My heal costs me 370 at the lowest with 7 light in comparison.

That's inpossible, as a Breton sorc with 7/7 light armor, seducer, and 3 magicka cost reduction glyphs, the most I can do is get BE to 189 on 1st cast, 363 on subsequent casts. Without cost reduction glyphs, it's 208 on 1st cast, 403 on subsequent. The mistake many make is not understanding what the 50% increased cost refers to. It doesn't refer to the cost of BE on your tool tip, it refers to adding 50% of the base cost of the skill, no reduction taken into account. There were many threads about this when the nerf was implemented, ZOS responded that this is intentional and not an oversight. The weird thing about it is, as you may notice from my numbers, the 50% increase amount is affected by cost reduction glyphs to an extent - or the cost reduction glyph is applied after the cost increase is added to the 2nd cast.

Nijjion wrote: »

I thought Ball of Lightning absorbed projectiles?? Obviously going to have trouble with the other morph but you have a stun to play around with there as well.

BoL only absorbs spell projectiles. And it's very iffy at that. It only works in a limited radius of the ball, which is fine. And it only works if the ball is between you and the projectile, which is fine - rewarding skilled positioning is a good thing. BUT, it often basically bugs out on some casts and won't absorb anything even with proper positioning. This is most noticeable against crushing shock spam.

Poxheart

Teargrants wrote: »

This is most noticeable against crushing shock spam.

I haven't tested this yet, but is crushing shock considered a projectile?

NotSo

I wish you had discussed the problems with the skills out of dark magic and daedric skill lines instead of gushing about BE.

Teargrants

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Sorcs aren't picking up 1 handed/shield because of Block, your bloody class relies on Absorb Shields, which is completely counter intuitive to blocking (You don't get the damage reduction while blocking and having an absorb shield up, the only thing you get is your stamina bloody drained) They're picking up Sword and Board because you get a Reflect with it, and you can Counter reflect against DKs

Unless you're specifically running that for dueling purposes or 1v1, You're better off doing Restro/Destro most of the time as a Sorc.

You forget archers. I have to run 1H & shield or I will die in seconds from all the archers stealthed behind every rock/tree/flower. Hence sword & shield for block and 130 stam regen for dodging all the snipes.

Poxheart wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

This is most noticeable against crushing shock spam.

I haven't tested this yet, but is crushing shock considered a projectile?

Crushy Shock is a spell projectile, 3 projectiles to be exact - which is coincidentally why it will be interesting to use against DKs after the flappy flap nerf.

olsborg

***_Hero wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I agree with the OP, we are lacking direct instant damage abilities. Streak was over nerfed.

lol what does streak have to do with direct instant damage abilities? crystal shards can instant damage, mages wrath seems pretty instant damage as well. I think you could use a few more tho other than those two skills. And on of those skills, crystal shards isn't a instant damage till you get the instant cast proc. I don't play a sorc but I don't see them using anything else really when it comes to instant damage or good dots. sorcs class could do with a revamp I think. specially with a whole class skill line for summoning which COMPLETELY sucks.. steak tho, still needed a nerf. Maybe not the nerf it has now. But I don't think it should be used the way it is used now in combat. Sorcs teleport through a group of enemies and stun people and other people finish them off. in a 1v1 they just tele around the target smashing them with ranged abilities. This would be incredibly one-sided fight if the sorc is fighting a melee based opponent.

Not that I meant to compare streak as a direct instant damage spell, altho it was easy to missread what I wrote there, but it IS infact....a direct instant damage spell. We are talking about Streak, the morph that do dmg.

olsborg

There are quite a few spells for sorcs that are performing under what I consider "why even try".

Rune prison. It has a cast time, easy to break free.
Pets. Pets are stupid and run around without AI most of the time.
Mines. Damage is broken, doesnt take spell penetration into account.
Lightning splash. Damage is low, barely tickles people.
Lightning form. Duration is too short for the cost. The dmg is trivial, only thing slightly worth it is the speed morph, not worth a spot on bar tho.

All this is from a 1v1 (smallscale) point of view.

WRX

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXMhsaeMZ9I
Here is a video of playing near perfect as a sorc 1.5.7, yeah i do well, but i have to work way way harder to win fights compared to other classes. the average player will not have near perfect timing and positioning, not trying to boast. the current state of the class right now is really hurting them. go to cyrodiil and look around, how many sorcerers do you see, i can almost count them on my hand. i bet most quit or re-rolled to dk to be competitive. just my two cents.

Tonight I just finished a group with myself and 6 sorcs. I played horrible, but it was a dream come true none the less.

Spangla

Is this thread a troll? Sorc is beast in pvp

Xiphyla

I lol-ed pretty hard when people say sorc are underpowered. I'm sure this thread is a troll.

olsborg

woodsro wrote: »

Bolt Escape was nerfed before the meta game matured, BE has plenty of viable counters now, the nerf is out dated and antiquated...

I wholeheartedly agree.
The forced combat magicka regen for 4 seconds after cast regardless of being in combat or not is fine. The increased cost after cast really punish you while you are in combat tho, specially since sorcs are already lacking class skills that has direct instant damage.

Vizier

The notion that sorcs are underpowered and BE was fine the way it was is downright laughable. NOT drinking that Kool-Aid.

Farorin

All these Sorcs whinging. Sorcs are still crazy OP, just the other day I saw a Sorc being ganked by 6 other players including myself. The sorc destroyed two of us, before making an easy escape. Only to come back with reinforcements.

This is still a common occurrence for me, sorcs are still OP compared to NBs, and I see them shredding on the battlefield more often than not.

Spangla

Couldn't help but notice how easily any nb's went down:)

In fact the only class you seemed to have an issue with was sorcs?

Spangla

cool vid though